Sander Berge

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  1. May 20, 2019
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    Cassidy No longer at risk of being mistaken for a Scouser

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    Its not a random statement, its an opinion, having watched them both, you are ok to form your own opinion also.

    Well he is leaving now isn't he? The club also rejected plenty of bids for him last summer.

    By your logic our scouts shouldn't bother to look for talent outside of the top 4 leagues because there is no way there could be talent there that was better. Quite a few players playing in the PL also came from that league by the way...
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    Lexxxzi New Member

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    There is simply no excuse for Utd not to have the most possession, by a good margin, against 90% of the teams in EPL. OGS will have to get this straight for next season, and then the players will be trained for his style, which focuses on dominating the game.



    Of course he is. If Zidane would actually give him the chance and Odegaard played regularly for Real, he would already have 20+ assists and quite a few goals a season.
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    Fosu-Mens Full Member

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    His abilities are best suited to possessionbased football. Chelsea were not extremely heavy on possession, but IIRC they usually won the possessionstats and Mata played in the middle.
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    Cassidy No longer at risk of being mistaken for a Scouser

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    Ole has talked about us dominating possession and games more by the way.
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    Fosu-Mens Full Member

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    With the average technical ability this squad seem to have, they will struggle if not given time and space.
    Pogba, Mata, Lindelof and arguably Mata are the only players in the squad able to play possessionbased football at the highest level, rest of them needs to improve in various areas to play this kind of football.

    Personally, i think OGS will try to emulate the progress Klopp has showcased with his side:
    1. High press, fast paced and high intensity football.
    2. Then become more able to keep the ball when needed.
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    Yeah mate that’s exactly what I said! :lol:
    Simply asking how you formed your opinion. Other than you formed an opinion, you didn’t explain, so bias is the logical conclusion.
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    Red_toad Full Member

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    Yes and he got taken to a better league, by a better club.
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    Keeps It tidy Hates Messi

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    That is what they are doing with Berge which is why this thread has been bumped.
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    Cassidy No longer at risk of being mistaken for a Scouser

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    I guess watching both players isnt how my opinion was formed
  10. May 21, 2019
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    Roma too, now. I think he’ll go to a side like that rather than a PL one.

    If he does, I could easily see him doing similar to his fellow Genk alumni in Ndidi and being a serious option for teams above in a year or so.
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    Red_toad Full Member

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    After reading your opinion, my option has decided it doesn’t matter.
    Try analyses, not just I’ve watched both and know better!
  12. May 21, 2019
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    Cassidy No longer at risk of being mistaken for a Scouser

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    Again. Its fine that you decided that. I didn't say I know better, you asked how I formed my opinion, I said by watching both players. You didn't ask me to explain what differences I saw etc, I would have been happy to.
    As of now though I don’t particularly care and also I am fine with you having a differing opinion.

    Not sure why you get antsi you asked a question and it was answered, we have differing opinions, its allowed. Also if you wanted more detail you only had to ask
  13. May 21, 2019
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    Wouldn't be a total risk, since this guy is considered one of the most promising U21 at Europe.
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    Once you form an opinion that A player is better than B player, even though B player plays for a far better team in a far better league. You are indeed expressing an I know better opinion. Otherwise he’d be at a United and playing ahead of McTommy!
    Maybe he could be better, who knows. YouTube video makes him look like a Sunday league players who’s a decent player and a bit ahead of those around him. We got plenty of such players in the A league. Look good here but move to Europe and vanish.
  15. May 21, 2019
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    Cassidy No longer at risk of being mistaken for a Scouser

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    That is your opinion and I disagree, there is nothing I am saying which says I know better other than I have a different opinion and don't base my opinion of how good a player is by the team they play for and league that play in solely, especially if they are under the age of 22.

    Because as we have seen plenty of times, clubs have signed players later from lower/lesser leagues to replace players they currently have, they do so because they believe they are better. Also plenty of players are not at United playing ahead of McTommy, does that mean they are not better? No it doesn't, the logic you are using to validate your opinion doesn't hold.

    If Berge was 25+ I would be more inclined to say your assumption about having moved already could be correct, but he is 21 and one of the reasons he hasn't moved yet is because he is young and wanted to play regularly and develop. Him and his club have refused moves to better leagues already and it seems to have come to a point now where he has decided to leave and go to the next stage of his development.

    Another example of someone of a similar trajectory was Tielemans, who only moved to Monaco from Anderlecht at the age of 21 also I believe.

    Again there is nothing wrong with having differing opinions.

