Sky Sources : Blind and Mata set to leave this summer.

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I really don't understand this place sometimes. Blind has probably been our best value signing post Moyes. Why some are happy at this news is beyond me. I mean fair enough, he's probably not good enough to play CB for us long term, but he's a better LB and CB than Rojo for example. Blind's the exact type of Park, O'Shea, Jones/P Neville type of player that will play 40 games a season easily and be a solid player over the season without being one of our best performers. We'd probably end up replacing him with some random Mendes client plucked from the Portuguese league on double the wages.

Mata I can understand. He's the modern day Berbatov (masked by a lack of Ronaldo etc) where you either need to build the team around him or accept he's not worth using off the bench or in the XI.
 
Eugenius said:
I really don't understand this place sometimes. Blind has probably been our best value signing post Moyes. Why some are happy at this news is beyond me. I mean fair enough, he's probably not good enough to play CB for us long term, but he's a better LB and CB than Rojo for example. Blind's the exact type of Park, O'Shea, Jones/P Neville type of player that will play 40 games a season easily and be a solid player over the season without being one of our best performers. We'd probably end up replacing him with some random Mendes client plucked from the Portuguese league on double the wages.

Mata I can understand. He's the modern day Berbatov (masked by a lack of Ronaldo etc) where you either need to build the team around him or accept he's not worth using off the bench or in the XI.
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Mourinho isn't signing any players from the Portuguese league.

Borthwick Jackson will most likely be backup to Shaw. Don't know why people keep mentioning Rojo and Fellaini into this. I doubt Mourinho is going to get rid of just two players. So why are people certain Rojo is going to stay?
 
jesperjaap said:
I have to be honest, was and never have been a big fan of Carrick. I have appreciated him more in the latter years. He is a decent intelligent player who has done well for us, personally I think he has been a bit over rated though. By the same token so has Blind by a lot of fans, not his fault he has been moved back to defence but he has been generally average there and often awful. His best position is as a central midfielder from what I have seen of him.....but he isn't top drawer, I would compare him there to Bryan Robson though.....when he was injured
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I quite like players like carrick and i dont think players like him are that common.

Linkage said:
Has he come out and said anything about being unhappy with LVGs sacking? Or is it just an assumption?

Also, about Blind not seeing it coming.. was a joke.
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He gave an interview after the sacking and he wasn't impressed.

Bojan11 said:
Mourinho isn't signing any players from the Portuguese league.

Borthwick Jackson will most likely be backup to Shaw. Don't know why people keep mentioning Rojo and Fellaini into this. I doubt Mourinho is going to get rid of just two players. So why are people certain Rojo is going to stay?
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Unless were going out and buying half a dozen players (yet again) then some of these guys are going to be needed.
Personally, i'd rather we bought just 3 players, 4 at most. And i dont think any of them would be replacing our current players as opposed to supplementing them.
Maybe replace Phil Jones but i'd be inclined to give him one more year.
I just dont have the appetite for a complete overhaul of the squad. I'd rather give the players we've just bought a chance to settle a tiny bit.
 
RedSky said:
As a great man once said:

Insanity is slowly creeping into our minds, where is yesterday? Cos people ain't the same! Have we lost the faith or have we lost our minds?
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Was it you? Did you say that?
 
Insanity said:
Ahh...we got a comedian..

Kidding!

We made 13 signings in the last two seasons windows. We made 5 + 2 (youngsters) in Fergie's last season with us. So yeah, I don't think 6 is an outrageous number and beyond the realms of possibility.
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I hope so brother! I'd love it if we went nuts and signed plenty of world class players
 
Blind is so unMou type of player. He's the defensive version of Mata, albeit not the same quality. He's short, weak and slow. Wouldn't be fussed at all if he's sold.
 
Duafc said:
So the standard he set twice in 26 years?

Same fergie who relied heavily on players like Oshea, Brown, Berg, Park, Valencia, Rafael, Giggs in CM, Butt, Johnson etc etc etc etc.

