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Serie A 90's Draft Round 1 - Idmanager vs Lord SInister
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Agree entirely.
Maldini looks a bit wasted on the left with only Di Livio as an attacking threat...
@Lord SInister who are your reserves? Think 5-3-2 with Leonardo at LWB, Maldini LCB and an AM instead of Conseicao would've been better personally.
@Lord SInister who are your reserves? Think 5-3-2 with Leonardo at LWB, Maldini LCB and an AM instead of Conseicao would've been better personally.
I knew exactly what you meant when you said Ayala needs to be used properly when I picked him. If I didn't have Taribo West, he would have been on the left. The Favalli pick was made with Ayala in mind as well.
Although I agree to an extent, the front 4 have played with each other at some point or the other and I was banking on the real life chemistry.
Ortega+Crespo for example would not be tough to sell.
In hindsight, I agree, 4-2-2-2 was better. Probably much better since EAP's post hits the bulls eye.
But I got way too invested in the Recoba role I wanted to portray and built the rest of it around him.
My unnamed AM approved of the formation as well and hence went with it.
Wanted a discussion around Recoba in that role and whether my understanding of the player was correct.
Leonardo wouldn't have lasted for so long if you could play him there. He never played there for AC Milan and would not have been in the spirit of the draft.
At least I would have snapped him before LS if I could play him there.
I'm not 100% sure, but didn't he start in a similar role in his first season at Milan and alternated with Ziege? He was moved in a more attacking position in his second season, but from memory thought he was pretty close to that role - would need a bit of selling of course
Ziege did play almost 2/3rd of the games that season, so doubt if Leonardo had played there too much if not at all.I'm not 100% sure, but didn't he start in a similar role in his first season at Milan and alternated with Ziege? He was moved in a more attacking position in his second season, but from memory thought he was pretty close to that role - would need a bit of selling of course
From what I know, Leonardo's AC Milan career was limited in the attacking end of the pitch.
An interesting gambit. I can see what Id is thinking with this tactic (although I prefer Rijkaard on the right and Davids on the left) but the Recoba-Ortega positioning seems designed to move them away from Maldini's influence. I thought Sinister would go for a 3 at the back with Maldini at LCB to maximize his influence.
At the same time I can see Sinister's tactic trying to minimize the Rijkaard-Davids tandem, bypassing midfield battles and countering fast. With Leonardo and Conceicao I can see that working. Like the other match, I'll have to think a little more and read discussions on this. It seems like it could come down to which Recoba will show up for the match.
At the same time I can see Sinister's tactic trying to minimize the Rijkaard-Davids tandem, bypassing midfield battles and countering fast. With Leonardo and Conceicao I can see that working. Like the other match, I'll have to think a little more and read discussions on this. It seems like it could come down to which Recoba will show up for the match.
He certainly played in a left midfield role, albeit in a classic 4-4-2 in some games. As I said probably up for interpretation as you don't have a right winger to trouble Maldini so a back three and Maldini as LCB might be the best use of his strengths also free Leonardo in a more attacking role.
Leonardo was not fit to play LWB at that stage of his career. As I said, had turned very one-paced and slowed down Milan's tempo considerably. I actually have it down as the low point of his career.
Leaving Leonardo aside, it's an interesting discussion in that one of my options was Mihajlovic at LWB. He played LW, LM (occasionally with a back three so technically the same) and LB so with a three at the back should have been fine, but I was expecting that to be brought up as an issue.
Any other team and I would have done it, but with Donadoni involved I felt it had to be Benarrivo there. Not that anyone seemed to care at all.
Aye, I don't think he had the workrate and dynamism to be credible as a WB at that point in his career. I think he's okay here as an AM drifting in with Conceicao providing the orthodox width on the other flank. Sort of like a Zidane/Figo-lite deal. It's unfortunate that it leaves a good Winter/Di Matteo duo with all the heavy lifting vs a significantly stronger Rijkaard/Davids duo however. Signori is a matchwinner in this pool, pretty close to the top of the heap really, and although Montella was brilliant too he doesn't look an ideal foil - a stronger, more selfless line leader would have been better imo. The back four is where it comes apart a bit for me. The early change shows a lack of familiarity with the players, which probably should count for something, and there's just very little structure there in general. Playing a specialist full back at CB against a two striker setup doesn't bode well.
For Idmanager, I don't mind the formation graphic at all. It gets the basic idea of a 4-2-2-2 across, and that Rijkaard/Davids duo is strong enough to support that often brittle formation. I don't generally like Di Livio at RB that much, but it was worth a gamble in a pool so short of wingers, and Leonardo isn't going to attack him on the outside too often here. He'll provide good width going forward for sure, so he's an asset in this game. Very good partnership up front too. I don't rate Ayala anywhere close to the top CBs in the pool however, Ortega's body of work in Serie A is very patchy, and it's hard to decide how much credit to give Recoba. He had a very good loan spell for Venezia, but still only made 19 appearances, and around half of his appearances for Inter in the relevant seasons were as a substitute.
