Seeing Out/Killing Off Games

dwd said:
Rashford simply cant run the ball into the corner or keep hold of it ever.
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Rashford did well at the end though? He controlled it, kept it then passed it and we never lost the ball

In general yeah it was a nervy end, but I think it just felt that way because it was the end of the match. We wouldn't have felt that worried if those things had happened at 60 minutes
 
Ole needs to hammer into Rashford how to play smart at the end. His pass to their goalkeeper was criminal. Even right at the end he was still trying to drive towards the goal.
 
Its a deliberate tactic by us to try and kill a game off by keeping a more attacking team on the pitch than others would.

We get tonnes of opportunities late on as a result, but also ride our luck.

Its a balancing act that Ole seems happy with.
 
For my money we've won 1 league game comfortably this season (Leeds) - all our other wins have been a massive struggle whereby we either needed a late 2nd half goals ourselves to turn it around or we're hanging on for dear life on a 1 goal cushion.

We need to start actually playing well and getting a 2 goal cushion more often, you can't be hanging onto 1 goal leads every single game. I get you can't steamroll teams every game but overall performances are not that of a top team, we'd have more than 1 convincing win if they were.
 
Considering we have won a lot of games by 1 goal - clearly we are doing something right when we try to see out games.
 
As this team gets more experience of doing it, it will become better at it. It's worked that way in terms of coming from behind, for sure.
 
We have definitely improved at seeing out games but sooner or later we will end up drawing a game 2-2 if we can't start scoring a third goal to kill the game off completely
 
No idea why we shit the bed and end up retreating so far back into our box, it just invites pressure.

We got lucky with that dodgy deflection, luck is on our side. We must learn to keep the ball and pass it to waste time rather than just trying to run forward with it all the time.
 
Adam-Utd said:
No idea why we shit the bed and end up retreating so far back into our box, it just invites pressure.

We got lucky with that dodgy deflection, luck is on our side. We must learn to keep the ball and pass it to waste time rather than just trying to run forward with it all the time.
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I personally feel this is due to a lack of subs before the 80 minute mark or so. We need fresh legs to keep that momentum of driving forward up!
This needs to change soon, I have a feeling we are not going to be so fortunate every game and we will get punished sooner or later.
 
chicha14 said:
I personally feel this is due to a lack of subs before the 80 minute mark or so. We need fresh legs to keep that momentum of driving forward up!
This needs to change soon, I have a feeling we are not going to be so fortunate every game and we will get punished sooner or later.
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Yeah we already got punished by Leicester for not getting a 2 goal advantage and with Arsenal's form improving they are more than capable of pegging us back late on if we aren't careful.
 
This was disgrace. We're not champions mentality wise when it matters the most. Defense and De Gea did their best to bottle it hard today.

And what the feck leaving all the subs to waste added time ?
 
You’d think after scoring an own goal last time he was brought on to see out a game the management might have second thoughts about bringing on Tuanzebe again, but oh no. Guess we have to see him do something atrocious one more time to be sure it was a bad idea.
 
It would help if we didn’t end up with single goal leads. It gives the opposition impetus to push for an equaliser because they have nothing left to lose.
 
1. Take your chances and this isn't an issue.

2. Don't stop playing, it puts us under unnecessary pressure.

3. We are shite at set pieces so dont give away cheap corners or fk
 
Can anyone explain why we don’t pass it out from the back when we need to consume some time? The only time we hoof it consistently from De Gea is in injury time.
 
The worst part is that that wasn't even a difficult game to close out. We made it difficult for ourselves by constantly giving away possession, spurning chances, and committing fouls.

Closing out a game is hard when you are up against quality and teams that ping the ball around. What we were up against today was not a side pressing for a winner but our own weak mentality.
 
kouroux said:
Bringing a CB to close out a result is a concept that speaks of cowardice to me. When that CB is one that is wreckless too...
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Bingo. Axel been shocking in his recent appearances. A wreck less sub.

a lot of poor performances at the back tonight, but we got back ahead and lost the result because of a cheap free kick given away.
 
