Swedish_Plumber
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Exactly.Gary sacked more managers than Chelsea while preaching how United must give few seasons to every manager.
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Exactly.Gary sacked more managers than Chelsea while preaching how United must give few seasons to every manager.
From what I've read, Wrexham's wages and spending etc is more than most teams in League 1 so they'll probably get promoted with not too much bother. Problem will come in the following season when they have to abide by the different spending rules in the Championship, but by then the rules will probably be changed again.Looking at the average League 1 attendances this season, there's Portsmouth, Bolton and Derby miles clear at the top with 18k, 21 and 27k respectively, but the next three clubs have averages that are roughly similar or worse than the 12-13k that Wrexham have averaged since they put up the temporary Kop. I was wondering if they'd get a reality check against the decent sized clubs in League 1 but it looks like they might actually be competitive with the promotion chasing clubs in matchday revenue at least?
And add in the disproportionate revenue they generate in sponsorship because of the documentary, and they might be in with a real chance of being promoted again next season?
Doesn’t this happen every year though?League One is probably going to lose 2 of its 3 stronger teams to promotion, could be 3 out of 3 if the playoffs go the right way.
Wrexham will be right in the hunt for promotion from day 1, zero doubt. Not an easy league to get out of but they will strengthen again.
Can’t see them struggling until they hit the Championship which still has huge money teams yo-yoing.
Neville is one of 6 or 7 owners, if the other 5 wanted someone gone he'd not be able to stop it so it's not the same at allGary sacked more managers than Chelsea while preaching how United must give few seasons to every manager.
Not really, I mean in terms of club size/attendance. League One is actually strong at the moment, Portsmouth/Bolton and Derby are Championship sides really.Doesn’t this happen every year though?
Doesn’t necessarily mean it’ll be easier sporting-wise as a result. Haven’t followed League One much though, just wondering.Not really, I mean in terms of club size/attendance. League One is actually strong at the moment, Portsmouth/Bolton and Derby are Championship sides really.
Obviously it depends who comes down, Rotherham yo-yo every few seasons.
Their ability to attract players is another factor also.Looking at the average League 1 attendances this season, there's Portsmouth, Bolton and Derby miles clear at the top with 18k, 21 and 27k respectively, but the next three clubs have averages that are roughly similar or worse than the 12-13k that Wrexham have averaged since they put up the temporary Kop. I was wondering if they'd get a reality check against the decent sized clubs in League 1 but it looks like they might actually be competitive with the promotion chasing clubs in matchday revenue at least?
And add in the disproportionate revenue they generate in sponsorship because of the documentary, and they might be in with a real chance of being promoted again next season?
They should sign Martial on a freeIt's difficult to know if Paul Mullin will be as good in L1 though. We'll have to see.
I was also wondering if their manager would be good enough in higher tiers but he does seem to have a pretty good record in that part of the football league. I didn't realise he was the one who took Bradford to the League Cup final.Their ability to attract players is another factor also.
I'm not not sure the likes of James McClean and Fletcher would've signed for another L2 team even for same wages.
Also they'll be able to loan in PL academy players also.
It's difficult to know if Paul Mullin will be as good in L1 though. We'll have to see.
Why is it "great stuff" out of interest?Great stuff from Wrexham on their back to back promotions.
The money spent is paying off well enough for the owners. I wonder how long they’ll keep at it?
Rob said he's committed for lifeGreat stuff from Wrexham on their back to back promotions.
The money spent is paying off well enough for the owners. I wonder how long they’ll keep at it?
He's been promoted twice from L1.I was also wondering if their manager would be good enough in higher tiers but he does seem to have a pretty good record in that part of the football league. I didn't realise he was the one who took Bradford to the League Cup final.
It’s certainly better than having corrupt owners who drove that club down into oblivion to start with. I guess fans of other clubs will feel bitter about the process which is probably fair.Why is it "great stuff" out of interest?
Super rich owners just throwing loads of wad at it. Is that great?
This Wrexham team will do fine in L1. Wrexham will strengthen this summer.Signing Mullen for the National League was like signing Haaland for the Championship, as close to cheating as you can get.
It’s basically City or PSG situation on a smaller scale but with likeable actors instead of corrupt oil states so there’s just a certain fairytale element to it I guess.
League 1 is surely a whole other kettle of fish though. Mullen and most of their best players had already done it in league 2 but not league 1.
‘Great stuff’ like ‘good on wrexham’ getting promoted.Why is it "great stuff" out of interest?
Super rich owners just throwing loads of wad at it. Is that great?
I’d forgotten McClean went to them.This Wrexham team will do fine in L1. Wrexham will strengthen this summer.
Maybe because they are in public treated as some poor and small underdogs. All good, they have great owners who legally invest money into that club. But they are literally buying success so far. It is not some romantic story. It is great business story though.‘Great stuff’ like ‘good on wrexham’ getting promoted.
These 2 guys are not ‘Saudi oil money’ rich.
You seem annoyed by them. Why?
I’d forgotten McClean went to them.
Quite a step down to league two for him.
Some weirdly salty takes in this thread, everyone would love owners like these 2, hopefully they continue to be invested in the club and take it further than it has beforeFixation on Mullin is odd. High wages but a free transfer. “Paul, come and score loads of goals for us on a free in a much lower level of football…. and low wages”? Never going to happen.
