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Is Longstaff still injured? That would be my main concern. I thought he was over it because Longstaff scored during pre season. Did not know it was Matt not Sean.
Our first game is against Chelsea. Big game.Agreed - so my vote is to get Longstaff for £35m or whatever and use Gomes as an attacking midfielder. Its going to drive me crazy when Mata/Lingard start ahead of him regularly if Ole does that. I can see it happening though.
Sean has had a full preseason I think.Is Longstaff still injured? That would be my main concern. I thought he was over it because Longstaff scored during pre season. Did not know it was Matt not Sean.
good quality for what level though? Let's look at some facts. Pogba is the only player that any of our rivals would even consider and he was iffy last year. McTominay is not a regular for Scotland and I doubt he'd get into Chelsea's team or anyone above. Andreas is not good enough for any top 10 side and wasn't in Spain. Fred has it all to prove after last season. Longstaff played 9 games at this level.Whatever you think of them, and I agree to a point, they are here to stay. Andreas got a new contract this summer and Fred has 4 years left on his. Matic is not good enough and we all can see his decline.
For a 2 man midfield, the numbers we have for those 2 positions are good. Not needing another player for depth is what I said. If it's to replace Matic then great.
Pogba, Mctominay, Longstaff, Andreas, and Fred would be good quality and good numbers.
Firstly, for a 2 man midfield the numbers are good, maybe not brilliant in quality but good for numbers.good quality for what level though? Let's look at some facts. Pogba is the only player that any of our rivals would even consider and he was iffy last year. McTominay is not a regular for Scotland and I doubt he'd get into Chelsea's team or anyone above. Andreas is not good enough for any top 10 side and wasn't in Spain. Fred has it all to prove after last season. Longstaff played 9 games at this level.
If we add up the total number of 7.5/10+ performances from all these players in the Premier league, we would barely get to 20 games. Is that good quality or more wishful thinking?
Mctom, Pogba and Longstaff should be an upgrade on our current status but it is still a lot or responsibility on young unproven players as we know Pogba himself is immature and unpredictable. Pogba needs reliable quality that can run the midfield as he isn't the best leader or example. Longstaff would have to step up and become a leader/general which is tough to do at a side like United, especially coming from Newc and having so few games under your belt.Firstly, for a 2 man midfield the numbers are good, maybe not brilliant in quality but good for numbers.
Pogba is a starter as I've said. But you are criminally under rating Scot Mctominay. Hes been probably our best midfielder on the tour and has only been a regular for us last season. In Jose's last season he was on and off with us. The reason why hes not been a starter for Scotland is hes only just broke through with us. He absolutely will be a starter for the national team now.
For most games in this hypothetical scenario of us signing Longstaff, Pogba and Mctominay would be the starters. And I'm more than happy with that. Then it would depend on Longstaffs quality to wether he would be a guaranteed bench player or just one for the future.
Fred hopefully just needs time.
Matic is done.
Andreas has his qualities. He can press and is a hard worker. You say he wasnt good in Spain? He played left wing for a relegation bound Grenada and was one of La ligas most creative players that season. His number were good for a team that didnt actually score that many. He then played 23 times in a Valencia team that finished the season 4th. He had good players that kept him out season too so no real smear on his time there. Imo he has something to add to our squad.
Longstaff is a risk in my opinion but I wouldn't want him just for depth. I think we lack creativity in midfield alot more than we lack a CM option like Longstaff. It's about priorities now.
If we sign Longstaff then he will be a starter at the base of midfield alongside McTominay as regardless of what we might think Pogba hasn't been a success in a two men midfield in the PL. I think Pogba in the hole in front of a hardworking midfield duo is the way to go particularly with McT starting to show a new adventurous side to his game. I don't rate or trust any of Matic, Fred and Pereira in this role.Firstly, for a 2 man midfield the numbers are good, maybe not brilliant in quality but good for numbers.
Pogba is a starter as I've said. But you are criminally under rating Scot Mctominay. Hes been probably our best midfielder on the tour and has only been a regular for us last season. In Jose's last season he was on and off with us. The reason why hes not been a starter for Scotland is hes only just broke through with us. He absolutely will be a starter for the national team now.
For most games in this hypothetical scenario of us signing Longstaff, Pogba and Mctominay would be the starters. And I'm more than happy with that. Then it would depend on Longstaffs quality to wether he would be a guaranteed bench player or just one for the future.
Fred hopefully just needs time.
Matic is done.
Andreas has his qualities. He can press and is a hard worker. You say he wasnt good in Spain? He played left wing for a relegation bound Grenada and was one of La ligas most creative players that season. His number were good for a team that didnt actually score that many. He then played 23 times in a Valencia team that finished the season 4th. He had good players that kept him out season too so no real smear on his time there. Imo he has something to add to our squad.
Longstaff is a risk in my opinion but I wouldn't want him just for depth. I think we lack creativity in midfield alot more than we lack a CM option like Longstaff. It's about priorities now.
Dried up as soon as Newcastle set 50mPerhaps we were looking at Longstaff as our Pogba replacement. The links to him have dried up now that Pogba looks like he is staying.
