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That's actually a much more interesting and forward-thinking decision than I expected, the FAI clearly have the short-term goal of making sure Ireland play in Dublin at Euro 2020 but to have a quality young coach to work with the youth set up and then take over in a couple of years is great.
Looks like we were both right.
Strange they just didn't give it to Kenny now as was the obvious choice .
Seems typical of the Irish set up to do something as daft as this .
Not to mention we have now got two years of McCarthy who now knows no matter what he does he is out the door in two years time .
This just seems totally dumb
Seems typical of the Irish set up to do something as daft as this .
Not to mention we have now got two years of McCarthy who now knows no matter what he does he is out the door in two years time .
This just seems totally dumb
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There actually seems to be a plan there to have Kenny start planning things for the future, interesting alright
Well it's different anyway.
What happens if McCarthy has a brilliant Euro2020?
What happens if McCarthy has a brilliant Euro2020?
I doubt that will be an option to be fair
Delaney et al have pulled this out of their respective holes after the reaction to the McCarthy appointment, it's a strange one.
It’s potentially a really positive move, but it’s completely undermined by Kenny having to succeed a guy who (a) is a completely different type of manager in almost every way and (b) will know that short term results are all that he has to achieve, as he likely won’t see the benefits of any investment in the future. I’ll be really interested to see how cast iron this 2020 job offer to Kenny is.
Plus, all joking aside, what if Mick qualifies us and has a really good tournament? If Kenny got the job after that he could on a hiding to nothing.
All that said, anything which points to a change in approach from the FAI is to be welcomed. I’d just be worried that this approach will have the unintended consequence of making Kenny’s move into the senior job very difficult.
Plus, all joking aside, what if Mick qualifies us and has a really good tournament? If Kenny got the job after that he could on a hiding to nothing.
All that said, anything which points to a change in approach from the FAI is to be welcomed. I’d just be worried that this approach will have the unintended consequence of making Kenny’s move into the senior job very difficult.
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Undermine him by giving him the u21 job and oversight of the u15s to u19s????
They're setting him up to shape the future of Irish football. It's a huge vote of confidence really
They're setting him up to shape the future of Irish football. It's a huge vote of confidence really
If this is the idea, if, I hope he's extremely vocal about what sort of funding he gets for it. Should be properly funded.
100% agreed it is absolute typical bolloxology from the fAI. McCarthy has zero interest in developing a team or style of play and will stroll off with 2.5m in his pocket in two years and we will be no better off.
Meanwhile dump Kenny into a u21 set up where any half decent player always skips that level anyways. Not as if we are England or Germany where we have oceans of players to develop and actually play an entire campaign at u21 level anyways.
Horseshit as usual from the fAI sick of it
That's the big issue. Delaney wants to be able to boast about paying off the stadium when the dignitaries arrive in 2020. Cant see much changing in terms of funding.
It’s the move/overall plan that’s being undermined, not Stephen Kenny.
McCarthy is a good manager though. Solid short term choice. He deserves it after being screwed over the first time around when he'd done a good job.
I know the FAI has basically said we have decided Kenny is the best man for the job now so we will give it to him in two years time .
Makes no sense whatsoever
Ok. This is a bit better. Don't want Mick back but at least there is some semblance of a plan.
It's a nice plan in theory. Making it reality is certainly a different story. I'm reminded of the old LVG >>>Giggs plan
That's what iv been thinking as well. I'd love to know if McCarthy knew about this when he took the job .
Off course he will say he did now but somehow I doubt he did
We were shite in his second qualifying campaign
They feel Mick is a safer bet for 2020. He probably is really. He has a lot of experience and has already got Ireland to a world cup and done well in it. It clearly makes some sense
The Roy thing undermined him
That was his own choice and stubbornness that caused all that anyway have to live with the consequences of your actions and decisions
McCarthy had three goes at qualifying for a tournament. I can't see how one could say he was screwed over. He's being handsomely compensated this time around. Its a farce in that sense.
In McCarthy's second qualifying campaign?
Really looking forward to two years of chats about this. Again.
What about his 3rd then? That was a great achievement. They were a penalty away from the WC QFs.
Not to mention that we were only Mick's ability to count to 11 away from noticing Spain were down to 10 men.
Unfortunately something that sticks in my mind from that, along with Mendieta's feckin penalty. I wondered was I imagining it and checked it out yesterday when McCarthy was mooted. The Guardian's match tracker from then has this line...
"The Spanish are playing like they're down to ten men. Because they are down to ten men".
A huge what if for Irish soccer if someone on the sideline had spotted it and told us to push on.
It's fair to expect a few people on here will never forgive him over the Keane saga. I grew out of this and noted that we've been basically crap ever since he left.