Okonkwo is a loan, Luke Young was a free (signed well before the takeover), Fletcher unwanted free, Elliott Lee (arguably best player, not top goal scorer obviously)was a free that a lot of clubs passed on, couple of others cheap.
Yeah some of the wages are higher and sponsorship obviously helps but seem to be the only thing talked about. Spending money wisely and mixing big buys with bargains, frees and loans is a positive? I wish United did
Because teams just thundering through the leagues outspending everyone is never that great.‘Great stuff’ like ‘good on wrexham’ getting promoted.
These 2 guys are not ‘Saudi oil money’ rich.
You seem annoyed by them. Why?
Not sure he's got enough money for that thoughRob said he's committed for life
I can envisage in 5-10 years, most clubs will have these kind of weird ownership/investment structures. Look forward to seeing Stockport County being partially owned by Mos Def and Andre 3000.Maybe because they are in public treated as some poor and small underdogs. All good, they have great owners who legally invest money into that club. But they are literally buying success so far. It is not some romantic story. It is great business story though.
On the other hand, is it "that" bad? I bet you'd struggle to find a single Wrexham fan and/or Wrexham resident against the current ownership, and you'd also struggle to find a single non-Wrexham, non-league fan genuinely against a similar thing happening to their clubs. It's not as if Wrexham hasn't been to purgatory for long enough or have always had it easy either. I don't feel the need to be "defending" two Hollywood stars, I couldn't care less about them, but most of the bitterness stems from envy, which is fair enough to some extent, and not some kind of purity in football crusade as some try to make it out to be, let's call a spade a spade.Because teams just thundering through the leagues outspending everyone is never that great.
Also I heard rumours that there are teams that have severely outspend their opposition and still cannot finish in the top 3 in back to back seasons.People are exaggerating Wrexham's financial muscle. They are not an oil state and it serves no purpose comparing them to one.
Wrexham have a solid foundation and a group that is used to winning football matches. They will be absolutely fine next season. McClean is just one of the players they have assembled that has been playing there under his level.I’d forgotten McClean went to them.
Quite a step down to league two for him.
Always sunny is in its waht 17th season?Not sure he's got enough money for that though
Cringe post alert - from playing Football Manager I found the profit and sustainability rules more forgiving in the Championship than the salary cost management protocol that is in League One and League Two. Now I don't even know if they're accurate in that game, although they do try to make everything as accurate as possible and tend to do a good job. I'd put a reasonable level of trust in saying they're not far off.From what I've read, Wrexham's wages and spending etc is more than most teams in League 1 so they'll probably get promoted with not too much bother. Problem will come in the following season when they have to abide by the different spending rules in the Championship, but by then the rules will probably be changed again.
They had wage structure L1 clubs while playing in National league and L2.People are exaggerating Wrexham's financial muscle. They are not an oil state and it serves no purpose comparing them to one.
I still don't see the parallels, Ambramovich was Putin's mate who benefitted from the collapse of the Soviet Union and ultimately had the club confiscated from him, his legacy was washing Russian's reputation among Chelsea fans.So, they did bought success so far. Absolutely nothing wrong about that. As i said, it is nice to see competent owners in action but it is not some underdog story. It is more like Chelsea story when Roman bought them (when there was no FFP). And back then we all hated Chelsea, remember?
I can't say I'm into show business/celebrity at all, I'm the least versed person you could find when it comes to TV/films and I don't think I've seen anything with these two in it. Not watched the documentary either, but know who they are just by being interested in football. Don't really see how it's great, but it's not bad either to me. Just kind of neutral.Why is it "great stuff" out of interest?
Super rich owners just throwing loads of wad at it. Is that great?
I agree with you about their future. I see them exactly there, middle of Championship.I still don't see the parallels, Ambramovich was Putin's mate who benefitted from the collapse of the Soviet Union and ultimately had the club confiscated from him, his legacy was washing Russian's reputation among Chelsea fans.
Wrexham are owned by 2 actors, they'll get to the championship and then have to make smart decisions. They won't just be going to The Champions League in 5 seasons.
I don't think Wrexham are going to change world football like City, Chelsea and PSG have done, mostly for the worse, they'll just be another Championship club that maybe gets to the Premier League.
Abramovich could have made his money saving kittens from burning buildings and it wouldn't change anything. The money he pumped into Chelsea distorted the usual order of things and that was the problem, not the sourceI still don't see the parallels, Ambramovich was Putin's mate who benefitted from the collapse of the Soviet Union and ultimately had the club confiscated from him, his legacy was washing Russian's reputation among Chelsea fans.
Wrexham are owned by 2 actors, they'll get to the championship and then have to make smart decisions. They won't just be going to The Champions League in 5 seasons.
I don't think Wrexham are going to change world football like City, Chelsea and PSG have done, mostly for the worse, they'll just be another Championship club that maybe gets to the Premier League.
What is earned success?Abramovich could have made his money saving kittens from burning buildings and it wouldn't change anything. The money he pumped into Chelsea distorted the usual order of things and that was the problem, not the source
There's no need to be obtuse; whether it's oil money or lovable actor fueled money... It doesn't matter to the competition. There is still an advantage that's 'unearned'