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Sell ASAP - uncommitted, sloppy in possession, obsessed with himself, not a team player, the sooner he goes the better.
Read my post again please. It's not 'un'. It's 'en'. Tbh this is quite hilarious'It's not the same as a club'
'le club' would be 'the club', 'un club' is 'a club'.
He's saying that the international set up is a different experience to being at a club, or the players' respective clubs, which it obviously is.
'en' means 'in' so what's your point?Read my post again please. It's not 'un'. It's 'en'. Tbh this is quite hilarious
Common, you obviously don't speak or understand French. Please stop'en' means 'in' so what's your point?
He would have to say 'le' to be referencing the club, wouldn't he?
What's hilarious is your desire to be offended.
Not necessarily. It can also mean he feels it more for France.But that all means he doesnt feel enjoyment nor the bond at United, right?
This is a bit harsh. My theory is the injury has taken something away from him. He was good after the restart when everybodys fitness levels were poor but when the intensity picked up he disappeared.Sell ASAP - uncommitted, sloppy in possession, obsessed with himself, not a team player, the sooner he goes the better.
He will be sold in the summer, if there are any takers.I know the age difference etc. But I’d swap him for Ronaldo. Maybe a bit of money in our favour. But either way, we’ll lose Pogba for free in 2 years so we need to think they both have a 2 year life.
I simply asked if anyone remembered what Jose has said about Pogba being touchable?Of course it’s relevant. When a manager spent big on a player, he should be doing more research about the player so you know what type of player you are actually signing and player’s desire/determination to help and play for the club, not just because he has big name.
That's rich.Common, you obviously don't speak or understand French. Please stop
This is exactly what has happened.Bruno joined and showed him right up.
And McT?Even Fred is showing him up.
Effort can beat natural ability sometimes.Even Fred is showing him up.
And AWB? And Rashford? And Maguire? I mean, you could go through the whole team right now. The team, to me, seems very together, committed to the cause and working hard apart from Paul.Even Fred is showing him up.
Yeah but at least I didn't try to look like an expert at something then failed spectacularly at thatThat's rich.
The journalist involved said he wasn't talking about the club and the original quotes have been clarified a number of times by various sources.
You can stick to your contention that he was talking specifically about United but you're wrong.
I simply made a point if Jose doesn’t like and can’t control player who is not discipline then he should not spend 89m on the player in the first place.I simply asked if anyone remembered what Jose has said about Pogba being touchable?
Nowhere was I debating the transfer etc.
I - and I think a lot of other people - get the other parts of the quote. I'm only curious about the bolded part. IIRC, it's pretty ambiguous, but I'm not sure and wondering if an overwhleming majority of french-speaking caftards might lean one way or the other.He is just saying that it's different than being at our respective clubs. He's talking about the enjoyement and bond they all feel together.
I knew straight away this was gonna be interpreted as a dig at Utd We just saw the DM creating clicks with a Rashford non story, the media live for this shit. Generating bullshit out of thin air.
I appreciate that, but I do know that much french. I'm talking about the very specifics of "qu'en", per below.Well it's 'un club' so it's 'a club' rather than any specific club.
He seems to be referencing the fact that the international set up is different to being at a club where you're with your team mates day in day out. They all meet up every so often or 'regroup' and it's good to see everyone again.
There's really nothing in it.
This is how I remember the grammar as well. Although the resultant sentence is still not anywhere near clear cut for me. It's ambiguous. Translated to English it would be like: "It's different to being at club/(uni)." There's no mention of what club, what uni...BUT:Then what should be the correct translation of Ce n'est pas pareil qu'en club?
Oh God. It's not 'un', it's 'en'.
You clearly don't speak or understand French.
So it's his fault if he's 'misquoted, mistranslated, spun by loaded questions etc?'So many times on interational football duty Pogba gets misquoted, mistranslated, spun by loaded questions etc. Pogba could stop all of this by not having interviews or keeping to scripted answers. The fact he continues to have these interviews shows he wants these things to continue as it suits his agenda.
It's not his fault but he has the power to make this stop happening. But he allows for it to continue so either he is stupid and doesn't realise that he is constantly being misquoted or he agrees with the 'misquotation'.So it's his fault if he's 'misquoted, mistranslated, spun by loaded questions etc?'
