Yes and no. The keeper does ultimately have the least amount of impact of all the players, but it's still a fairly significant impact. Watch how possession-based teams actively use their keeper to create a situation that they have numerical advantage, which makes it much easier to then progress the ball.I agree.. but playing out from the back/sweeping only helps a team that can keep possession. It’s starts with the 10 outfield players, the keeper is the last past.
What you say is true. But imo for systems like City, Liverpool (not this year so much), Brighton, Arsenal etc to work the most important part is the 10 outfield players. ETH is sorting that. As we’ve seen and I don’t think he gets credit for Bruno has been much improved this year as a playmaker and less wasteful in possession. Maybe it’s down to ETH playing him deeper and in a position where he might have more time and space on the ball.Yes and no. The keeper does ultimately have the least amount of impact of all the players, but it's still a fairly significant impact. Watch how possession-based teams actively use their keeper to create a situation that they have numerical advantage, which makes it much easier to then progress the ball.
We saw it with Brighton and Sanchez yesterday. There were numerous times that Sanchez was quite obviously trying to get one of our players to push up and press him, which would instantly create extra space somewhere else on the field that Brighton quickly took advantage of to play into. Martial presses Sanchez, Bruno pushes up to cover one of the centrebacks, suddenly Brighton outnumber us in the middle of the park and Sanchez either plays a through ball directly there or to one of the open defenders who then passes it into the middle. Or out wide if the space is there. The best possession keepers actively invite pressure as they know the closer the player is to them the more space he's leaving behind. Obviously it will result in a mistake once in a blue moon, but the benefits of constantly getting those moments of numerical advantage multiple times every game over the course of the season should significantly outweigh that.
Meanwhile De Gea panics anytime theirs an opposition player remotely near him and just boots it straight to the other team. Hell, he'll regularly do it even without being put under pressure.
Do you even have the slightest idea how poor De Gea has been over not just one or two seasons but four or five seasons compared with the ones you mentioned like Ederson and Allison ?Voted yes.
We can probably get a keeper who does the ‘newly fashionable’ keeper stuff.. but will we get a keeper who is 10% the shot stopper he is?
People forget the problem that City had with Bravo and he replaced an inferior keeper to DDG in Joe Hart.
Also Allison and Ederson are not in the same class as shot stopper as DDG. I think with Liverpool struggling we see how much these keepers need to be in a dominating team.
Not to pick on any one post in particular, but I find it genuinely mad that there are people in 2023 who think Allison is not as good as De Gea at shot-stopping. He's miles better and has been pretty much since he came to the Premier League. It's not even a debate outside of United forums and fan accounts, tbh.Voted yes.
We can probably get a keeper who does the ‘newly fashionable’ keeper stuff.. but will we get a keeper who is 10% the shot stopper he is?
People forget the problem that City had with Bravo and he replaced an inferior keeper to DDG in Joe Hart.
Also Allison and Ederson are not in the same class as shot stopper as DDG. I think with Liverpool struggling we see how much these keepers need to be in a dominating team.
This. I find it odd that after a game where De Gea makes a few routine saves and keeps a clean sheet, you see people saying "good luck finding a keeper who will save you as many points as De Gea has this season". Literally over half of the keepers in the Premier League are better than him at shot stopping these days. And almost all of them are better at commanding their area and distribution. De Gea is costing us points by being deficient in those attributes.Not to pick on any one post in particular, but I find it genuinely mad that there are people in 2023 who think Allison is not as good at De Gea at shot-stopping. He's miles better and has been pretty much since he came to the Premier League. It's not even a debate outside of United forums and fan accounts, tbh.
Everyone knows by now that Ederson is an average to above-average shot-stopper with some glaring deficiencies. And even then, in the six seasons they've both been in the PL, he's marginally outperformed De Gea at shot-stopping three times.
Because, and this is the key thing a lot of people don't realize (and, to be quite honest, I think it's because the majority of fans just don't understand the goalkeeping position well enough) is that De Gea hasn't been an elite shot-stopper for five years now. It's not the "newly fashionable" stuff he struggles with - he's middle of the road at shot-stopping and woeful at everything else.
I don't think Sanchez is any better than De Gea in the game. He just passes the ball to the CB and the outfield players do the rest. When he takes long kick it often misses the target, just like De Gea.Still a no for me. Even on half his current wages, it'd be too expensive.
People like to talk about his shot stopping ability, but just from the Brighton game alone, you can see there are keepers out there who can makes saves but still offer something with the ball at their feet. Sanchez's save from Rashford's deflected shot is something De Gea's people will say nobody else but the latter can do.
Giving too much power to Managers when it comes to player recruitment and contract extensions is the reason why United find themselves with Such bloated and substandard squad .If Erik fancies him to do the job going forward then he will be offered a new contract and if he does not then we will see a new face between the sticks next season.
It is not as if we are looking at a player that is not at the club and we have to see if he can adapt to everything and Erik has to then see if he is up to it or not as Erik has worked with big Dave and knows exactly what he is about.
When it comes to other players that we have brought to the club that Erik is familiar with we have relied on the judgement of Erik that they will come good so if he feels that Dave can make the adjustments to fit the way he wants the team to play then in Erik we need to trust.
