I was with 2 Wolves STH last night who swore blind the board would be snapping clubs hands off for £45m+ so they could their window moving. No idea where the fee above of £85m has come from. 
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He's far from average.
The Wolves manager was saying he was worth a 100m.I was with 2 Wolves STH last night who swore blind the board would be snapping clubs hands off for £45m+ so they could their window moving. No idea where the fee above of £85m has come from.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/60973787
Even worse there was Wolves fans on here thinking Kilman was worth 60m.
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Pretty sure they quoted 65m as a starting point for clubs.I was with 2 Wolves STH last night who swore blind the board would be snapping clubs hands off for £45m+ so they could their window moving. No idea where the fee above of £85m has come from.
My Wolves supporting mate said things look pretty sure at the moment, no investment from owners and no new signings coming in. I think they may be fecked.The Wolves manager was saying he was worth a 100m.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/60973787
Even worse their was Wolves fans on here think Kilman was worth 60m.
Yeah he's chatting nonsense. Two years left on his deal & Fosun have been tightening their budget last couple of years, only 2 years left on his deal, if a club gets anywhere north of £40m he's gone. Heck he was available for less than that last year.The Wolves manager was saying he was worth a 100m.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/60973787
Even worse there was Wolves fans on here thinking Kilman was worth 60m.
no chance, with some of the player prices this year, 50m easily, even if he is 40m we would have to spend money on defense and a box to box player who can pass
Not mobile enough for how ETH will want our midfield to play.
He can setup with Neves, but would need a better mobile defender and box to box passer
I think he could compliment De Jong quite well. The reality is, regardless of who partners him, De Jong is going to be the busier player in terms of picking the ball up from the defence and distributing and also in terms of joining the attack.
So I think his midfield partner will end up being a bit of an unsung player who may appear a bit anonymous at times but will play an important role in their own right.
When De Jong drops deep to pick up the ball from the defence I would expect his partner to largely vacate that space rather than come short and condense things. I read somewhere that Neves had been asked to do this at Wolves this season to allow the defence to bring the ball out more often.
In possession, with De Jong joining in high up the pitch I would expect his partner to be a bit deeper, backing up play and screening any potential transitions to keep the opposition pinned in their own half.
Therefore, as I said, I think this player may go largely unnoticed with De Jong having far more touches but will nevertheless be an important cog in the team.
Ideally we would have a partner for De Jong that has the positional awareness and tactical discipline to perform the above actions whilst also complimenting De Jong’s physical and technical attributes.
For example, it may be that we opt for a player that is physically imposing to compensate for De Jong’s slight frame and also give us a bit more presence at set pieces. Alternatively it could be a player that brings an expansive passing range, dead ball specialist or has a decent shot from long range to add variety to our attacking threat.
I think in terms of physicality McTominay could actually be a good partner for De Jong if he is coached to play that role but having Neves would also give us a player that can spray the ball about from the centre of the park and also give us that long range threat.
So I think his midfield partner will end up being a bit of an unsung player who may appear a bit anonymous at times but will play an important role in their own right.
When De Jong drops deep to pick up the ball from the defence I would expect his partner to largely vacate that space rather than come short and condense things. I read somewhere that Neves had been asked to do this at Wolves this season to allow the defence to bring the ball out more often.
In possession, with De Jong joining in high up the pitch I would expect his partner to be a bit deeper, backing up play and screening any potential transitions to keep the opposition pinned in their own half.
Therefore, as I said, I think this player may go largely unnoticed with De Jong having far more touches but will nevertheless be an important cog in the team.
Ideally we would have a partner for De Jong that has the positional awareness and tactical discipline to perform the above actions whilst also complimenting De Jong’s physical and technical attributes.
For example, it may be that we opt for a player that is physically imposing to compensate for De Jong’s slight frame and also give us a bit more presence at set pieces. Alternatively it could be a player that brings an expansive passing range, dead ball specialist or has a decent shot from long range to add variety to our attacking threat.
I think in terms of physicality McTominay could actually be a good partner for De Jong if he is coached to play that role but having Neves would also give us a player that can spray the ball about from the centre of the park and also give us that long range threat.
The prices that are being quoted are to steep for the quality that he offers in my opinion.
Would rather look elsewhere.
Would rather look elsewhere.
We should have went for Neves in the first place instead of wasting our time with de jong
Average as they get.
Going after the far lesser player from the get go isn’t exactly a great strategy.
However there is a time to pull the plug and start looking at the alternatives.
They want 85m for him
I saw one twitter journalist a week ago say that part of the Ronaldo upheaval was fuelled by Mendes who is upset with the club not trying to get any of his players — Neves was cited as an example of one of the players he felt was realistic for us.
I doubt Mendes can persuade or make Ronaldo change his mind (I think he’s always wanted out since January) but if Mendes was aggrieved with us, he would definitely be helping by approaching clubs like Bayern, Chelsea, Barcelona etc…
I doubt Mendes can persuade or make Ronaldo change his mind (I think he’s always wanted out since January) but if Mendes was aggrieved with us, he would definitely be helping by approaching clubs like Bayern, Chelsea, Barcelona etc…
A few have called that figure out for being nonsense. £50m would get him, surely.