Anyway I'm very interested to see what Kenny can put in place for the future. He has 2 years to start developing things in his image in preparation for taking over after euro 2020. Perhaps being able to lay some groundwork before taking over the big job will be an advantage.
Would've given the job straight away to Kenny.
Let's remember WC qualifying is much tougher than euros, just 12 or 13 places on offer compared to the 24 here.
This is similar to Norn Iron in 2011. Michael O'Neill was doing great with Shamrock and was given the job there and then. Had a rocky 18 months but clear improvement afterwards.
ROI have very few top class premier league players so don't see Mick doing much, very much a stick with solid old pros type of manager.
In his 2002 squad he had exciting youngsters called Shay Given, Richard Dunne, Robbie Keane and Damien Duff and then excellent old pros like Staunton, Gary Kelly, Kinsella, Matt Holland and Niall Quinn. Roy Keane obviously should've been in that group aswell.
Miles better squad than what he'll have next two years.
Let's remember WC qualifying is much tougher than euros, just 12 or 13 places on offer compared to the 24 here.
This is similar to Norn Iron in 2011. Michael O'Neill was doing great with Shamrock and was given the job there and then. Had a rocky 18 months but clear improvement afterwards.
ROI have very few top class premier league players so don't see Mick doing much, very much a stick with solid old pros type of manager.
In his 2002 squad he had exciting youngsters called Shay Given, Richard Dunne, Robbie Keane and Damien Duff and then excellent old pros like Staunton, Gary Kelly, Kinsella, Matt Holland and Niall Quinn. Roy Keane obviously should've been in that group aswell.
Miles better squad than what he'll have next two years.
I'm not expecting pep standard.
But Norn Iron, where I'm from, where playing decent football and getting serious wins, and some big scalps playing with inferior players imo, so sorry for having a view they could maybe adapt a different outlook than the same crap that has been there for i don't know how long.
You can drill a team well enough with standard players to play to a system where they at least aren't scared of the ball. It is possible. It's not like we are doing much anyway with the stuff O'Neill was serving.
Most of international football is about being solid and over 50% of goals are scored from set pieces aren't they? It was a formula that got ROI to two euros and WC play offs. Squad is weaker than last few years with some of the seniors retiring.
Even the best play defensive style, look at last two tournament winners. Portugal obviously and France get criticized on here for just sitting back and playing on counter attack in the World cup. These international teams have some of the best players in the world playing for them.
Even the best play defensive style, look at last two tournament winners. Portugal obviously and France get criticized on here for just sitting back and playing on counter attack in the World cup. These international teams have some of the best players in the world playing for them.
One of the things that doesn’t sit right is they haven’t given Kenny the job straight away, so they obviously feel he’s lacking in something, whether it’s experience or otherwise. Yet, by apparently guaranteeing him the job in two years, they’re taking it as read that he’ll have covered those shortfalls by that time.
If they have so much faith in him doing that, why not make a real show of faith and allow him to reshape the senior national side without hoping that the stop gap, safe pair of hands manager who was in the job for two years before him will have left something behind for him to work with, both in terms of young players and also the footballing culture. I sort of feel that a lot of the constituent elements of this make perfect sense, but the overall plan seems fraught with risk for all involved.
If they have so much faith in him doing that, why not make a real show of faith and allow him to reshape the senior national side without hoping that the stop gap, safe pair of hands manager who was in the job for two years before him will have left something behind for him to work with, both in terms of young players and also the footballing culture. I sort of feel that a lot of the constituent elements of this make perfect sense, but the overall plan seems fraught with risk for all involved.
Yeah. Weird feelings of football. Was everyone on the same page on this the whole way through? Why did it not all come out together? You just assume that the lads are making it up as they go on. BUT. Noel Fecking King to Stephen Kenny should in itself be enough to put us all in good form for the foreseeable future. The best of luck to one and all. Get me back to the Aviva, Mick. That's your challenge right there.
Seconded. I think Delaney has got it right for once in his life. It's the finer details in International football that Kenny just doesn't have that Mick can offer. Kenny will be present at many training sessions to see how Mick prepares the boys. He will be present in the dressing at half time at some big games to see how Mick motivates the players and to learn his tactical set ups against different opposition. All invaluable things to learn that will help him tenfold when he takes over. You look at Kerr and wonder could he have been a lot better had he been a No.2 for a decent International manager for a couple of years as opposed to been thrown in at the deep end without the experience of the finer details at professional International level.
In the meantime playing under Mick will be a bigger draw for English born players as opposed to untested Kenny so hopefully Mick can unearth a few gems that he can develop and pass on to the next bloke in 2 years time
Exactly. Why not give him 2 years to mould a squad in his own vision of playing then only start measuring him against success the following campaign,
We will be third seeds in pot for 2022 World Cup qualifying so he will have a tough job even getting into the playoffs
Absolute pish to be honest. McCarthy is a mid table championship manager FfS
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