    Similarly I believe Ibrahima Konate is a better CB than Phil Jones, Jones plays in a better league for a better team, but it is still my opinion Konate is better.
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    Yeah, that's a leap, calling the lad world class :lol:
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    Keeps It tidy Hates Messi

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    Van Dijk was at Celtic not that long ago. Mane was at Red Bull Salzburg.The club a player is currently at does not always reflect a player's true quality.
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    When people are banding about that he’s better than a player in a better team & league, yeah it kinda reflects. Proving yourself in a lesser league does not make you automatically better than a player in another league. There are far too many variables. Otherwise Jones would be a United legend and not a sick note. There are many players who fail in better leagues, it’s a lottery.
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    Cassidy No longer at risk of being mistaken for a Scouser

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    You have to also factor how the player got there also. I can name players better than Lingard also
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    This must be irony. Sorry to break your bubble, but there really are world class players outside of the overrated EPL. Odegaard is definately one of them. Saying otherwise is ignorant and just reveals lack of understanding of football, really.
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    His close control on the ball is world class, same could be said about his passing and set piece delivery. The rest needs to be judged on a higher level to give a verdict.
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    Aaargh the good old you don’t agree with me, so you don’t understand football response. Gotcha.

    Sorry mate, but there's no bubble you're bursting here. I mean, what does the EPL have to do with anything I said anyway? Paranoid much?

    Fact is, it’s perfectly reasonable for me to want him to prove himself at the highest level, or for a more consistent period before I go brandishing the term “world class” around. You sound quite hurt & passive aggressive when somebody doesn’t agree with you. Best leave it at that then.
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    Better in your opinion or better as they’re proven at a higher or equal level? Big difference.
    No one can 100% say for certain any signing will prove to be better. Otherwise managers would never make a mistake when buying players. Too many variables as I’ve already said. If your opinion tells you you know 100%, then I’d suggest you go do coaching qualifications and get into football management.
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    Cassidy No longer at risk of being mistaken for a Scouser

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    Yes everything is opinion btw. Even if I say Mata is better than Lingard, its an opinion
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    Not really, Mata has proven able to perform at a level Jesse has never achieved. He was excellent for Chelsea for 2 seasons. He certainly proved who had the higher ceiling in talent.
    It’s debatable saying who’s the better player right now, as both we’re underwhelming last season. Over the course of their career it’s very evident who was the better player.
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    Cassidy No longer at risk of being mistaken for a Scouser

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    Indeed its debatable, but one can have an opinion
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    :lol:

    He’s developed very well but it is impossible to say he’s «world class» unless you are Norwegian and OVERLY patriotic.
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    True.

    Could argue that his set pieces and ability with the ball is close though.
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    Aye, I tried saying that but apparently I know nothing about/don’t understand football :drool:

    Oh & the mighty EPL is overrated and there are world class players outside of the EPL! Who’d have thought!

    *also not sure what relevance that point had with saying Odegaard shouldn’t be labeled world class (yet anyway).
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    Berge said today when interviewed in the studio of Viasats Champions League final buildup broadcast that he is quite likely to transfer away from Genk this summer. Not a surprise, but shows intention when he says it himself.
    Lunks to Spurs, Sevilla, Roma. Elsewhere?
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    Why haven’t we even been linked with this kid? He’s gonna be mint.

    Exactly what we need.
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    Aye. Carrickesque, with more hustle and less passing range.
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    Would be a good buy. Maybe he doesn't cut it at this level, but from the skill set he has shown, it's worth a try.
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    Great on FM19 for my Ajax side. Don't know much about him mind.
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    After watching the video, I agree. That is exactly the type of player we need. Whether he’d cut it at this level, who knows. But he’s got the physical attributes to be a great fit in the prem. Shouldn’t cost an arm and a leg. Surprised we’re not linked with Ole at the helm. If we could get this kid and Rabiot, our midfield could be sorted for incredibly cheap and he looks like he’d make a great long term compliment to Garner if they both panned out. Would also leave us plenty of money for RB, CB and another attacker to go with James this summer. Makes too much sense.
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    Fosu-Mens Full Member

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    Main issue is his ability to handle the ball under pressure and time from receiving to finding the best receiver for a pass. Should go to Sevilla, and learn some ball handling from Banega and Sarabia. Would do him wonders.
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    Lexxxzi New Member

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    Watch him today against Romania, if he gets to start. He'll dominate that game.
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    Whilst watching YouTube the lad seems like a more finessed Fellaini sometimes.

    Either way - is his passing any good? I don't really see anything from it that made me think of Carrick or anyone even a bit worse than him.

    Though im honest and I'm only judging from YouTube.
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    Lexxxzi New Member

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    He has very good long passing accuracy. I don't know about his flair abilities, but that's not exactly the kind of player he is, anyway. There is a "Skills & Defence" video that show a little more.
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    Dominating for team Hoofball?
    When the Norwegian nationalteam finally have players that can pass and receive the ball, they appoint the most cynical and pragmatic manager available.