And here's Anto trying to be all magnanimous by voluntarily opting out.Sheep draft - sajeev vs MDFC Manager
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
And here's Anto trying to be all magnanimous by voluntarily opting out.I'd agree, he wasn't dominant back then, Davids was the one. I think it's more the early promise and excitement of such a young player operating so effectively that leads to the over-crediting. That young and dynamic Ajax midfield, with Rijkaard as the elder statesman bringing them through was mouth-watering. I have to agree at the time you got the impression they would take over the WC/Euros but they never quite managed to amid all the arrogance and infighting we are accustomed to with the Dutch.
I completely agree with Veron's strength as you and antohan talked about earlier. And that I can't dispute against at all, and haven't argued that
And that's spot on about Vieira and Ossie. Them and Veron defend as a unit, not Veron alone as a dedicated DM would attempt to do.
Perhaps i should have put all 3 CMs in a line, in the lineup graphic...
No, the opposite, you said that one had to stay back for Bergkamp. And my point was there's a halfway point between attacking way up the pitch and staying back, which is lingering around the halfway line while the other fullback does push up all the way. That's actually the most common thing, and in drafts we tend to perceive fullbacks to be at one end of the pitch or the other.
It's not like they will get dangerous crosses in all game long, of course. The point though is they entertain your fullbacks, and in the middle you have two proper defenders to sajeev's three. So he is stretching the more vulnerable core, while you are not doing enough stretching of a more robust one, which is what people have been pointing out.
In fairness, I've been FAR more involved with other teams in the past without ever getting the AM tag. In this draft, given its a sheep draft I avoided helping many though, which is what has landed me that tag I guess. Which is fine, of course, and it wasn't about being magnanimous, more the opposite. Last night I went to bed with Sajeev trailing by 4 and I woke up to him being ahead (good job @sajeev) so just wanted to make it clear in case anyone was reserving his vote in case there was any controversy. Fact is, had I voted 2-3 probably would have switched in retaliation!
Good to know I'm supposed to be the AM though, I guess I will spend some more time helping him brush up his tactics, cutting off all that player profile wall fo text stuff and properly formatting his teamsheets
Unlucky @MDFC Manager , great game though. Congrats @sajeev . Now you can start drafting the reinforcements.
That's not good then. I've been far less involved in teams and abstained from voting because of it.
Congrats!
And tough luck, MDFC - you did very well indeed.
Now, who's the turncoat...ruining a perfectly good shootout like that, it ain't proper.
And tough luck, MDFC - you did very well indeed.
Now, who's the turncoat...ruining a perfectly good shootout like that, it ain't proper.
Just for knowledge sakes, how does the penalty shootout happen?
@MDFC Manager great match! I am glad you think you lost on points which didn't make sense which means you truly believed in your team. Bad luck though.
I really think Viera vs Davids would have ended only one way and that would give me the match
I really think Viera vs Davids would have ended only one way and that would give me the match
I don't think the 3 in a line would have made a difference. It's not that Verón looked a DM, it's that what he had to offer (in the same way as Pirlo ain't a DM) was a bit wasted here, while what Márquez had to offer was bloody useful.I completely agree with Veron's strength as you and antohan talked about earlier. And that I can't dispute against at all, and haven't argued that
And that's spot on about Vieira and Ossie. Them and Veron defend as a unit, not Veron alone as a dedicated DM would attempt to do.
Perhaps i should have put all 3 CMs in a line, in the lineup graphic...
I'm sorry if I went on about it quite a bit, but I've been arguing Márquez' case in this setup for several drafts now (@MJJ and @crappycraperson can attest to that) and he never gets his chance to shine. This was exactly the game and setup where he would and I wasn't going to pass on that.
btw who changed teams to give me victory?
Thanks a lot
Thanks a lot
Actually, I often vote against them
Ultimately it's about whether you feel you are being biased or not IMO.PM to the draft master: Five shooters who put the ball LEFT, MIDDLE or RIGHT + five choices by your keeper (LEFT, MIDDLE, RIGHT).
I think it was @The Man Himselfbtw who changed teams to give me victory?
Thanks a lot
Ouch, that would have been a lot of fun!
If you're very very lucky, you'll never find out. My first penalty shoot-out cost me easily 5 years of my life and I needed a new F5 key for my laptop.
