Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

[Krakenzero]

Maybe a wildfire fired the missile

There's info wars attached to the actual war, which means disinformation in order to create confusion is part of the game. Having said that, it doesn't make sense for the UA to deliberately fire a missile to its main EU/NATO ally while applying for EU/NATO. Even as a false flag operation it doesn't add up (right in the border? With easily noticeable difference in the missiles?).

 

[Dans]

So, called out - fair enough and apologies to all.

The translation of the passage about contradictory to NATO assessment is this:

"The report also contradicts some of the statements made by NATO: According to a report by Business Insider magazine, the military alliance had stated that a technical error had prevented the S-300 rocket from self-destructing. That is why the rocket hit Polish terrain unchecked. However , Gazeta Wyborcza reported that the rocket exploded in mid-air after missing the target. The debris then hit just behind the Polish-Ukrainian border in the village of Przewodow."

I am guilty of not reading the article fully (as incredibly long as it was) and jumping to a conclusion based on the mini headline "Brisante Details widersprechen NATO".

I also am guilty of jumping to a conclusion based on the fact that Zelensky was so very adamant that it was a Russian rocket whereas all other parties refuted that and not being wholly unconvinced that it might not indeed be a false flag.

 

[TMDaines]

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[Rajma]

Funny name.

For those not in the know, in Russian "пиздец" (peezdyets) means fecked or fecked up and it's used to describe a situation.

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[Frosty]

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I'm becoming more and more convinced that the Ukrainians should take over all British railways.

 

[sglowrider]

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[Frosty]

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She is basically saying she would prefer them to be dead, right?

 

[The Firestarter]

She is basically saying she would prefer them to be dead, right?

ye

 

[Raoul]

Very calm and orderly as usual

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[AlPistacho]

So, called out - fair enough and apologies to all.

The translation of the passage about contradictory to NATO assessment is this:

"The report also contradicts some of the statements made by NATO: According to a report by Business Insider magazine, the military alliance had stated that a technical error had prevented the S-300 rocket from self-destructing. That is why the rocket hit Polish terrain unchecked. However , Gazeta Wyborcza reported that the rocket exploded in mid-air after missing the target. The debris then hit just behind the Polish-Ukrainian border in the village of Przewodow."

I am guilty of not reading the article fully (as incredibly long as it was) and jumping to a conclusion based on the mini headline "Brisante Details widersprechen NATO".

I also am guilty of jumping to a conclusion based on the fact that Zelensky was so very adamant that it was a Russian rocket whereas all other parties refuted that and not being wholly unconvinced that it might not indeed be a false flag.

Respect.

 

[nimic]

So, called out - fair enough and apologies to all.

The translation of the passage about contradictory to NATO assessment is this:

"The report also contradicts some of the statements made by NATO: According to a report by Business Insider magazine, the military alliance had stated that a technical error had prevented the S-300 rocket from self-destructing. That is why the rocket hit Polish terrain unchecked. However , Gazeta Wyborcza reported that the rocket exploded in mid-air after missing the target. The debris then hit just behind the Polish-Ukrainian border in the village of Przewodow."

I am guilty of not reading the article fully (as incredibly long as it was) and jumping to a conclusion based on the mini headline "Brisante Details widersprechen NATO".

I also am guilty of jumping to a conclusion based on the fact that Zelensky was so very adamant that it was a Russian rocket whereas all other parties refuted that and not being wholly unconvinced that it might not indeed be a false flag.

You could have just ignored your mistake and moved on, but you owned up to it instead. So that's cool.

 

[RedDevilQuebecois]

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Adam Kinzinger rightfully called that cnut out for that tweet.

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[VorZakone]

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[the hea]

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[Raoul]

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Its time to get tough with Iran.

 

[Simbo]

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This guy and his team are quite rigorous with their verifications, its all there on the website. His numbers are only those with published visual confirmations, so 2k+ actual lost tanks is a safe bet, within 9 months. Absolutely bonkers.

 

[The Firestarter]

This guy and his team are quite rigorous with their verifications, its all there on the website. His numbers are only those with published visual confirmations, so 2k+ actual lost tanks is a safe bet, within 9 months. Absolutely bonkers.

I still can't wrap my head around this. It would probably take longer to scrap this amount of iron

 

[Raoul]

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That's one way of disposing of outdated armor.

 

[Raoul]

Adam Kinzinger rightfully called that cnut out for that tweet.

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People often forget that her idiotic tweets and media interviews are a fundraising grift. The more outragious the comment the more it animates the nutjobs who contribute money to donate.

 

[Raoul]

The least he could've done prior to traveling was gotten some casual dress tips from Macron.

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[Simbo]

The least he could've done prior to traveling was gotten some casual dress tips from Macron.

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makes me laugh. Happy he's on board though, PR stunt or not.

 

[stevoc]

The least he could've done prior to traveling was gotten some casual dress tips from Macron.

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Yep Britain knows lots about fighting for freedom. But most of their experience with it is from people fighting against them for their freedom though.

