I hate West Ham but really hope it works out for Maguire there as he's suffered a ludicrous amount of abuse from his own supporters.
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And rightfully. But I wish him the best at WHU.
If they’re buying these two, they really need to get ward prowse over the line too. The set piece threat would be off the scale.
I think it’s something that we’ve got to consider defensively too. Varane is the only defender we have that has physical presence in our box if Maguire leaves, Casemiro is good in the air too. But beyond that we’re pretty weak comparatively speaking.
I think it’s something that we’ve got to consider defensively too. Varane is the only defender we have that has physical presence in our box if Maguire leaves, Casemiro is good in the air too. But beyond that we’re pretty weak comparatively speaking.
This is a dream scenario. We cash in on two players not good enough. Both would be really good signings for West Ham.
I’m not massively convinced McT is a huge downgrade on Rice to be honest, although admittedly I’ve seen Rice run games in a way McT probably isn’t even capable.
I’m not massively convinced McT is a huge downgrade on Rice to be honest, although admittedly I’ve seen Rice run games in a way McT probably isn’t even capable.
In Moyes side its probably like going from 8 to 7.5.
100m pounds and you have the best combo of the market Moyes. You know you want it.
I think both will be a success at West Ham if a deal does go through. Think Mctom, if given the license, could get into double figures as he's a accomplished finisher,tbf.
It's a shame he won't listen to them and feck off. Talk about taking the hint.
Not really. He shouldn’t get abuse just because he’s crap. He’s been professional throughout and despite some delusions of grandeur he’s done nothing wrong in terms of his conduct and behaviour.
They wasted loads of money last season though on the likes of Scamacca and Aguerd so the big fee for Declan Rice is a bit misleading. West Ham don't actually have much to spend this summer.
chasing JWP and Paqueta already being there suggests Moyes wants to dump him straight into Rices role
I would be very happy with £55m but a lot posters will cry.
Aguerd wasn't a waste of money, he's mint.
Maguire hatrick on corners!Me too
But this time it seems more likely than with many other players, especially with their relative threat from set pieces and us occasionally being suspect at the back to them.
I'm really interested to see what we manage to do with offloading players.
IMO, we should be looking at 70-80m for the pair. Anything less would be an "L" on our part.
Both starting internationals in peak years in terms of professional performance.
I'd value maguire at 50m and McSauce at 30m.
Anything lower than 45 /25 and we've had our pants down.
Something which has happened far too often in the past.
IMO, we should be looking at 70-80m for the pair. Anything less would be an "L" on our part.
Both starting internationals in peak years in terms of professional performance.
I'd value maguire at 50m and McSauce at 30m.
Anything lower than 45 /25 and we've had our pants down.
Something which has happened far too often in the past.
Don't care. Either pay up or move on. There are other teams interested in both players.
It says a lot that some of our supporters feel it's okay to mock and boo one of our players because they are struggling with form. So much for getting behind the lads.
We went without scoring from a set piece for an awful long time with these two starting for us.
Who are they?
I mean he did have the audacity to charge us £80m and then put a gun to our head over his wages. Been a trouble maker since day one as well hasn't he.
Both McTominay and Maguire have been model servants to the club and anything commenting on anything beyond their quality for United should be ashamed. Both are good players, just not at the level United need or don't fit the way we play.
I very much wish them all the best, especially McTominay.
The problem is you need to consider wages for the total outlay on a transfer. Maguire is on over £5m a year which adds at least £20m to the buying club’s expenditure.
You’re valuing Maguire at £70m+ for four years of service at West Ham, with very little sell on value when he nears the end of his contract. I don’t think that’s realistic given his club form over the last two seasons.
Agreed!
They are two proven premiership players with loads of experience and both are cemented in their national teams. On paper they are really good players (Not on ETH team sheet though) and with the transfer fees mentioned, bargains for the buying club.
Scott with over 200 games in PL/Europe at 26 years of age.
Maguire with over 250 at age 30.
That is a lot of experience for a team like West Ham who need British players who have played in Europe and PL.
I can’t see this being a bad deal for anyone. More of a win win scenario.
Scott with over 200 games in PL/Europe at 26 years of age.
Maguire with over 250 at age 30.
That is a lot of experience for a team like West Ham who need British players who have played in Europe and PL.
I can’t see this being a bad deal for anyone. More of a win win scenario.
50 million for Harry Maguire? That's absolutely bonkers. It's okay for a club to start with a negotiating position but for you to think a 30 year old centre back that has no club form is actually worth 50 million quid is staggering. Have we been watching the same player?
He's a decent CB but he's nowhere near our level and you're valuing him like he is. The problem being that naturally any interested party is not at our level because that's where Harry Maguire plainly is in his career and you're asking them to invest 50 million with no prospect of any return on that capital and to maintain something close to his Man United wages. This is a position that simply won't work, it's not to do with having pants pulled down.
In 2021 United signed Varane, who at 28 was 2 years younger than Maguire is now, had won 4 Champions Leagues and 3 La Ligas, was a starting international, and had a much, much better public perception regarding playing skill than Maguire does currently, for £34 million.
Maguire will not command a fee close to £45 million.
Totally agree mate. I'll never understand it.
Right on, mate.
As in? Pocketing millions and making blunders every time he was played?
I agree but I'd say it's probably the opposite in terms of price.
Maguire is probably worth around 30 atm and Mctominay 40-50, especially when you take age, wages and past 2 seasons performances into perspective.
I think Mctominay in particular will be a huge hit at West Ham, he's very underrated by our fans and wouldn't be surprised if he hits the double digits in goals next season for West Ham, he's 100x the player Soucek is.
Anything less than 75 for the pair of them will be disappointing
Obvious disappointment coming then.
I'd take 50 here and now to remove Maguire's wages and facilitate Amrabaat inplace of Mctominay. Maguire's wage bill reduction will see a dramatic saving as well considering the amount he managed to get from us.
I would expect nothing less
That’s pushing it. £65m for the pair I think is fair.
I assume you pocket your wages and never make any mistakes at work - yes?
Not really sure about issues with what we should or should not get for these guys.
Both are looking at minor minor roles next season unless we have serious injury problems at centre back and midfield. They would also be a significant downgrade on the injured players were that to happen. In that regard, we should be getting rid and certainly in Maguires case getting his wages off the books.
even If we got €50million for both, it’s excellent business as opposed to hanging on to an ever depreciating asset that provides zero on hand value.
Amrabat and Evans are basically cheaper upgrades. They lower the wage bill and would allow for player like Mainoo, Gore, Hannibal to be integrated or a young CB to be brought in and slowly introduced. That’s good structure. That’s good planning.
Both are looking at minor minor roles next season unless we have serious injury problems at centre back and midfield. They would also be a significant downgrade on the injured players were that to happen. In that regard, we should be getting rid and certainly in Maguires case getting his wages off the books.
even If we got €50million for both, it’s excellent business as opposed to hanging on to an ever depreciating asset that provides zero on hand value.
Amrabat and Evans are basically cheaper upgrades. They lower the wage bill and would allow for player like Mainoo, Gore, Hannibal to be integrated or a young CB to be brought in and slowly introduced. That’s good structure. That’s good planning.
As in showing up to every thing ever asked of by the club on time, always being in tremendous physical condition, always putting in a great deal of effort when given opportunities, always speaking well of the club.
Is it unprofessional for him to accept the salary that the club offered him?
It is not his fault that he is not a particularly good player.
That's the part which makes it not believable
I’d be happy with 65-70 for both, 30 for Maguire, 35+5 for McSauce.
That's what we should be getting around that I'd say 40 for mctominay and 30 Maguire or both for 65.
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