Bit of an unrealistic expectation.

So many United fans just want us to go out and buy all the biggest names, ironically you were probably the fans who cried for Mata and celebrated his 35m (?) transfer and now proclaim him dead weight for who? James? Some other 50mill flavour of the month to reach Cl glory with.

Absolute nonsense and @Bojan11 is agreeing with it!

Never been what United and particularly Fergie was all about. Using two years in a 26 year reign as an example of your point is so unbelievably wrong it's gob smacking.

Just sounds so entitled and childish it's untrue.
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First of all we should be aspiring to compete with Real, Bayern, and Barca in Europe. Not finishing 4th in the league and happy with an FA Cup win over Crystal Palace.
I never liked Mata as I think he slows the game down too much. Blind is a player who's good technically, has an eye for a pass, but I don't think he offers a whole lot more than Fasu-Mensah, I dont think that he's good enough to keep around if there's a youth player on the bench because of him.

Giggs played in CM for a couple of seasons on and off towards the end of his career, all the players you mentioned with the exception of Johnson and Park where only relied upon when other players got injured or needed a rest for the majority of their time at United.
I'm not one of those fans who want us to do a Real and buy two players for every position.
 
caid said:
He gave an interview after the sacking and he wasn't impressed.
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Okay I just read the interview, if he was impressed with the season LVG had & feels he was treated unfairly. Daley Blind should be the first one shown out of the door.
 
Playing Blind at CB and Mata on the right wing demonstrated a strong commitment to mediocrity. Whatever our objective - winning the PL or getting in the top 4 - they could only be a hinderance. Covering for Blind placed an almost intolerable load on Smalling - led to his slowly crumbling towards the end of the season. No matter how good his positional play, Blind is always going to be small, slow and (relatively) weak. I can't imagine that any other higher echelon club would ever consider playing him at CB. And Mata was an attack killer throughout the season. Any time a quick break moved the ball to the right, Mata could be guaranteed to check back, turn inside, run the ball half way across the pitch, and then pass the ball to the left back - end of attack. Perhaps he did this under instructions - I don't know - what I do know is that I never want to see him do it again. I won't deny that both had outstanding moments, and even games, but, taking the season as a whole, together they were a lead weight dragging down any ambitions we might have had.
 
I don't know why people find this so hard to comprehend. He's not a CB. No sane manager is going to play him there, let alone for an entire fecking season. He's a good LB, granted, but we already have Shaw and CBJ there so it's not like we're short of options. He was a headless chicken in midfield last season and nowhere near good enough. And while he can consider himself really unlucky if he's binned in favour of someone like Rojo, in isolation, getting rid of Blind is hardly a loss.
 
Blind can do a job in several positions and while he shouldn't be a starter, he can in times of injury and rotation play adequately in a few positions which is vital to playing around 50 games a season. If he doesn't want to be a squad player then fair enough but I don't see the point to get rid. I hope we do bring in better players in CM and CB
 
It's hard to accept in a way but Blind had some astonishingly poor performances at times this season at CB and I could definitely get behind replacing him - however he has generally for the most part been good, and was pretty excellent as a DM at times last season too. It's a tough call but I'd not be too disappointed to see him go, as long as his replacement, whoever it was, was better - or even just, for instance, a proper centre back. It's rare we've had that over LVG's tenure!

Mata on the other hand is a difficult decision as a fan, because he's such a fantastic guy, but he's gone missing far too often for us. If we could get decent money I'd definitely let him go.

These are the decisions that are going to make or break Mourinho however. If he intends to put his stamp on us as a team then guys like Blind and Mata won't fit his 'philosophy' well enough to justify keeping around.

It's all presumably paper talk though. Good 'guesswork' and assumptions.
 