How regularly is this actually happening and do we know for a fact it is? For all of the things to blame him for, this seems an odd one. Sure he no doubt could do less interviews- he'll be obliged to do certain ones due to his responsibilities to United, the French national team and his sponsors- but he is being singled out here like he is the only player in the world this happens too.It's not his fault but he has the power to make this stop happening. But he allows for it to continue so either he is stupid and doesn't realise that he is constantly being misquoted or he agrees with the 'misquotation'.
A lot of valid points, especially on Pogba’s positional use. He is better higher up the pitch. However, he is worse than Bruno at that position. He earns twice as much as the guy who he lost his place to. It’s bad for team structure which just started to improve now. We can’t use them together, what we do? Sell Bruno or Pogba?Seems fans just pick and choose moments to support players. If Pogba was not here during Solskjaer's initial interim period Ole would not be the manager here because most our unbeaten run up to the PSG fixture was down to Paul's form. Notice during this phase he was played as the sole attacking midfield or a very advanced 8. Since then he's shown a lack of consistency in performances but much of it is also down to his deployment, why would you play a player which such poor defensive discipline in a double pivot role that requires discipline to not leave the back line exposed ?
I look at it as 50 / 50 situation, Pogba has failed to fully utilise all his opportunities while Solskjaer has also mismanaged the player like Mourinho from a coaching and tactical perspective. If the managers insistence is to play a 4-2-3-1 why are people mentioning a DLP how many midfielders are there in world football aside maybe Modric who can utilise that position creatively. There's hardly any at the level we would need considering we don't play well as a unit. We would need a Ndidi type of signing to complement playing alongside either Fred or Mctommimay.
I think Pogba lost his place to Fred/McT rather than Bruno, which is even worse as he should be much better than themA lot of valid points, especially on Pogba’s positional use. He is better higher up the pitch. However, he is worse than Bruno at that position. He earns twice as much as the guy who he lost his place to. It’s bad for team structure which just started to improve now. We can’t use them together, what we do? Sell Bruno or Pogba?
I can't but wonder if this is something Fergie saw in the lad - beyond his obvious talent when he was 18 and wanting more senior playtime. Add to that, that Pogba through fecking Raiola never got to learn humility and to bide his time, as he [Raiola] got Pogba what he wanted when he pointed to it, and then for Juventus to give him all the time he wanted with a tremendous Pirlo next to him to help cover his obvious flaws. I mean, if he had stayed - Fergie might have taught him otherwise and probably could've done a great 'mental work' on him as he grew older with United. SAF probably saw this attitude from a far - sadly!Sell ASAP - uncommitted, sloppy in possession, obsessed with himself, not a team player, the sooner he goes the better.
Nope, Ferguson tried to keep Pogba at the club; it was too late, and Pogba showed he was ready at Juventus.I can't but wonder if this is something Fergie saw in the lad - beyond his obvious talent when he was 18 and wanting more senior playtime. Add to that, that Pogba through fecking Raiola never got to learn humility and to bide his time, as he [Raiola] got Pogba what he wanted when he pointed to it, and then for Juventus to give him all the time he wanted with a tremendous Pirlo next to him to help cover his obvious flaws. I mean, if he had stayed - Fergie might have taught him otherwise and probably could've done a great 'mental work' on him as he grew older with United. SAF probably saw this attitude from a far - sadly!
To be fair, when Pogba played under Ole as interim manager, Pogba showed poor performance against PSG first leg and we lost the match, we managed to win the second leg without Pogba and since then, Pogba played 12 matches without changing his role and only scored 2 goals & 0 assist and those 2 goals was in one game against West Ham and he scored both them from penalty. At the end of the day, he disappeared in those 12 matches despite of playing in advanced position and never really step up like Bruno was last season.Seems fans just pick and choose moments to support players. If Pogba was not here during Solskjaer's initial interim period Ole would not be the manager here because most our unbeaten run up to the PSG fixture was down to Paul's form. Notice during this phase he was played as the sole attacking midfield or a very advanced 8. Since then he's shown a lack of consistency in performances but much of it is also down to his deployment, why would you play a player which such poor defensive discipline in a double pivot role that requires discipline to not leave the back line exposed ?
