You want to start arresting journalists and surround Russian territory? Cool...........
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Thanks. In french I have only known Ukraine. But then french is a bit special since we will have an l' in front of Ukraine depending on the sentence.
That cnut is not a journalist. And for the record, treason is described as such in the United States penal code:
And as for Kaliningrad, does the notion of bargaining chip mean anything to you?18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason said:
I think he has actually used 'not a journalist' as a legal defence, saying he is an entertainment host. I may have made that up.
I didn't say NATO should attack Russia in Ukraine, and I've not questioned the difference between that and arming the Ukranians, there's no need for the attitude.
Yeah you're off your rocker. If you've ended up in a position thinking locking up journalists and surrounding a nation out of some show of force is a good idea then you're probably the exact sort who'd be excusing actual autocratic/tyrannical behaviour if born in another territory. That isn't how any civilised nation acts.
Another one for the ignore.
It was used by Fox News in a lawsuit, claiming they were an "entertainement network" but either way, the 1st amendment is very broad and Carlson's stupidity is protected.
Even calls to violence are protected speech unless intended to and directed to inciting immediate lawless action.
Now this is an interesting thread on the crisis presented by the prospect of Ukrainian independence in 1991:
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And you bring no suggestion to the debate whatsoever. At least, I back my arguments with comments from experts and excerpts from existing laws.
Ignore yourself.
But you want to ban journalists and get into non linear war. That's not the means to any good end surely?
That's great, that book was recommended to me earlier.
The problem I have with Tucker Carlson's shenanigans is as to where the line can and should be drawn between free speech and outright treason as described in the United States Code of Laws. When do you start applying treason charges when this is arguably the first time since WW2 that we have an American cheering up so much for the other side? If one does the entire nomenclature of what he said for Russia and against his own country in the context of this conflict, Carlson sounds and smells really treasonous by definition.
For the record, Mildred "Axis Sally" Gillars was found guilty of treason and served 12 years in prison for disseminating Axis propaganda as an American broadcaster during WW2. Hence we have a precedent if Carlson has to be arrested and put on trial on such charges.
It sounds positive... But I am not overly hopeful
Ultimately for putin to end this he is going to want sanctions lifted ... I can see him using a ceasefire to resupply troops and then say something along the lines of Ukraine and Russia are happy with the terms but NATO won't lift their sanctions...
Then basically bomb people till NATO lets him use his credit card again
It's certainly more positive than negative but ultimately any settlement is going to have to look at the sanctions and I think the republican hawks in America are prepared to sacrifice a lot of ukranians to be able to blame gas prices on biden
Is the US at war with Russia?
Carlson is too smart to say such things if a real engagement commenced.
He's an awful shit stirring bastard who I'd hate even more if it was my country he was polluting with his dangerous bile, but you can't ban him or kill him for treason.
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Yup. Anyone who thinks Ukraine has won this war if both sides settle and lands stay occupied as they are now is misguided. That would be a big loss for Ukraine. Only the future will tell us whether Russia’s gains will have been worth the cost or not.
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Apt nickname although the original Tokyo Rose was never formally identified because the one indicted (Iva Toguri) became so after witnesses were forced to lie during testimony.
The Anonymous hacker group apparently took over a live TV broadcast in Russia a few days ago (I don't if this has been confirmed as having actually happened) and showed some footage of the destruction in Ukraine.
This got me thinking, can't GCHQ do the same thing? How difficult is it to do?
This got me thinking, can't GCHQ do the same thing? How difficult is it to do?
I think that is too cynical. Any reading of history between nuclear armed states shows they'll do whatever they can to avoid direct conflict. I think Biden is wisely doing everything he can to avoid escalation games with Putin, despite Putin's provocations. At the moment, Putin is making mis-step after mis-step and his options are narrowing as a result. Patience is the name of the game, if Ukraine can hold out. Let's see which way China jumps in the next week or so, that could be crucial.
Ho Chi Minh was both an independence fighter and a marxist - the US put way too much emphasis on the latter and not enough on the former but you can’t assert the communist influence in North Vietnam was imperialist make believe. Also, the Cold War played out in a major way in Europe too - Poland, Czechoslavakia, Hungary, East Germany. Those were the high profile ones for Europeans and in none of those cases was the US the bad guys.
Nuclear bomb aside, this is actually more aligned with the analysis by Rob Lee and Michael Kofman if I recall their articles correctly.
That's not necessarily so.
First, Russia wouldn't be able stay in all the places they are now - e.g. surrounding three-quarters of Kyiv because that'd be a complete non-starter for Ukraine. Second, Ukraine would remain a free and independent state, albeit somewhat reduced in size, instead of ruled by Putin. Third, they'd apply to join the EU and that application would be fast-tracked. Fourth, Russia's military would be weakened compared to pre-invasion ... and considerably weakened politically on the world stage. Fifth, defensive weapons would pour into Ukraine unhindered - and this time they'd include jets and very sophisticated anti-air defence systems.
I wonder, do the Russians love their children too?
They suggested Ukraine would invade Southern Russia? And that the Ukrainian government is "in essence" Nazis?
The Republicans can all feck off and jump into a large canyon.
It would be because most of the wealth comes from the south east and is currently occupied by Russia.
What would President Bernie Sanders do?
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A+ propaganda but its fcking infuriating that it works in 2022, that people of Russia are that fcking thick that they believe it.
World War 3 it is then - we are all fecked
I seem to have missed the Nazi-remark but the overall NATO-theme and Ukrainian military strengthening (Turkish drones for example) were the main core of Russia's calculus, according to Lee/Kofman. And not some restoration of a historical "Greater Russia" which is implied in other analysis.
This is probably a terrible analogy and anecdote, but when I was younger I absolutely despised tomato, my Mum would keep giving them to me in meals. One day when I was a student I was food shopping by myself and went out and bought myself some tomatoes, after a while I realised that I'd actually ended up liking them. I suspect propaganda works in a similar way.
The was a good quote on modern Russia's ideological appeal, or rather the lack of it, by the author of Sapiens- Yuval Noah Harari- that basically said that Putin has NOTHING to offer from an ideological perspective to other nations that's attractive: it's just nationalism and oligarchy.
There are many valid criticisms you could make of the West and capitalism/liberalism, there are many you could make of Islamic governments, communist governments etc.., but they're propped up by a belief in something that appeals to people on some level. I'm not sure how Russia intends to keep hold of Ukraine by the notion of blood ties, especially when they've been blowing their supposed brothers to bits and pieces.
Love your optimism, but I fear we sleepwalk into a rump state Ukraine with greater political and defensive instability, and both EU and NATO membership still far off in the distance. Just because Ukraine didn’t fall in 72 hours, I think people are overstating their position.
Hmm, let's see how willing China is to help out...
What a show of strength from Russia
Just saw this is the front page of the FT. Definitely not something I wanted to read.
It actually seems like it on the face of it but reading the article, it's nowhere near as big. They apparently asked for their help but not that recently but more like at the start of the invasion. The article itself doesn't really make it clear.
I hope China play the fence and hopefully that means they reject the request or provide limited cooperation. Even if we don't get a military escalation as a result of this Ukraine war, the hypocrisy coming from Russia is astounding and makes you realise they still think they live in the Soviet times.
Either way though, and as I've said on plenty of other occasions, this should be an eye-opener for votes in the West refusing to live in the real world about the coming decades and the challenges democracies, however imperfect they may be, face.
It has to be utterly embarrassing from Russia's perspective, but the Chinese could well use the opportunity to send men to gain enough combat experience like when the Nazis sent the Condor Legion during the Spanish Civil War.