Blind had a better season than Smalling tbf, though I would replace him at CB. Wouldn't mind seeing him as one of our two in midfield. Good at reading the game and is willing to step forward when required.
 
horsechoker said:
Blind can do a job in several positions and while he shouldn't be a starter, he can in times of injury and rotation play adequately in a few positions which is vital to playing around 50 games a season. If he doesn't want to be a squad player then fair enough but I don't see the point to get rid. I hope we do bring in better players in CM and CB
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I don't like to see Blind at CB and I doubt Jose would either. He's not a CB even a backup one and prone to being bullied there and will always be a weak link. Apart from that in central midfield we have IMO better options in the squad that would come before him. At LB he'll most likely be 3rd choice again. What's the point of keeping him if we can get a decent return this year?
 
i don't understand why we wouldn't want to at least keep blind as an option on the bench... he's an intelligent passer, is extremely durable and has settled into the team nicely over the two years he's been here. i agree he shouldn't be an automatic starter but why would it be bad to keep him on hand?
 
caisenma said:
i don't understand why we wouldn't want to at least keep blind as an option on the bench... he's an intelligent passer, is extremely durable and has settled into the team nicely over the two years he's been here. i agree he shouldn't be an automatic starter but why would it be bad to keep him on hand?
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I agree, there's at least 5 players I'd cut from the squad before even considering letting Blind go.
 
Sport saying Depay is also on the list.

Good to see Jose getting rid of all the average.
 
Bojan11 said:
Sport saying Depay is also on the list.

Good to see Jose getting rid of all the average.
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Wouldn't surprise me if the Mata, Blind, Memphis stuff is all made up. Jose just took over so its highly unlikely he has revealed his transfer plans, much less they were somehow accurately leaked to the clickbait press.
 
Raoul said:
Next year will be Memphis' fork in the road year imo - which will decide whether he goes down the Quaresma or Ronaldo road for the rest of his career.
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Indeed. I'm hoping that with the change in manager that he might prosper under Mourinho; his best performances did seem to come when we had lots of space to run into or on counter-attacks, and he struggled in games where we were having 60-70% possession against a deep defensive line.
 
Red-Man-Walking said:
Reminder that Anderson had 8 (EIGHT!!!) years at the club, Memphis should get one more.
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Anderson showed more promise in one game against Arsenal than Depay has all season. Anderson had the ability. He just got injured too much and was fat. Fergie would have turfed him out quicker in the 90s. He was less ruthless in his latter years.

The fact that Depay turns up against the likes of Brugge and Midjyland yet disappears at the sight of facing any average fullback in premier league is alarming.

It's not a confidence issue with him. So why was he piss poor from September to March. Suddenly turns it on against Midjyland and disappears again. I don't think he's good at taking players on like Martial is. He isn't really fast.

My worry with Depay is that I don't see anything that stands out about him. What's he good at?
 
Red-Man-Walking said:
Indeed. I'm hoping that with the change in manager that he might prosper under Mourinho; his best performances did seem to come when we had lots of space to run into or on counter-attacks, and he struggled in games where we were having 60-70% possession against a deep defensive line.
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You do realise most the teams will play the exact same way by parking the bus and we'd still need to break them down. We not going to be sitting back with 10 men behind the ball and waiting for the counter. Most the games will consist of us being on the front foot.

Under Mourinho there will be more risk to our play. But Depay was one of the few players who had freedom from Van Gaal.
 
RDCR07 said:
In that case lets get rid of the entire squad bar Martial and De Gea.:rolleyes:
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To be fair the only thing almost as exciting as a big name signing for your average muppet is a good old squad clear out. Because it could spark a huge spending spree and influx of new signings.

Last year Van Gaal shipped out 10-12 players and loads of them rejoiced, ''Yay finally we get rid of all the deadwood''. Six months later ''This squad is so full of deadwood, we need a good clear out''.
 
stevoc said:
To be fair the only thing almost as exciting as a big name signing for your average muppet is a good old squad clear out. Because it could spark a huge spending spree and influx of new signings.

