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Three different clubs have spent £75m, £70m and £98m on him. Just mind blowing.
Exactly, he's no Benzema or Lewa but he isn't that bad as some people think.Lukaku is still a very good striker, just below the world-class level, depending on his form he either convinces people he is world class or he’s useless but it’s neither. 68 goals for Belgium shows his quality and despite a weaker Serie A, you cannot dismiss 47 goals in just two league seasons. Tuchel has decided he doesn’t suit him and Lukaku’s confidence is low, don’t be surprised to see him do well for someone else.
We paid 80m for Harry we could have bought Lukaku all these 3 times and I wouldn't be surprised.Three different clubs have spent £75m, £70m and £98m on him. Just mind blowing.
Of course, because he it doesn't show at the moment doesn't mean its not the case.You think Lukaku is one of the best players in the prem at the moment?
ManUtd signed him after he had his best seasons -> Ended up as mixed bag and last season was hilariously bad.Three different clubs have spent £75m, £70m and £98m on him. Just mind blowing.
Absolutely. I am always surprised how many expect him to play as a target man for a dominant side. He never was suited to a role like Benzema or Lewandowski play, it's just what people assume when they look at him. His skills (that he definitely has) in a weird way just don't really fit his body .
Exactly, he's no Benzema or Lewa but he isn't that bad as some people think.
I mean he scored goals everywhere he went and he has a combination of unique qualities: speed, power, heading and finishing. He can certainly do better into a different system that would suit him, Tuchel is trying hard to make him look bad. Even this season he scored once in 3 games, which is his worst year for a long time.
I think the key underlying reason is that he's nowhere close to being as talented as the most talented players in the league.Of course, because he it doesn't show at the moment doesn't mean its not the case.
There are underlying reasons which isn't his fault.
His record in Serie A and Everton and the Belgium national team suggest otherwise.I think the key underlying reason is that he's nowhere close to being as talented as the most talented players in the league.
His record at Everton, ManUtd, Inter is almost same. Only difference is he took penalties at Inter.His record in Serie A and Everton and the Belgium national team suggest otherwise.
You don't see the movement, the finish, the hand pointing!!
Mins | Goals | Assists | Penalties | NP goals | Mins per NP goal | Mins per NPG +A | |
Everton | 11880 | 68 | 26 | 4 | 64 | 186 | 132 |
ManUtd | 4999 | 28 | 8 | 0 | 28 | 179 | 139 |
West Brom | 2002 | 17 | 7 | 2 | 15 | 133 | 91 |
Chelsea | 1491 | 5 | 2 | 0 | 5 | 298 | 213 |
Inter | 5871 | 47 | 12 | 12 | 35 | 168 | 125 |
You brought out the statsHis record at Everton, ManUtd, Inter is almost same. Only difference is he took penalties at Inter.
Mins Goals Assists Penalties NP goals Mins per NP goal Mins per NPG +A Everton 11880 68 26 4 64 186 132 ManUtd 4999 28 8 0 28 179 139 West Brom 2002 17 7 2 15 133 91 Chelsea 1491 5 2 0 5 298 213 Inter 5871 47 12 12 35 168 125
IIRC his record wasn't even the best in Serie A, Immobile, Luis Muriel, Duvan Zapata had better record (might be wrong, have to check it again).
Overall he was good for Inter, no doubt about it. But all the talk of "new Lukaku" was always hilarious.
Sorry for that.You brought out the stats
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Yeah I remember that stretch actually - think that also coincided with him playing on the right semi-regularly for Belgium if I recall correctly? Tuchel tried something similar playing him as an inside right in our 3-4-2-1 a couple of times - the problem is he doesn't press at all and that caused us problems when defending. Mount is far more effective in that position both on and off the ball for the way Tuchel wants to play.In the first part of his second season with us Jose was in an uncharacteristically experimental mood and tried out various formations, presumably the main purpose being trying to work out how to get the best out of Lukaku.
We played a few games with him on the right of Martial in a two-up-front and it worked surprisingly well. I particularly remember it in a CL group game in Moscow, which we won 4-1 with Lukaku scoring twice and us playing some really nice football.
Of course it didn’t last. Jose being Jose angled for (and got) a contract extension and payrise soon afterwards and resorted to the dullest 4-2-3-1 imaginable. The signing of Alexis, CL knockout exit to Sevilla and cup final defeat to your lot completely killed the cautious optimism I was feeling earlier on.
Yeah even in a non-pressing Jose team where attackers were expected to do a lot of defensive work, Lukaku did sod all. Which made Jose's supposed love for him all the stranger. I can't help feeling that he loved what he thought Lukaku ought to be, rather than what he actually is. That would explain his bizarre attempt to turn him into a Drogba-like target man in his (Jose's) ill-fated third season.Yeah I remember that stretch actually - think that also coincided with him playing on the right semi-regularly for Belgium if I recall correctly? Tuchel tried something similar playing him as an inside right in our 3-4-2-1 a couple of times - the problem is he doesn't press at all and that caused us problems when defending. Mount is far more effective in that position both on and off the ball for the way Tuchel wants to play.
The lack of press or really the lack of any involvement on and off the ball was very clearly harming the team and that would have been the case whether he ended up being a 25 goals guy for us or the version we have now. The best version of this team is built on energy, intensity, high press etc and Lukaku not only contributes to none of those things, he was actively reducing the levels of them with his presence.Yeah I remember that stretch actually - think that also coincided with him playing on the right semi-regularly for Belgium if I recall correctly? Tuchel tried something similar playing him as an inside right in our 3-4-2-1 a couple of times - the problem is he doesn't press at all and that caused us problems when defending. Mount is far more effective in that position both on and off the ball for the way Tuchel wants to play.
