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Let’s not kid ourselves here. Fred looks good because the rest of the squad has been underwhelming. In terms of quality, he is easily replaceable via some good transfers.
 

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I think the mobility thing kind of depends on what the plan is and who else we buy. We have to presume we're going to move towards a more energetic style. But I don't think that means every player in the side needs to be the quickest player around, certain positions have less emphasis on that quality. You don't exactly see Modric or Kroos legging it around.

He should have the positional nouse to give himself the run on opposition counters. We don't need him bombing into the opposition box too often. Ultimately it shouldn't be all that frequent that a midfielder like him is completely exposed IF we get our structure right and he understands his job. His job really is to improve our buildup, work hard, occasionally offer a long shot threat.

It's hard to get every quality in one package, Neves can give a lot in lifting our passing level, but yes you can get a more all round option, probably. They come with their own risks like relatively unproven, or maybe their technical level isn't as good.

I guess the worry is we also have Maguire. Maybe that's a bit too much of a recovery problem down the spine. If it wasn't for that I wouldn't be worried at all.
United need to stop signing players that have glaringly obvious issues, whether it is technical deficiencies (lukaku, wan bissaka, dan james, fellaini) or physical (mata, matic, schweinsteiger, maguire, ronaldo, blind, falcao). Neves would be another one. Every time we do this fans on here convince themselves that it will be fine once the player gets here, and it seems after all those flops some still haven't learned.
 

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Utd have been overpaying for so long that teams just double the asking price and expect Utd to pay. It brings too much pressure on the player when you sign them for huge fees. I would prefer Utd pick up a few bargains rather than spluging the whole transfer kitty on one player in the hope he transforms the team.
 

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Not sure if we are in for Neves or Phillips but if we do are and thats ten hag’s choice then we can safely assume he is looking for a midfielder who is abit deep and defensive, kind of a DLP who can switch the ball around and stretch the play.

The common denominator between neves and phillips is that both are comfortable in possession, both have excellent range and are accurate in their passing, both sit infront of defenders, pick up the ball from deep and can break the lines. It makes sense if you know how ETH likes to play. With wingers positioned wide and stretching the pitch he wants his midfielders to pick them and create a one on one situation or overload with a charging RB/lb. Having said that I would be happy with either of the two.
 
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Not sure if we are in for Neves or Phillips but if we do are and thats ten hag’s choice then we can safely assume he is looking for a midfielder who is abit deep and defensive, kind of a DLP who can switch the ball around and stretch the play.

The common denominator between neves and rice is that both are comfortable in possession, both have excellent range and accurate in their passing, both sit infront of defenders, pick up the ball from deep and can break the lines. It makes sense if you know how ETH likes to play. With wingers positioned wide and stretching the pitch he wants his midfielders to pick them and create a one on one situation or overload with a charging RB/lb. Having said that I would be happy with either of the two.
I didn't know Rice was good at this. Neves is extremely immobile so would be at a disadvantage in this comparison if Rice can do that too.
 

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I didn't know Rice was good at this. Neves is extremely immobile so would be at a disadvantage in this comparison if Rice can do that too.
Sorry my bad, I meant Phillips not Rice. Don’t know how I fecked it up :nervous:. But I agree with your assertion regarding Neves that he is not as agile you would like your midfielder to be. As of Rice, he is way too expensive but abit more solid and disciplined than both above. I rate him highly.
 

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If available for 40mill I’d have him in a heartbeat, bring in Rice and you have a quality midfield 2
 

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Wolves manager rates him at £100 million :houllier:
These clubs see United coming a mile off. Moyes said the same about Rice last summer and is now saying he's a £150m player. Ludicrous.

I wouldn't want Neves for even half that price, to be honest. I hope we can get a bit creative with our recruitment, we've been all too happy to drop £50m+ on average 'Premier League proven' players in the last few years. Let's look a bit further afield - the players are out there, we just need to find them!
 

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Let’s not kid ourselves here. Fred looks good because the rest of the squad has been underwhelming. In terms of quality, he is easily replaceable via some good transfers.
Nope, that’s harsh on Fred. He looked better because he been played further forward in his natural no.8 position. He isn’t and never was a no.6. Same can be said about McTominay but I think Fred is a better player than Scott. I can see Fred being our POTY
 

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Utd have been overpaying for so long that teams just double the asking price and expect Utd to pay. It brings too much pressure on the player when you sign them for huge fees. I would prefer Utd pick up a few bargains rather than spluging the whole transfer kitty on one player in the hope he transforms the team.
Yeah players with big price tags seem to get weighed down by them when they come here, therefore think we do need to look at some shrewd deals such as Kamara who will be a free agent in the summer
 

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Let’s not kid ourselves here. Fred looks good because the rest of the squad has been underwhelming. In terms of quality, he is easily replaceable via some good transfers.
yeah what a nonsense, imagine being the only midfielder doing defending and attacking on your own pretty much. He's looking very good despite that, he's carrying the midfield at the moment. And he's been doing that for years.. only now it's very obvious because of several players out of form and overal team being in deep shite.
 