It really understates the importance of goalkeeper in progressing the ball in first phase. It’s the main reason we have been always under the huge pressure when any opponent presses high against us. Putting Sanchez in our team. It will be day and night difference.What you say is true. But imo for systems like City, Liverpool (not this year so much), Brighton, Arsenal etc to work the most important part is the 10 outfield players. ETH is sorting that. As we’ve seen and I don’t think he gets credit for Bruno has been much improved this year as a playmaker and less wasteful in possession. Maybe it’s down to ETH playing him deeper and in a position where he might have more time and space on the ball.
But we are still often wasteful in possession. If we had a board that would allow ETH to make system signings then yeah I’d be up for taking the gamble and replacing DDG. But as we’ve seen he’s not been allowed to sell AWB, who despite being hugely improved under ETH is not the ball playing type of RB ETH really wants.
Really you only get rid of a keeper like DDG if you have a board that 1) allow you to tailor your entire squad to the system 2) well let you get rid of the replacement keeper if it doesn’t work out. As we’ve seen keepers are often the hardest signings to get right.
I do not see how it is bloated as we need a big squad to compete in all of the competitions that all the big clubs compete in.Giving too much power to Managers when it comes to player recruitment and contract extensions is the reason why United find themselves with Such bloated and substandard squad .
Managers input should always be factored in but final decision should be taken by likes of Murtough and Co , it's his job and if he isn't upto it get somebody who is .
That's my point. Why should we pay him big wages to do what almost every other goalkeeper can do? Time to move on. Don't renew his contract.I don't think Sanchez is any better than De Gea in the game. He just passes the ball to the CB and the outfield players do the rest. When he takes long kick it often misses the target, just like De Gea.
That's exactly my point about De Gea's extension Ten Hag may be happy to work with him despite his limitations , but his contract is up and it seems he still wants pretty high wages relative to his quality frankly speaking he is a average keeper.I do not see how it is bloated as we need a big squad to compete in all of the competitions that all the big clubs compete in.
I think when it comes to player recruitment that the club should make the manager fully aware of what the budget is for any window and then they need to know the positions the manager wants to strengthen in and how to balance that budget together so we do not get a case of spending 200mil on a winger, midfielder and a CB and then Erik saying that he needs a striker.
Of course we have to back the manager in what he wants at the club but the board have to have the final say in what is value and what is not.
Many moons ago Bobby Robson wanted Shearer at Barcelona but he could not have him and he had to take Ronaldo as second choice...not a bad second choice.
If ETH and Murtough sign off on this, questions will need to be asked.Reports coming that the extension is close. Unacceptable, and a serious mistake from ETH even if it's on reduced wages. De Gea is a poor keeper and even worse for any team looking to control possession and dominate matches.
Well let us say then that he gets those numbers then and that is around 10mil a year for three years.That's exactly my point about De Gea's extension Ten Hag may be happy to work with him despite his limitations , but his contract is up and it seems he still wants pretty high wages relative to his quality frankly speaking he is a average keeper.
Now if due to Ten Hag insistence and our other priorities we end up caving in and giving him let's say 200 k a week wages for Next 3 years what happens then do we persist with him for whole duration of his contract or have another average player on big wages as back up when we do have funds to replace him .
Is this serious?Pickford is the future
No we don’t. More like one defender and two midfielders.We need at least 3-4 defenders, 3-4 midfielders and at least one striker.
This is the reality. Pickford or de gea.Is this serious?
If ETH wants him to extend it'll be less clear he does want to control possession and dominate matchesReports coming that the extension is close. Unacceptable, and a serious mistake from ETH even if it's on reduced wages. De Gea is a poor keeper and even worse for any team looking to control possession and dominate matches.
I think it’s been clear for a long while this would happen. We’ve just been collectively in denial hoping the club and the manager would show sense for onceReports coming that the extension is close. Unacceptable, and a serious mistake from ETH even if it's on reduced wages. De Gea is a poor keeper and even worse for any team looking to control possession and dominate matches.
Not going to agree that 8 defenders are enough for a whole season. You need at least 10. Let's say that 6 midfielders are enough. That means 2 defenders and 2 midfielders, add to that at least 1 striker.No we don’t. More like one defender and two midfielders.
CB: Lisandro, Varane, ”Timber”, Lindelöf (Shaw)
RB: Awb, Dalot
LB: Shaw, Malacia (Dalot)
CM: Casemiro, Eriksen, Fred, ”Lavia”, Bruno, Mainoo
CAM: Bruno, X, Eriksen, Diallo?
A striker and goalie should be our top priorities.
The reality is Pickford or De Gea? Is this a reality you conjured up in your head?This is the reality. Pickford or de gea.
It absolutely isn't. Pickford is also shite and wouldn't be worth spending money onThis is the reality. Pickford or de gea.
Bazunu has had an awful season. He needs to prove he's good enough for Southampton first.I'm all for DDG getting a new contract albeit I do know his time is coming to an end as well.
We should get that young Irish keeper at Southampton Bazunu in and he should be cheap as well. Phase him in and DDG out over a couple of seasons. He looks a prospect
He's in an awful side. I've seen a few games this season and he played well and he was good last season. But saying that if you've seen him all season and he's been rubbish most of the time fair enough, I've only seen a few games and he performed well.Bazunu has had an awful season. He needs to prove he's good enough for Southampton first.
I’ll prove my point about the 10 outfield players.It really understates the importance of goalkeeper in progressing the ball in first phase. It’s the main reason we have been always under the huge pressure when any opponent presses high against us. Putting Sanchez in our team. It will be day and night difference.
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