We needed to keep the ball. Bringing on an error prone erratic CB is the last thing we should have done. It invited Everton onto us & risked giving away a stupid foul. Exactly what happens.

It’s never a good sign when the fans see something the managers doesn’t, and we all saw it.
 
Everton weren't even pushing it that hard!!!

Do we even do triangle ball keeping in our training sessions?

How hard could it be? Keep the fecking ball!!!!! Draw a foul. Rinse. And. Repeat.

Feck!
 
Funny thing is, I thought we were doing really well, seeing the game out tonight. Everton didn't have a sniff, we kept the ball in around their half, we won free-kicks... this was actually one of our better performances in terms of overall control and that includes the last 10 minutes, too, when we tend to shit the bed.

But then the Tuanzebe-Maguire combination decided to spice things up a bit.
 
Just don't do the simple things well at the end. AWB spraying a daft ball, rash challenges, just not playing it easy. Then defending appalling. I shouldn't be this shocked because really we nearly conceded at the end against Fulham and Villa. A late equaliser like this was coming.
 
No Bailly, no bingo. He's the only CB that can be relied on to pull us through these moments. No surprise we were doing that in the games he was available for.
 
DickDastardly said:
Everton weren't even pushing it that hard!!!

Do we even do triangle ball keeping in our training sessions?

How hard could it be? Keep the fecking ball!!!!! Draw a foul. Rinse. And. Repeat.

Feck!
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The minute we decided to protect a win instead of playing the same way we were at 2-2, I genuinely had a feeling we'd be fecked. We were just letting them have a free hit with that outlook.
 
We needed to just keep the ball and pass and pass like City do.

We should never have been in the position to defend the free kick in first place if we just kept the ball and pass and pass.
 
The problem is mainly a lack of quality and intelligence in midfield. When the pressure is on, they stop showing properly and stop passing properly. Then the CBs end up passing between themselves and then back to De Gea, there’s a vacuum in midfield and it gets hoofed up the pitch. So fecking annoying.
 
We invite pressure far too often and half the time it’s our own doing, whether it be giving away stupid free kicks in the last minutes or misplaced passes it’s a constant with this team. We desperately need a top CB to come in and bring calmness at the back and to organise our defence properly, cut out these fecking needless, stupid mistakes.
 
Passing is shite, discipline is shite, intelligence is shite and we’re incredibly wasteful on the counter. All that mixed with a shite defence means pissing away points.
 
The core of our defence and De Gea are too nervy and that spreads throughout the team. And then you have the manager making a negative sub and inviting the pressure on which only adds to the nerves and irrational decision making.
 
Things that happened in injury time

1. De Gea caught a ball from a throw in.
2. We had a throw in deep in their half
3. We had a free kick in our own half.

Each time we gave them the ball back pretty much straight away.

We turn into actual raving idiots in injury time.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Things that happened in injury time

1. De Gea caught a ball from a throw in.
2. We had a throw in deep in their half
3. We had a free kick in our own half.

Each time we gave them the ball back pretty much straight away.

We turn into actual raving idiots in injury time.
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The freekick drove me nuts. Cavani won it and took his time getting up - he’s been around the block and did his bit to help see the game out. And De Gea immediately gave it straight back to them! I don’t know what goes through their heads at times, it’s like collective dementia.
 
El Zoido said:
The freekick drove me nuts. Cavani won it and took his time getting up - he’s been around the block and did his bit to help see the game out. And De Gea immediately gave it straight back to them! I don’t know what goes through their heads at times, it’s like collective dementia.
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The catch from the throw-in was the one for me. Any other keeper roles around on the floor and boots it 30 seconds later... But not De Gea, he immediately tries a difficult 60 yard pass... Why? Idiocy, that's why.
 
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