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Tell them Liverpool are after him and see the price drop down to £20m paid over 15 years. Cnuts. Always hated Wolves.
Last i heard dippers weren't spunking 80m on maguire. We've set a bad precedent at being ripped off.
 

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Evening News says Wolves are inviting a bid for Neves. Aye. Because they have placed silly money on the head of a good but not great player. Lage has suggested he is worth £100m. From what i have seen he is worth no more than half that
 

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United need to stop signing players that have glaringly obvious issues, whether it is technical deficiencies (lukaku, wan bissaka, dan james, fellaini) or physical (mata, matic, schweinsteiger, maguire, ronaldo, blind, falcao). Neves would be another one. Every time we do this fans on here convince themselves that it will be fine once the player gets here, and it seems after all those flops some still haven't learned.
I think I see the argument you're trying to make, but when we signed Mata, Matic, and Blind, they didn't have any "physical deficiencies". Mata was short, is that what you mean? He and Matic were brilliant when we first got them. Blind was not good enough at the time but I think he'd romp whatever position he tried to get in our team today. Schweini was old, is that what you mean? Falcao was a flop here, true, but was worth the gamble. Maguire should be put in the technical deficiencies bracket. He's physically strong just has the skills of a statue. I don't think anyone was under the impression LuDonkeyU, AWB, James, or Fellaini were somehow rippers hiding their talents. No, I think we all knew exactly what we were getting. James had the potential to maybe build on his game, but didn't happen. Fellaini was the act of a desperate manager who was told he was getting Fabregas, Bale, and Ronaldo in the same window, and got nobody.

tl; dr Ruben Neves would walk into this side.
 

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We'd need an athlete next to him for this to make any sense. Not sure he'd do well with this much space to cover, though if we play a 4-2-3-1 like 2018 Ajax instead of the lopsided formation Ajax now play it could work. And Fred-Neves would probably be actually sort of competent together as a discount Kante-Jorginho style partnership.
 

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We'd need an athlete next to him for this to make any sense. Not sure he'd do well with this much space to cover, though if we play a 4-2-3-1 like 2018 Ajax instead of the lopsided formation Ajax now play it could work. And Fred-Neves would probably be actually sort of competent together as a discount Kante-Jorginho style partnership.
Considering that Kante consists the 80% of that partnership, we are fecked if we rely on Fred.
 

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I think I see the argument you're trying to make, but when we signed Mata, Matic, and Blind, they didn't have any "physical deficiencies". Mata was short, is that what you mean? He and Matic were brilliant when we first got them. Blind was not good enough at the time but I think he'd romp whatever position he tried to get in our team today. Schweini was old, is that what you mean? Falcao was a flop here, true, but was worth the gamble. Maguire should be put in the technical deficiencies bracket. He's physically strong just has the skills of a statue.
Mourinho got rid of Mata in favour of Oscar due to the brazilian being the much better athlete who could do more defensively, and he was proven right. Mata has always been a square peg at united due to his physical limitations. Matic was already in decline by the time we signed him, his legs were clearly going. Schweinsteiger was struggling with fitness issues before we signed him which should have been enough for the club to veto it. I also put Maguire in the physical deficiencies bracket as he is chronically slow on the turn and struggles with 1v1 defending. This was evident before we signed him but as always united fans convinced themselves that it would be fine once he got here. Neves would be history repeating itself, his chronic lack of mobility will be a problem, burying our heads in the sand about it won't make the problem go away.

I don't think anyone was under the impression LuDonkeyU, AWB, James, or Fellaini were somehow rippers hiding their talents. No, I think we all knew exactly what we were getting. James had the potential to maybe build on his game, but didn't happen. Fellaini was the act of a desperate manager who was told he was getting Fabregas, Bale, and Ronaldo in the same window, and got nobody.

tl; dr Ruben Neves would walk into this side.
The delusion was particularly strong with Lukaku, people were bending over backwards to convince themselves that his poor touch/link up play and work rate, and his poor record in big games wouldn't matter once he got here. Just as with many of the other signings I have listed there were enough red flags that should have seen the signing vetoed. We cannot continue making these expensive mistakes, our recruitment needs to be spot on moving forward.
 

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The number of people who know what Ten Hag wants increases every day.
 

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This link and any other can be filed under nonsense until ETH actually starts his job here. At the moment he is focused on winning Ajax the title which is very tight and he has alot to do, the squad is hitting its limit in terms of energy and pace in games.
 

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This link and any other can be filed under nonsense until ETH actually starts his job here. At the moment he is focused on winning Ajax the title which is very tight and he has alot to do, the squad is hitting its limit in terms of energy and pace in games.
I don't know what like for credibility United Muppetiers are, but they've been saying Ten Hag is involved just now, just not in the days leading up to ajax games

and they've been right on a few other things, but also said there was absolutely no chance of Mclaren so but if a mixed bag
 

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I don't know what like for credibility United Muppetiers are, but they've been saying Ten Hag is involved just now, just not in the days leading up to ajax games
Well its been widely reported hes been having zoom calls with United players already, so he is quite obviously involved