 

[Beans]

Yep Britain knows lots about fighting for freedom. But most of their experience with it is from people fighting against them for their freedom though.

 

[Beans]

Strikes me as a traitor. His answers are garbage.

"The realist political scientist explains why Russia’s move to annex four Ukrainian provinces isn’t imperialism."

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/john-mearsheimer-on-putins-ambitions-after-nine-months-of-war

 

[B20]

"the realists" fail to realise that people like putin don't think like "realists"

 

[ThierryFabregas]

Strikes me as a traitor. His answers are garbage.

"The realist political scientist explains why Russia’s move to annex four Ukrainian provinces isn’t imperialism."

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/john-mearsheimer-on-putins-ambitions-after-nine-months-of-war

I read a bit and he's blatantly lying in parts. 'Russia never intended to conquor all of Ukraine and that's why they aren't now'. Except they tried to capture Kiev failed and got pushed back. It obviously had nothing to do with intent. The interviewer is garbage for giving no push back.

 

[M16Red]

Yep Britain knows lots about fighting for freedom. But most of their experience with it is from people fighting against them for their freedom though.

Is it? Why?

 

[dal]

Yep Britain knows lots about fighting for freedom. But most of their experience with it is from people fighting against them for their freedom though.

So true

 

[stevoc]

Is it? Why?

Not sure if this is a serious question, but if it is. There's a thread on here dedicated to the British Empire. I don't want to be the cause of an off topic discussion in this thread. So let's stay on topic.

 

[VorZakone]

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[Stookie]

Not sure if this is a serious question, but if it is. There's a thread on here dedicated to the British Empire. I don't want to be the cause of an off topic discussion in this thread. So let's stay on topic.

Yet you were the one who posted the comment about the empire in this very thread

 

[stevoc]

Yet you were the one who posted the comment about the empire in this very thread

One post isn't a discussion though to be fair.

 

[M16Red]

Not sure if this is a serious question, but if it is. There's a thread on here dedicated to the British Empire. I don't want to be the cause of an off topic discussion in this thread. So let's stay on topic.

It was a serious question, because didn't agree and wanted to understand your view.

But you are right, isn't the place

 

[NotThatSoph]

Strikes me as a traitor. His answers are garbage.

"The realist political scientist explains why Russia’s move to annex four Ukrainian provinces isn’t imperialism."

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/john-mearsheimer-on-putins-ambitions-after-nine-months-of-war

It was pretty accepted at the start of this war that Russia's goal was to storm Kyiv, depose the current government and install a puppet regime, no?

 

[Beans]

It was pretty accepted at the start of this war that Russia's goal was to storm Kyiv, depose the current government and install a puppet regime, no?

I'm guessing he would say installing a puppet is different from conquering the land. But he's clearly being deceptive to me.

 

[nimic]

There’s no evidence that he was interested in conquering those four oblasts. The war started on February 24th. On February 21st, he gave a famous speech—this is three days before the war started—where he recognized the two oblasts in the Donbas. This is Donetsk and Lugansk. He recognized them as independent republics. So he was not interested in conquering that territory.

This seems extremely weak.

Well, first of all, there’s no evidence that he had imperial ambitions before the war. He would have had to say that it was desirable. There would have to be evidence that he had said that it was desirable to conquer Ukraine and incorporate it into Russia. There would have to be evidence that he had said it was feasible. And there would have to be evidence that he had said that that was what he was doing. And there is no evidence to support any of those.

Also this.

Yes. It may be that thirty years from now we unlock the archives and discover that there is massive evidence that he was an imperialist at heart. That is possible, but we do not have any evidence of that sort at this point in time. We have a huge amount of evidence that it was NATO expansion and the more general policy of making Ukraine a western bulwark on Russia’s border that motivated him to attack on February 24th.

And this.

The end is hilarious. The interviewer is trying to get him to talk about his meeting with Orban, and he clearly doesn't want to. Obviously he knows it looks bad for him that Orban is tweeting about meeting him (how the #liberals are wrong).

He's not to be taken seriously any more, that's clear.

 

[Raoul]

Strikes me as a traitor. His answers are garbage.

"The realist political scientist explains why Russia’s move to annex four Ukrainian provinces isn’t imperialism."

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/john-mearsheimer-on-putins-ambitions-after-nine-months-of-war

Wouldn't be surprised if he's on the Russian payroll. Just returned from meeting with Orban as well.

 

[NotThatSoph]

This seems extremely weak.



Also this.



And this.

The end is hilarious. The interviewer is trying to get him to talk about his meeting with Orban, and he clearly doesn't want to. Obviously he knows it looks bad for him that Orban is tweeting about meeting him (how the #liberals are wrong).

He's not to be taken seriously any more, that's clear.

It would be interesting to compare with what Putin said before the 08 invasion of Georgia. South Ossetia and Abkhazia are recognised by Russia as independent states, but at least with South Ossetia the goal is to integrate it into Russia, so there's no necessary contradiction between recognising independence and having territorial ambitions. I have no idea what the pre-war rhetoric was like, though.