I would guess that @Withnail is Irish and has a specific interest in the issue, given the long history of Irish society being shaped by the church. In contrast, Islam is a minority religion in Ireland with a relatively small number of adherents and its influence on Irish society has been negligible. Add to that the huge number of Cafe posters from Ireland and I’m sure you can understand the occasional emphasis on the role of the Catholic Church in Ireland on this forum.
You have full posting rights in here. Knock yourself out.
I called moron to the guy in the video, besides that, I didn't insult the poster at all
It's because the guy in the video is a grifter, if the poster actually wanted a genuine conversation regarding his 'concerns' he would speak to Muslims. But even then I would be very surprised if he will ever change his mind. The people he follows and posts says a lot, so it's better leave him be and let him rant.
Never had an interaction with him about religion, so I wasn't aware. It was surprising that this ball of BS posted was considered interesting in any way
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Couldn't have put it better myself. Thanks
Sounds like Reichelt is the problem here, not Rüdiger.
Of course she is the problem. Commenting very dangerous comments about something that she has zero knowledge about.
Religion is obviously relevant in the present because the majority of people believe in some God, and some of these people have positions of power and make decisions that have an impact in our lives. And of course, some of the people who believe in God are ready to die or to kill for their religion. This is true in most countries, from the US to UK to Saudi Arabia.
Do you mean the majority of the global population believe in 'some god'
I think globally there are certainly more religious than non religious folk.
I'm skeptical of the accuracy if that source, given they have Norway at 80%+ Christian. It means they went with church membership instead of surveys. I'm sure most countries won't have that exact situation, but they might well have others that can't be adequately described by picking the first and most surface level number.
I agree, doing a world wide estimate is difficult. I resigned my membership of christianity in denmark. But apart from that you have cultural christians, muslims etc vs practicing religious members vs not practicing but still sort of believing in it.. The nordic countries in general must be high on the list of the most secular countries when push comes to shove.
Interesting thank you. This is a pretty broad brush assessment though and from what I read seems to me to be an overestimate of the true figure. And associating yourself with a religion isn't really the same as believing in some kind of god.
This, as well as the fact that religion is waning in the developed world. For instance, Christianity, the world's most practiced relgion, is in steep decline in "the west". In the US it is dropping pretty quickly and its already pretty low in Europe, which should come as no suprise given that there appears to be a clear connection between people communicating across borders and accessibility of knowledge in the information age, with the decline of people accepting religion. Islam still appears to be rising given the amount poverty and population growth in the middle east and parts of Asia, but that too will eventually subside once more people have access to information. The age gap issue is of course also a good indicator of where things are heading in a few decades. Once the olds who think religion is important die off, those replacing aren't very religious at all.
You make a very good point about the rise in accessibility of knowledge and information and the consequent decline in Christianity.This, as well as the fact that religion is waning in the developed world. For instance, Christianity, the world's most practiced relgion, is in steep decline in "the west". In the US it is dropping pretty quickly and its already pretty low in Europe. This should come as no suprise given that there appears to be a clear connection between people communicating across borders and accessibility of knowledge in the information age, with the decline of people accepting religion. Islam still appears to be rising given the amount poverty and population growth in the middle east and parts of Asia, but that too will eventually subside once more people have access to information. The age gap issue is of course also a good indicator of where things are heading in a few decades. Once the olds who think religion is important die off, those replacing aren't very religious at all.
Religion is not limited to associating yourself to believe in some kind of god.
Not in the Middle East! Dubai, Saudi etc
From what I've seen Algeria and Jordan have seen a small percentage of people saying they're more religious over the past decade. The rest are slightly down as less religous. No stats on Saudi, but of course living in a full on theocracy is always going to skew things a bit.
It'd be similar in Ireland where the Church don't let you officially leave. Once you're confirmed at 12, which is too young in my view, they count you as Catholic. Also on the census many people put down Catholic/Christian even if they aren't practising. There's been a bit of a movement over the past few years to educate people that they shouldn't do this as it informs political decisions.
Oh I understand that. We all have to believe in something.
Agree with this.
Every village has a church but there are no services and there are dozens of villages and churches a few kms apart. People get married in the Mairie (or town/village hall or like a registry office in the UK), almost no christenings. There's one vicar who does a tour of all the churches in about a fifty km radius if there's a funeral for someone who is usually over 80. Our church, which is an impressive building, is used a few times a year for the local choir to give a concert or for the occasional funeral. If you want to go inside any church you ask for the key at the local Mairie.
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That’s hardly a major concession from Dawkins. I’m pretty sure I’ve heard him accept the notion of being culturally Christian, being perfectly happy with there being milestones marked through the church, etc.
Would be interesting to see the age demographics of people asked in these countries, especially in the Middle East where it's kind of known (assumed) the older you are the more religious.
I’m pretty sure older generations being more religious is the case in the Middle East and beyond. The only outlier I can think of is Indonesia where it looks like everyone is more religious.