I look at it as 50 / 50 situation, Pogba has failed to fully utilise all his opportunities while Solskjaer has also mismanaged the player like Mourinho from a coaching and tactical perspective. If the managers insistence is to play a 4-2-3-1 why are people mentioning a DLP how many midfielders are there in world football aside maybe Modric who can utilise that position creatively. There's hardly any at the level we would need considering we don't play well as a unit. We would need a Ndidi type of signing to complement playing alongside either Fred or Mctommimay.
McFred was a forced move, in my opinion, exactly because Paul was injured. Bruno also came during that period. They grabbed the chance with both legs and established themselves as important squad members. But when Paul recovered, he was back in the team (already behind Bruno) and was doing pretty well for a couple of months. Until he decided he is too tired or he had too much of dirty work, or whatever he thought.I think Pogba lost his place to Fred/McT rather than Bruno, which is even worse as he should be much better than them
The reason why Ole ditched the 4-3-3 was because it simply wasn't sustainable with the players we had, especially when Herrera left. Added to this, is that playing Pogba as the 10 in a 4-2-3-1 also massively imbalanced the team defensively. Just because he's the 10, doesn't mean that he's free from defensive duties - it isn't 1995 anymore. The modern 10 leads the press from the front, and Pogba just isn't interested in that. Look at the application of Bruno when he's played there and compare it to Pogba. It's a night and day's difference. Even with a manic Bruno now here, we still don't have that mobile defensive midfielder who can be trusted to cover the passing lanes that are opened up when Pogba and Bruno are further up the pitch. Look what happened when Matic was the defensive player in a midfield diamond against Istanbul, and that was in a system where he ostensibly should have had more protection. Now imagine if it's just him alone and Pogba and Bruno - it'll never work.Seems fans just pick and choose moments to support players. If Pogba was not here during Solskjaer's initial interim period Ole would not be the manager here because most our unbeaten run up to the PSG fixture was down to Paul's form. Notice during this phase he was played as the sole attacking midfield or a very advanced 8. Since then he's shown a lack of consistency in performances but much of it is also down to his deployment, why would you play a player which such poor defensive discipline in a double pivot role that requires discipline to not leave the back line exposed ?
I look at it as 50 / 50 situation, Pogba has failed to fully utilise all his opportunities while Solskjaer has also mismanaged the player like Mourinho from a coaching and tactical perspective. If the managers insistence is to play a 4-2-3-1 why are people mentioning a DLP how many midfielders are there in world football aside maybe Modric who can utilise that position creatively. There's hardly any at the level we would need considering we don't play well as a unit. We would need a Ndidi type of signing to complement playing alongside either Fred or Mctommimay.
Which means the intent for Ole was to keep playing both, therefore Bruno wasn't really the one who benched Paul.McFred was a forced move, in my opinion, exactly because Paul was injured. Bruno also came during that period. They grabbed the chance with both legs and established themselves as important squad members. But when Paul recovered, he was back in the team (already behind Bruno) and was doing pretty well for a couple of months. Until he decided he is too tired or he had too much of dirty work, or whatever he thought.
the excitement about Pogba was that he seemed to be a “player who can perform everywhere” (Mourinho words iirc). But in reality, he lost all his potential workplaces to teammmates who are more specialized and, so to say, deliver craft consistently rather an odd masterpiece one in a while.
In short, he could play anywhere in midfield but ended up being nowhere. I’m concerned about VdB who is also “versatile”.
well, yes Hard to argue with this if we discuss Ole’s plans and how they changed. There was certain sequence of events in reality which unfolded in the way you described.Which means the intent for Ole was to keep playing both, therefore Bruno wasn't really the one who benched Paul.
I agree indeed. He lost that role, he lost the organizer of midfield role (number 8) and thank God he was never considered as a 6 eitherwell, yes Hard to argue with this if we discuss Ole’s plans and how they changed. There was certain sequence of events in reality which unfolded in the way you described.
My point is a more of observation of internal competition between squad members in terms of functionality. I’m highlighting the fact that on paper Paul was expected to outshine anybody anywhere in midfield and in reality he can’t play anywhere for us. If you agree with this thesis than you should accept that Paul lost his place as the main creator to Bruno.