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All talk about this died weeks ago, we’re done for this transfer window.This is the only possible transfer in this short time left. Maybe we were waiting for the Lukaku transfer to go through. Maybe not.
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He is the one they want and I think they'll wait it out to get him. I wouldn't be surprised if we signed him in January.I think we should use the Lukaku money to just get this done even at 40 million. Sure it's a massive gamble, but if that's who the manager wants then the deal should be done.
I think there is player going in the opposite direction as well.With Ryan Sessegnon reportedly going for £25m you'd think the same amount would be enough for Longstaff.
I know Sessegnon was very highly rated after his season in the Championship.. but he looked lost in the Premier League..With Ryan Sessegnon reportedly going for £25m you'd think the same amount would be enough for Longstaff.
I think we should use the Lukaku money to just get this done even at 40 million. Sure it's a massive gamble, but if that's who the manager wants then the deal should be done.
I think January is more likely right now as well. I wouldn't be surprised if we can get him a bit cheaper in January depending on how much he plays and how Newcastle are doing. What if they're fearing the drop in January and Longstaff isn't liking the idea of going down with them? We could maybe twist Newcastle's arm there so they can afford a player they think will do enough to help them survive, or perhaps we just get him on the cheap next season when he could be a Championship player?He is the one they want and I think they'll wait it out to get him. I wouldn't be surprised if we signed him in January.
Newcastle are on the PL, and can afford to keep him. If they consider him the difference in staying up (although that’s based on 9 games!!), then they don’t need to sell him.With Ryan Sessegnon reportedly going for £25m you'd think the same amount would be enough for Longstaff.
He was sold for £30m with Spurs including a player in the deal. Sessegnon was also underwhelming in the PL.With Ryan Sessegnon reportedly going for £25m you'd think the same amount would be enough for Longstaff.
The problem is it seems to be all about waiting. Waiting for Longstaff, waiting for Sancho. The issue with that is that if they have a great season, we are likely not going to be the only teams in for them. They will probably end up choosing other teams because they have Champions League, whilst we do not, and look better run.He is the one they want and I think they'll wait it out to get him. I wouldn't be surprised if we signed him in January.
I agree.The problem is it seems to be all about waiting. Waiting for Longstaff, waiting for Sancho. The issue with that is that if they have a great season, we are likely not going to be the only teams in for them. They will probably end up choosing other teams because they have Champions League, whilst we do not, and look better run.
With the team we have got, I don't think we will get Champions League. We need players now, not next season.
Would require a world record fee at this stage.So that's it then, Sean's Longstaff not coming to United?
Fake news strikes again!Would require a world record fee at this stage.
That's true. There's a difference in the selling clubs position.Newcastle are on the PL, and can afford to keep him. If they consider him the difference in staying up (although that’s based on 9 games!!), then they don’t need to sell him.
Sessegnon got relegated, is presumably agitating for a move and Fulham (even with parachute payments), have just taken a massive hit on revenue from being back in the championship.
Sorry I should have added "understand" to make my post seem more convincingFake news strikes again!
That's true. There's a difference in the selling clubs position.
My point is - it's hard to accept that Newcastle's value of Longstaff is over £30m, based on what you've seen. As you've probably seen a lot more of Sessegnon and what he can perform during a whole season, both in a top championship side and in a weak premier league side, the valuation is easier to understand. £25m (+a player? Whoever that may be?) is, for some, a fair price, but for others - maybe not. Tottenham seems to think it's a fair price. As do I.
Newcastle asking for over £30m (or even higher) is crazy, and I'm disappointed over it because I really do see potential in Longstaff and think he'd be a great prospect to add to the team. I'm still hoping we're coming in with a late bid for him in this transfer window, but with the amount that's seems to be required - I don't rate it as doable.
Very YOUNG, I would say. I've seen him a fair bit, as I go to watch Fulham sometimes, being in London. He has lots of attributes, pace, willingness, good touch, positional discipline. However, he is still only JUST 19, and he was being asked last season to be a major part of Fulham's drive to stay up, when they made a series of signings which affected team spirit and created confusion. He often looked what he was - a boy - out there, capable of excellent moments and bursts but not physically hardened for 90 minutes of PL football.I know Sessegnon was very highly rated after his season in the Championship.. but he looked lost in the Premier League..
Over rated, or just playing in a really bad side?
His stock certainly fell after last season..
I'd suggest if he'd bought Maguire last summer United could be in the CL this season. But Jose would still be the manager. Swings and roundabouts.@tob I think you are right, but what bugs me about Woodward above all else is he doesn't seem to learn from mistakes. Last summer we made a bid for Harry Maguire but whatever the quoted fee was, he decided it was too high (rumoured to be between 50-60 mil). He could have paid that and wee wouldn't have paid 80 mil this summer. If we can afford to pay 40 mil + a player because that's what Newcastle want, we have the funds we should pay it, rather than paying 60 million next summer if Longstaff has an amazing season, which he is likely to have barring injury as he is a quality player.
I think they’d probably reject £40mil and the loan tbh.I would be surprised if United don't make one last try at Longstaff. £30m and Alex Tuanzebe on a season long loan might do it.