He's probably worth a similar amount to Phillips but it we go knocking at Wolves they'll ask for £65 million.
With players like raphinha going 60, and them not needing to sell. Can see us getting done for 60-70 easily. Plus you definitely can’t play Fred with him, so you would need a tielemans or similar
Time to jump on this train instead, however will be similar fee as Wolves know we are desperate
We should sign him regardless of whether FDJ is coming or not. We need depth in midfield.
Surprised neves is still at wolves to be honest. He’d be perfect for arsenal. Don’t think we’re going to go for him. Seems like we only ever have 1 plan and stick with it. Maybe we should start leaking out interest in other players to push the de Jong move forward. Surely Barca won’t want to lose out on more income.
I think he would do well here. If we are pushing up from the back then there’s less distance for our midfielders to cover so he could really shine with his short, intense sprints.
Should have been the first target chased. Would be much further along by now and would have been in a stronger negotiating position. If we come back to this after getting jilted by De Jong, we're going to have our pants pulled down. Minimum £70m is what they will ask for. When people like Richarlison are going for £60m+ and Ake who barely plays is commanding £50m. This club man. Sigh.
Rather see James Garner given a chance, Neves isn’t anything great, let alone for some of the fees being quoted. I used to be excited about names and potential transfers in the SAF era, and with each passing year I care less and less. All these transfers got us nowhere, how many were a success, 15%? Players who can make a real difference or are a special talent are one thing, Neves just ain’t one, he isn’t a DM which we are lacking neither.
Who says that with proper coaching and a system in place our youngsters wouldn’t be able to contribute as much as a 40-50 million Neves? Why not give them the chance first?
Who says that with proper coaching and a system in place our youngsters wouldn’t be able to contribute as much as a 40-50 million Neves? Why not give them the chance first?
PL proven, good technique but limited mobility which however can useful alongside a high energy player like Fred. For what its worth him and Ward-Prowse could elevate our midfield. Which other club is fielding a €80m and €400k/wk midfielder? Look at how Madrid have built up their midfield, taking advantage of their name and prestige to pick up valuable players on the way up. We should do the same, avoid taking players from the likes of Bayern, Juve, Barce etc it never ends well.
Feck him. He’s a Mendes client. After what he and Ronaldo have done we shouldn’t touch his players.
Yeah think it's time to try that tactic
If take Neves & Moutinho. He may be 35, but he’s rarely injured, and is solid as every game.
PL experienced
If Frenkie isnt signing, I can assume he wil be
Both should be signed asap
Yeah certainly will go all in, just need a proper DM good on the ball alongside him
I do think Neves is a very underrated player, sure he has his weaknesses like most others (primarily mobility), but as a DM/DLP in a holding role with Fred (or even McT) next to him I think he would upgrade us a lot.
One thing is that he would upgrade us in terms of his individual capabilities but another thing is that I also think he would make both Fred and McT play better when playing next to him. He would enable both of them to play in their preferred roles as box-to-box and ball winning midfielders.
I do believe that a DM is the most important for us this summer, and even with FDJ we would still need a capable DM.
Even if he might not turn out to be a Rodri or a Fabinho he will definitely be a better squad player in the future than what we have (no one..).
One thing is that he would upgrade us in terms of his individual capabilities but another thing is that I also think he would make both Fred and McT play better when playing next to him. He would enable both of them to play in their preferred roles as box-to-box and ball winning midfielders.
I do believe that a DM is the most important for us this summer, and even with FDJ we would still need a capable DM.
Even if he might not turn out to be a Rodri or a Fabinho he will definitely be a better squad player in the future than what we have (no one..).
Yeah summed it up very nicely
Moutinho is a player we should have snapped up back when he was in his prime at Porto. Even back then we so weirdly reluctant to sign midfielders, I still can't believe we just let Dembele go to Spurs either. But at least we had Carrick I guess.
Was only interested when the price was supposed to be around 30-40m, he is a profile we don't have in the squad, but I'm not sure his ceiling is worth spending any more than that on him.
I agree. With all the "alternatives" for FDJ, the price is obviously a factor. Surely we shouldn't let us get exploited by buying stupid prices, if the right player for the right price isn't available at all, then stop-gap solutions have to be thought of.
That being said, I like Neves as well. Obviously would require another player coming in that midfield, but I think, that applies to any option anyway as there is no combination of a great progressor and defensive midfielder available right now. Apart from maybe Casemiro or Kimmich.
We really missed a few tricks, should have gone for Fabinho, Camavinga or Tchouameni. At least the first one would have been available I guess at a reasonable price...Now we are paying the price for sitting on our hands back then.
What makes it worse is that Fabinho was a Utd fan who made it quite obvious that he wanted to come here, only for Mourinho to sign Matic instead. 12 months later he joined Liverpool and the rest was history.
I think we probably were interested in Camavinga and Tchouameni, we've followed the latter since his Bordeaux days. I think the issue is they both wanted Real and we've not found any unknown quantities with the same profile since - which is the real surprise for me.
I agree as well on your assessment of neves, I do like him too but because of him being one half of the the full package, his price very much comes into play. I'd rather give Garner a go and buy a more defensive minded midfielder.
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