In a perverse way it's probably better he's flopped like this instead of scoring but holding us back systematically.The lack of press or really the lack of any involvement on and off the ball was very clearly harming the team and that would have been the case whether he ended up being a 25 goals guy for us or the version we have now. The best version of this team is built on energy, intensity, high press etc and Lukaku not only contributes to none of those things, he was actively reducing the levels of them with his presence.
The only thing that could have kept him in the team was banging the goals in and even then I would have advocated for benching him because he's making the players around him worse and he makes the team very pedestrian and one dimensional, but at least in that scenario he could say he has done what he was brought here to do.
Unfortunately, that ship has sailed no conte there any more to huddle up all united rejected.Still can't believe we pulled that prank on someone.
Could we bring back Ole just for a day so he could sell Maguire to some schmucks in Italy again?
Jesus those numbers are very damning.His record at Everton, ManUtd, Inter is almost same. Only difference is he took penalties at Inter.
Mins Goals Assists Penalties NP goals Mins per NP goal Mins per NPG +A Everton 11880 68 26 4 64 186 132 ManUtd 4999 28 8 0 28 179 139 West Brom 2002 17 7 2 15 133 91 Chelsea 1491 5 2 0 5 298 213 Inter 5871 47 12 12 35 168 125
IIRC his record wasn't even the best in Serie A, Immobile, Luis Muriel, Duvan Zapata had better record (might be wrong, have to check it again).
Overall he was good for Inter, no doubt about it. But all the talk of "new Lukaku" was always hilarious.
Yeah it could be viewed as a blessing in disguise.In a perverse way it's probably better he's flopped like this instead of scoring but holding us back systematically.
If he was scoring 20 plus goals he'll play every minute of every game no matter how much he was holding us back systematically.
He was a bad fit for the system. He has skills and definitely has deficits. I wish him luck at his next team.If your fans have supported him harder, he wouldn’t flop worse than a busted flush, right?
Tbf the silver lining for you guys is you are exceptional at magicking up buyers for your unwanted players, so while you will make a loss on him at least it won’t be anywhere near the debacle we currently have with our Lukaku of defenders.He was a bad fit for the system. He has skills and definitely has deficits. I wish him luck at his next team.
very true!His record in Serie A and Everton and the Belgium national team suggest otherwise.
You don't see the movement, the finish, the hand pointing!!
Yeah christ the way people big up his finishing you'd think he was Van Persie in his prime. Lukaku has pulled an unbelievable Houdini act convincing the world he's a top striker for years now when in reality he's in a similar tier to Immobile. He's not really a target man as his hold up play is generally bad, but he's also not a playmaking forward that can play out wide either. Basically he's a striker that firmly fits into a certain level and is good there, but any level above his and he'll look out of place and be a detriment to his team.The finishing is massively over cooked with him, either people see the goals scored and think top finisher and haven't actually watched the sort of chances he misses game to game
Yeah christ the way people big up his finishing you'd think he was Van Persie in his prime. Lukaku has pulled an unbelievable Houdini act convincing the world he's a top striker for years now when in reality he's in a similar tier to Immobile. He's not really a target man as his hold up play is generally bad, but he's also not a playmaking forward that can play out wide either. Basically he's a striker that firmly fits into a certain level and is good there, but any level above his and he'll look out of place and be a detriment to his team.
Jose is certainly nothing if not hard-headed - and given his struggles to relate to modern players plus what we know about Lukaku, that mix in retrospect is especially disastrous.Yeah even in a non-pressing Jose team where attackers were expected to do a lot of defensive work, Lukaku did sod all. Which made Jose's supposed love for him all the stranger. I can't help feeling that he loved what he thought Lukaku ought to be, rather than what he actually is. That would explain his bizarre attempt to turn him into a Drogba-like target man in his (Jose's) ill-fated third season.
The priority has to be a wide forward who can score - would love Ousmane Dembele personally.The lack of press or really the lack of any involvement on and off the ball was very clearly harming the team and that would have been the case whether he ended up being a 25 goals guy for us or the version we have now. The best version of this team is built on energy, intensity, high press etc and Lukaku not only contributes to none of those things, he was actively reducing the levels of them with his presence.
The only thing that could have kept him in the team was banging the goals in and even then I would have advocated for benching him because he's making the players around him worse and he makes the team very pedestrian and one dimensional, but at least in that scenario he could say he has done what he was brought here to do.
Agree. It can be truly awful. Not the quality of a world class striker at allHis finishing is shocking game to game. Why it's insane it brought up a quality he has.
And what did those players do at their clubs? Both Chiellini and Bonucci have been in decline for years now, Chiesa just came on the scene 2 years ago. Jorginho has been good at Chelsea while Veratti is the Italian Pogba enjoying his 10 year vacation in Paris.Yeah, but Greece didn't have players like Chiellini, Bonucci, Jorginho, Verratti, Chiesa etc...
Mate, he's dogshitLukaku is one of the best players at the moment, football is about putting the ball in the back of the net and there are only a few who can match him in this regard, the problem are his teammates not knowing roles, he is the 9 and that means he should be supplied, they sabotage him preferring Havertz because Havertz allow them share the goal scoring glory.
I think he'd be perfect at a club like Atletico Madrid. They do have previous for buying Chelsea striker flops, but genuinely in a low block system focused on counters he could be excellent.
I always wonder how outdated punditry and basic analysts are when they talk about how great a finisher someone is just because they have a good goal tally. If you're scoring nothing but tap ins I don't consider you a great finisher, although you might be excellent finding space in the box.Agree. It can be truly awful. Not the quality of a world class striker at all