Pogba at his best was still in Juve's shirt. Never though Pirlo was good defensively, Marchisio was also just average.
Sergej Milinkovic Savic
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Not really. Pirlo wasn't useless defensively and Marchisio was pretty good. But then, so was Pogba
Have you seen marchisio in his prime?
He was definitely not average
Pogba, McTominay, Savic would be a strong MF.
Matic, Fred, Garner, Perreira as back up.
Starting any of Fred or Perreria would highlight our low ambition level. I can also understand the Glazers: you just bought a MF for 50m and he is only good enough for the bench?
Matic, Fred, Garner, Perreira as back up.
Starting any of Fred or Perreria would highlight our low ambition level. I can also understand the Glazers: you just bought a MF for 50m and he is only good enough for the bench?
I prefer SMS over Bruno but I would have Erikson as first option
We also just lost 2 midfielders
SMS had a crap last season. He's not all that technical as Bruno. Bruno is a dead ball specialist and will cost 20 odd million cheaper and would gel with Pogba. SMS is seen as a Pogba replacement when in actuality, Ndombele would have made a better Pogba replacement than SMS.
Not according to Sporting's president.
Bruno is a goal scorer and is better equipped in the No. 10 position than Savic. A midfield of Pogba, McTominay and Savic are not agile enough in transition.
And it seems that the club thinks that Fred and Perreira are ready to step up, which is fine if they are happy with position 4-6.
Agile in transition is more about quick feet and thinking, I would be more worried about agility when defending. I prefer Savic over Fernandes but any of them will strengthen us. I rate Savic as a better partner to Pogba than Fernandes.
The club seems more concerned about not spending money rather then what is good for the squad.
Honestly, having watched him more than I probably should have last season (the Mrs doesn’t like me watching every game ever, for obvious reasons!) I think he is massively underrated here, probably due to his World Cup showing.
he’s very good at everything - technique, skill, passing, shooting, tackling, heading. He’d be the perfect player to replace Pogba or play alongside him if Pogba decides to really put in a shift in Midfield.
to me it makes perfect sense to get him in now regardless of what happens with Pogba. If he stays, it’s another quality midfield option and an early replacement for when he’ll most likely go next season and if he goes, then I would say we will still need another player other than SMS.
he’s very good at everything - technique, skill, passing, shooting, tackling, heading. He’d be the perfect player to replace Pogba or play alongside him if Pogba decides to really put in a shift in Midfield.
to me it makes perfect sense to get him in now regardless of what happens with Pogba. If he stays, it’s another quality midfield option and an early replacement for when he’ll most likely go next season and if he goes, then I would say we will still need another player other than SMS.
Eriksen for God sake. He’s only been in the premier league for the last 6 bloody years.
Also I don’t think we’re in for SMS, papers talking crap.
Not technical ,really?
SMS signing is better than Bruno signing for us but he will come only if PP leaves.
Did you watch him the season before as well? The vast majority of those who follow Serie A seem underwhelmed by his performances last year.
Why do you see him as a better partner for Pogba than Fernandes?
Savic and Pogba are way too similar. If Savic was brought in, it would be to replace Pogba and not compliment him as both are not that disciplined when it comes to defending and neither of the two are No. 10 either. Savic and Pogba cannot play in a double pivot either. Partey would function the best in a double pivot with Pogba with Bruno ahead of the two. Bruno has exceptional work rate when it comes to driving up and down the pitch. I wouldn't have any issues with his defending.
I was making a comparison.... It wasn't an absolute statement.
I have zero trust in the Italian and Portugese press. They fabricate fake transfer stories everyday to fill up papers and generate clicks. So far the UK press has reported zilch interest on us being interested in Savic and i tend to go with that though not by much
Only really got in to watching Italian Football this season and I have been impressed in a season where he was apparently not his best. The season before, numbers wise, was much better so I take that as a huge positive!
Lazio in general weren’t that great last year so to stand out still is pretty impressive IMO. He was voted Midfielder of the Year
Bruno is quite good at pressing and has great work rate, but he is hardly recognised for his defending near his own box, is he? And that is hardly Savic's main strength either...It might be that Savic is too similar to Pogba, but Fernandes is to me most effective as a No 10 which we seldom use even though it is bring evaluated.
Savic is of course ideal to replace Pogba and his better physique gives him an edge over Fernandes. IMHO.
Fernandes would also stall the devolpment of Gomes.
Going by the vibes here, Savic is like Fellaini but with a better technical and shooting ability and operates best in the number 10 role?
So nothing like Fellaini then.
I don't know mate. I have only watch his youtube highlights but not his Lazio matches. Watched him in the world cup for Serbia but isn't exactly unforgettable. He does have a good shooting range in the vids
this is a good, short clip that highlights his quality. You can say what you want about YouTube but I always think that’s pretty cynical because you should be able to tell from clips a players natural ability level. There’s shit he does here that proves he’s quality because they are things average players just can’t do (at the top level).
his range and weight of pass is a give away, as is his control and even his ability to know when to tackle. He’s an intelligent player and so much better than anyone we have other than Pogba.
surely he doesn't possess the ability to trap a ball on his chest like the great Fellaini did haha
You are quite right. It actually reminds me a little of Pogba's videos at Juventus. Some of the ball skills, control and the range of passes. Not saying Savic is on par with Pogba's and don't think he will ever be but there's a certain resemblance to it
No they aren't
I hope Pogba stays but I'm wondering if this signing is the key to the Fernandes signing. Sign Savic. Sell Pogba. Use the rest of the Pogba money to pay for most of the Fernandes deal. I'm not sure Savic is Vanilla Pogba but if it triggers the necessary midfield upgrades we need.... Ice, ice...baby...
Racist!
Does he work hard?
Agree. Absolutely no reason the two can't play alongside each other in midfield. Some folks just get into their head that a midfield has to be three players with no shared skilkset.
Not this shit again
Anti Serb racism? Me? Some of my best friends are Serbi..... never mind.
I know youtube is well ummm flattering but how anyone can watch a youtube video of this guy and then make a comparison to Fellani beggars belief
As said they are different type of players
SMS is a Fellaini on steroids. He's got the same attributes ( he's very physical, he's strong in air, he's hardworking etc) and he shares some of his weaknesses (he's slow, he's a no 10 who tend to become less effective in a deeper role etc). The difference is that he's far more technical, he's more comfortable with the ball and his distribution of the ball is decent (though he's faaaaar from a Pirlo). Pogba is different. He's 6ft3 but he could easily be 5ft10 as he doesn't know how to use his body effectively, he's rapid, his distribution of the ball is immense (not his decision making though) and he's not hardworking.
In an ideal world Pogba is a deep lying playmaker while SMS would be his no 10 just behind Rashford. However the world is far from ideal. Pogba's attitude means that he need 2 players close by to operate effectively and I don't think SMS is the ideal for that. My conclusion is that SMS play in a different role then Pogba. However I struggle seeing them play together efficiently.
Honestly, I'm not too sure about Gomes. He may have scored an awesome goal against Spurs but I just don't think he's got what it takes to succeed at United. We've all fallen into the trap of going my pre-season games as a barometer for what to expect from them over the season. Lingard and Periera were outstanding in previous pre-seasons and went on to perform average at best.
What is Savic's workrate like? Does he work harder than Pogba for instance?