And you missed all five of them
I kinda live for thrills like that though. Of course I'd say differently the first time I ended up losing
Naah I didn't change. I voted today, one time only for sajeev.I think it was @The Man Himself
That was the 3rd one, the first one was the one in the World Cup draft against TITO, which I won because Baresi skied it againAnd you missed all five of them
.I'll never forget you beating me in the auction draft. My team was amazing with barely a big name and I had a shit load saved up to spend on reinforcements.That was the 3rd one, the first one was the one in the World Cup draft against TITO, which I won because Baresi skied it again
I had just as much money thoughI'll never forget you beating me in the auction draft. My team was amazing with barely a big name and I had a shit load saved up to spend on reinforcements.
. And got robbed in the next game against MJJ, when Sagna had del Piero in his pocket I had just as much money though
didn't ashley Cole destroy nedved as well in the same game.It was more surprising that Marquez had such a great game against Crespo.
I still don't get it. And I would have added Zidane for Veron after the game, had by far the biggest remaining budget
Was that the one I did? :P
Oi! It's obvious it was down to Nesta that, no need to have a dig at Rafa, not today.
If I remember correctly, Nesta was helping Sagna against del Piero at the same time and yes I'm bitter.
That front six thoughIt was more surprising that Marquez had such a great game against Crespo.
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I still don't get it. And I would have added Zidane for Veron after the game, had by far the biggest remaining budget
In a way my victory was partly yours as well, you did gift me Keane and giggs without whom I wouldn't have won given how low fabregas stock was at that time.
Although if I was voting as a neutral I would have gone for your side, much more balanced.
But it's Nesta! He can keep two in his pocket at the same time, no problem.
First of all, great game @sajeev & @MDFC Manager. I really liked the matchup, and I'm glad to see that the final scoreline reflected how close and tight this match. Great job to both of you.
However, with what I alluded to with regards to this midfield unit, there's lots of aggression and energy to cover large areas of the pitch, but it needed someone who was great at reading the game and taking up good positions to bring the best out of Vieira and Ardiles. Again, I allude back to the point of AC Milan's midfield before 2006/07 and at 2006/07. Before, they missed someone who could read the game well enough to provide the platform for AC Milan's aggressive midfield defensive style. However, once Ambrosini came in, they were more solid in midfield. It's the same case here. Whilst Veron isn't some defensive mug, I believe he would have had a tough time providing that platform against sajeev's cracking midfield and attack. If sajeev had lesser players than Seedorf, Davids, and Rivaldo, I'd swing my vote towards MDFC. However, for this matchup, MDFC needed someone better than Veron for that role, IMO, or someone who'd read the game better than Vieira whilst still providing that energy and aggression.
It's quite obvious that this is what they would do. I would find it strange that people would actually see Veron as a dedicated DM.I completely agree with Veron's strength as you and antohan talked about earlier. And that I can't dispute against at all, and haven't argued that
And that's spot on about Vieira and Ossie. Them and Veron defend as a unit, not Veron alone as a dedicated DM would attempt to do.
Perhaps i should have put all 3 CMs in a line, in the lineup graphic...
However, with what I alluded to with regards to this midfield unit, there's lots of aggression and energy to cover large areas of the pitch, but it needed someone who was great at reading the game and taking up good positions to bring the best out of Vieira and Ardiles. Again, I allude back to the point of AC Milan's midfield before 2006/07 and at 2006/07. Before, they missed someone who could read the game well enough to provide the platform for AC Milan's aggressive midfield defensive style. However, once Ambrosini came in, they were more solid in midfield. It's the same case here. Whilst Veron isn't some defensive mug, I believe he would have had a tough time providing that platform against sajeev's cracking midfield and attack. If sajeev had lesser players than Seedorf, Davids, and Rivaldo, I'd swing my vote towards MDFC. However, for this matchup, MDFC needed someone better than Veron for that role, IMO, or someone who'd read the game better than Vieira whilst still providing that energy and aggression.
Voted for Sajeev but just. MDFC has a good team, and I love van Basten and Zico there. If only he could replace Bergkamp with a more AM player, he'd get mine. As I think Zico should be the SS or more attacking, not as 'provider'.
As a player and as the total package Bossis is clearly the better option. Able to play anywhere and any role in a back 5. Brilliant with the ball, being excellent defensively and the ridiculous versatility which is Ruud Krol like. Give me Bossis over Costacurta anyday.
When I was making those comparisons, it was from a purely defensive perspective and I honestly don't see much between both of them in this aspect.