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That includes Azores and Madeira and Im guessing was in US interest at the time to include Azores (they used to have a base there after the WW2 and Madeira because was a tourist destination for the britsThank makes some sense when you think back to the falklands
and I found reference to the actual definition which is
so North Africa possibly is covered?
Not when they step in a war zone unless is a ceasefire agreement which the Russians are bad to stick to any agreement.
Is he related to Rio? Uncle?
Nope.
Otherwise if Putin leaves Russia, for example visiting Mongolia, it's open season on him and Russia has no right to declare war on the offender...
You are glossing over the fact Graham and McCain were there in 2014 promising help and the US helped install an anti Russian government that ended up with 14,000 getting killed.
You could also argue the EUs move is a calculated snub to Putin. It is a sign that they believe Russia is too weak to do anything about it
Obviously Russia can not risk killing any EU states officials. They know they are coming and they will act accordingly.
Are we back to "US did lots of bad things so Russia can do it too" argument? Two wrongs do not make one right. Ukraine is a sovereign state. Zelenskyy won the most democratic elections in the history of all former USSR states. Nuclear warheads of Russia in Kaliningrad have always been much closer to NATO than the nuclear weapons of NATO to Russia. Ukraine are a sovereign nation with their own language and culture. It is up to Ukraine to decide whether they want to be members of EU and NATO. Ukranian governement had each and every right to get NATO membership ASAP, after having witnessed what has happened in Georgia and Crimea. Baltic states have been NATO states for years, and not a single millimeter of Russian soil have been occupied by NATO ever. Even after Crimea occupation, EU were very soft when it came to sanctions against Russia and were actively lobbying for Nordstream 2 which was going to increase their dependency on Russia's natural gas. So no hostility from NATO/EU at all. It has always been about Putin's pan to restore the great "Russian Empire". I hope he fails miserably and we get rid of this bloody maniac in the nearest future.
Mongolia isn’t an active war zone though as far as I’m aware
Nah, he's Putin's favourite singer.
Totally agree with this. So far everything the west has done seems weak and it feels like they are looking to avoid a war at all costs. Biden saying there would be no American and NATO involvement before the invasion probably factored into Putin's calculus regarding the war so, this move feels like a deliberate act by those presidents to signal to Russia that they are not afraid by putting themselves at risk.
The bottom line is that the vast majority of Ukrainians want closer ties with the West, including the EU. They do not want to be part of Russia's "sphere of influence" for reasons that are spectacularly obvious.
No amount of weaselling on your part will change this bedrock fact. It's freedom, democracy and independence vs tyranny, brutality and oppression. Everything else is largely irrelevant.
Yeah, but Ukraine is also not one, at least accordingly to Russia. He can't have it both ways, by attacking the Polish,Czech, Slowenian delegation he would at least to have to acknowledge that Russia is at war with the Ukraine.
I'm no expert in international law, but deliberately attacking a delegation of a foreign state even in a war zone or a country at war with Russia is certainly high risk for him and there can be a case made, that this justifies a declaration of war.
I doubt Putin cares about that. If he's looking for a way of escalating - and he might well be given his desperation - this provides a potential way of doing it.
Putin is already desperate to resolve the sh!te that he has created asap. He knows that his economy is dead and the longer the sanctions remain in place, the less likely he is to survive internally. Escalating this war further would speed up his end.
I don't think that's remotely in his interest. Even if he's looking to escalate, it would be with the aim to gain something, i.e. pressure Ukraine into concessions, and/or intimidate Europe to not intervene. Allowing this delegation to be targeted would accomplish neither of those things.
I don't think he wants to escalate. Most of his threats regarding other nations just appear as attempts to get them to stay away, don't think anyone will test him on them though.
Those guys. Who knew!
Great live band. One of my fav -- something I have in common with Lord Putin then.
Why do you make it sound like all the casualties in Dombas are on the Russian speaking side? It's this way in all your messages mentioning this figure.
In those 14000, more than 10000 were fighters on both sides, the rest are civilians in both Ukraine controlled and DPR/LPR controlled cities and it's actually pretty evenly distributed.
This is my fear. When an agreement is eventually reached and he gets his token bit of victory land and withdraws his troops, the world will quickly forget and loosen it's grip on Russia's neck. These sanctions and controls need to remain in place as long as the current regime is there. It will be costly to everybody though and I'm not sure the political appetite will remain for long after the war is over.
It depends on who gets elected next in these countries, most importantly the US.
I personally don't think the sanctions will go away as fast as they would be needed to save the Russian economy in time. Western leaders probably see the sanctions as a way to finally get rid of him and will want to leave them in place to further weaken him domestically.
Either way, the dye has been cast.
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Wasn't that Bald and Bankrupt guy the one who somebody on Reddit or somewhere came up with a theory he was some sort of murderer/rapist/trafficker or something? Not that that's particularly relevant to whether your point is true or not, just saying I seem to remember there may have been reason to believe he's not a goodie?
Yeah. Idk about the details. I think it's speculation?
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I've been out of the loop. what train is this?
A train carrying the Prime Ministers (or whatever the title in the respective country is) of Poland, Czech Republic and Slovenia to Kyiv in a show of support from the EU
He's a dickhead, he was in Ukraine when the fighting broke out and no doubt put himself there on purpose for views and not for any noble cause.
I don't know whether the allegations about him are true but I saw that he was on a refugee train in one of his videos, probably taking up space that another person could have used.
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There goes their $5 worth of Russian investments. Heartbreaking.
I think we are beyond the point where there will be any normalisation of relations with Putin. At some point, of course, Europe and, in particular, Russia have to move back to a more constructive relationship (you can’t change your geographical location) but that won’t happen until there’s a new face in the Kremlin.
In fairness, $5 USD is like 1 million....I mean...1 billion rubles
Those are not soldiers, they're terrorists and should be referred as such.
With Kadyrovs chechens there, syrian mercenaries about to join too, things like this are likely to become more common.
bloody hell that’s brave. Presumably Russia won’t dare touch them.
I believe they re still shelling Kyiv so unless they are going to stop completely or unless they are sure where they are and are confident in their accuracy then anything is possible (especially with a bunch of conscripts and the "fog of war")
I suspect they didn't intentionally down MH17... but things happen quickly and things go wrong