What a match! Goals galore in this one, with both managers fielding high quality strike forces and seriously dodgy defences. First Taribo West gives away a free kick and gets a yellow for a nasty tackle, probably pissed off at Montella saying that the weird green things on his head were snakes. Leonardo steps up and curls the free kick into the corner, all while maintaining a quite immaculate hairstyle and leaving several female fans, and Roberto Di Matteo, all in a tizz. 1-0 to Sinister City but hardly a comfortable lead, especially when all four of your defenders started their careers at full back.
Soon Sinister's team of pretty boys are up against it, and the Crespo Salas combination pays off, despite it sounding a bit like something I might have ordered from Carluccio's once for a light lunch. After some superb work from the Oranje midfield, Ortega threads through a perfect ball, Salas rounds the keeper and lays it for Crespo to tap in. 1-1. Maldini is not happy with the three other defenders all marking Recoba just because they prefer right back, especially since Recoba has actually barely moved since kick off, since the ball has annoyingly for him been moving almost constantly all that time. Not his game, apparently.
Still time for more goals before half time, with Signori outpacing West and Ayala with ease and stroking one in, and Crespo replying with a header after Di Livio nearly killed himself with a run the full length of the pitch into the gap at left back created by Maldini filling in for the three right backs.
After the break some of the players look a bit knackered and upset with so many goals, not least Recoba who seems to be doing one of those creepy street statue impressions, until finally the idmanager mingers get a free kick 35 yards out, and wouldn't you know, he only belts it in with his titanium left foot before having to go off 'injured' (couldn't be arsed).
3-2 to the mingers and this time buoyed by Recoba no longer being on the pitch they finally press their considerable midfield advantage, with both Rijkaard and Davids repeatedly bemused at what the feck Aron Winter is doing lined up against them but gradually getting over it and knocking it about for fun. To cap off the scoring, Davids fires in a rocket from 25 yards to make it 4-2 and take the mingers through to the next round, where their strong spine will be a problem for any team, but how do you solve a problem like Recoba?
Soon Sinister's team of pretty boys are up against it, and the Crespo Salas combination pays off, despite it sounding a bit like something I might have ordered from Carluccio's once for a light lunch. After some superb work from the Oranje midfield, Ortega threads through a perfect ball, Salas rounds the keeper and lays it for Crespo to tap in. 1-1. Maldini is not happy with the three other defenders all marking Recoba just because they prefer right back, especially since Recoba has actually barely moved since kick off, since the ball has annoyingly for him been moving almost constantly all that time. Not his game, apparently.
Still time for more goals before half time, with Signori outpacing West and Ayala with ease and stroking one in, and Crespo replying with a header after Di Livio nearly killed himself with a run the full length of the pitch into the gap at left back created by Maldini filling in for the three right backs.
After the break some of the players look a bit knackered and upset with so many goals, not least Recoba who seems to be doing one of those creepy street statue impressions, until finally the idmanager mingers get a free kick 35 yards out, and wouldn't you know, he only belts it in with his titanium left foot before having to go off 'injured' (couldn't be arsed).
3-2 to the mingers and this time buoyed by Recoba no longer being on the pitch they finally press their considerable midfield advantage, with both Rijkaard and Davids repeatedly bemused at what the feck Aron Winter is doing lined up against them but gradually getting over it and knocking it about for fun. To cap off the scoring, Davids fires in a rocket from 25 yards to make it 4-2 and take the mingers through to the next round, where their strong spine will be a problem for any team, but how do you solve a problem like Recoba?
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Poor Paolo
I'm actually stunned Paolo was picked in R1 to play leftback. As far as quality is concerned he belongs right up there, but there's only 1-2 players in the pool that he could be useful to face and not exactly George Best so you could make do with someone like Favalli.
Indeed. Especially this match where you want your best player in the center of things to snuff out the Salas-Crespo combo. That combo is clear from just reading the names and you'd want Paolo in the mix to counter that not left out left sad and alone.
Yeah, it's a shame really because the tactical blueprint was spot on for this game and I can see Signori making serious damage.
I have N'Gotty, and I was seriously messed up this time around.
While it has no bearing on the result here, you MUST name him.
I voted you because the tactics were spot on, but you did indeed make a mess of that backline.
@BeforeKeanetherewasRobson was pretty helpful while drafting when I needed second thoughts although not exactly an AM.
@2mufc0 , please don't take his vote into consideration during my games going ahead.
Congratulations @idmanager
Thanks and cheers mate!
just saw this post.
Yes I just messed up my defense, I kinda lost track from the moment when I went for Winter, after two great picks in Maldini and Signori, while I could have easily taken Deschamps. From that moment I just went haywire