Last year Van Gaal shipped out 10-12 players and loads of them rejoiced, ''Yay finally we get rid of all the deadwood''. Six months later ''This squad is so full of deadwood, we need a good clear out''.
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We are talking about players in a season where 90% of them were shit. Its the manager and the system that was more to blame. We have to give the likes of Morgan and Depay one more season before we can properly judge them.
 
RDCR07 said:
We are talking about players in a season where 90% of them were shit. Its the manager and the system that was more to blame. We have to give the likes of Morgan and Depay one more season before we can properly judge them.
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Definitely mate i agree, we can't afford another huge squad clear out. Financially it would be throwing more money down the toilet and more upheaval and player turnover will affect morale and then the team will need another few months to gel and get used to each other again.

Van Gaal sold and bought so many players that at times especially last season it looked like a bunch of strangers out there who had never played together before.
 
stevoc said:
To be fair the only thing almost as exciting as a big name signing for your average muppet is a good old squad clear out. Because it could spark a huge spending spree and influx of new signings.

Last year Van Gaal shipped out 10-12 players and loads of them rejoiced, ''Yay finally we get rid of all the deadwood''. Six months later ''This squad is so full of deadwood, we need a good clear out''.
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I didn't rejoice as he imbalanced the squad by not signing a CB or striker. Whilst letting go of CBs and strikers. Not sure you were paying attention. But the Caf was in meltdown when we weren't signing a striker or CB near the end of August.

Also stop saying LVG done this or that. Mourinho isn't a fool when it comes to squad building. He's built a good squad whenever he has been. Its a totally different situation. We have a manager who has been assessing the squad basically since December. I am sure he has a clear picture of who he wants in and out. If he wants to get rid of Mata, Blind and Depay. So what? I trust Jose to bring in better players. Some would think we getting rid of peak Ferdinand, Keane and Giggs.
 
How many of our players are over 6ft anyway?
Smalling, Fellaini, Schneiderlin ... anyone else? Shaw, Martial?
 
MileHighRed said:
Blind is a player who's good technically, has an eye for a pass, but I don't think he offers a whole lot more than Fasu-Mensah, I dont think that he's good enough to keep around if there's a youth player on the bench because of him
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I understand what you're saying, but it's the other way around. The youth player isn't on the bench because of Blind, Blind is on the pitch because of the youth player. In other words, the youth player isn't good enough yet to take his place. I don't think any manager will ignore a kid if the kid is good enough.
 
DarkXaero said:
Oh, I hadn't seen this before, I stand corrected. I remember Daley Blind's comments on LVG's sacking where he criticized us.
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Other articles have more quotes. Think I read it in the guardian originally
 
ChaddyP said:
Shaw, Darmian, Rojo, de gea :wenger:, Carrick, Jones off the top of my head
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Martial and Rashford are both 5'11. Maybe they can both grown an inch and it becomes a non issue.

We actually have loads of players who are 5'11 - would that not offset the need to have 5 6ft+ players
 
stevoc said:
Definitely mate i agree, we can't afford another huge squad clear out. Financially it would be throwing more money down the toilet and more upheaval and player turnover will affect morale and then the team will need another few months to gel and get used to each other again.

Van Gaal sold and bought so many players that at times especially last season it looked like a bunch of strangers out there who had never played together before.
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That was more down to LVGs tactic.

Your post again doesn't make sense. We can't afford a clear out. What if Depay and Mata are poor again? Their value is going to drop even lower and we going to make a bigger loss. So how is that good business sense? Good business is if the manager doesn't rate the player, get rid of him and make the small loss.

Again Real Madrid didn't look like a team when Mourinho arrived. They were a bunch of superstars thrown together. Chelsea signed 6 players the summer Mourinho came.

Inter signed Pandev, Eto, Sneidjer, Lucio, Motta, Milito and Armautovic in 2009. Guess who coached them? 6 of those players started in the champions league final. So Mourinho isn't stupid. He can build a squad with 6 or 7 in. He's proved that at every club.

You think Guardiola is going to be happy with the City squad? Expect him to get rid of the likes of Mangala, Delph, Bony, Navas and Kolorov.
 
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