So... Was it a red? (Casemiro / Hughes Royal Rumble)

[OverratedOpinion]

His hands clearly fell on his neck. It's just a storm in a teacup

This is what I thought. He was moving Hughes away with his hand on his shoulders then cause Hughes was pushing into him his hands slipped onto his neck and (stupidly) Casemiro kept pushing him away still.

His hands were on his neck for about 1 full second from what I saw and he was very clearly not trying to choke him. He then very quickly put his hands up with his palms showing and was trying to calm him down.

I feel like dozens of very slow motion replays 1 after the other make it look like he was trying to choke him when that clearly wasn't the case.

 

[SER19]

Are we talking about the Ayew punch in Fred's neck? Because absolutely no media source is

 

[Nick7]

Fred slapped someone too.

 

[Catt]

Yes

 

[RuudtheRed]

Yeah, you don't do that unless someone asks you to.

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It was a red, unfortunately, but the slow motion replay in VAR made it look worse than it actually was.

 

[stoinz]

It was stupid and nearly cost us the game but I missed players like this. Case was first in the palace players were surrounding Antony.

 

[Waynne]

Possibly, but shouldn't VAR only intervene for a clear and obvious error. I don't think it was either. Happy that we've got a team that sticks up for each other.

There are better ways to stick up for your mates than having your hand around an opposition players neck.

You just can't do that nowadays. It's not WWE like it used to be 30 years ago.

 

[RedCurry]

You freeze the frame, it’s a red. You watch it happen in real time, it’s not a red.

 

[sglowrider]

Not a red. If that were the case, then Andy Carroll should be banned for life.

 

[Nick7]

Obvious red.

Antony being a dickhead caused this by the way.

No he didn’t. Casemiro caused the red card.

 

[hasanejaz88]

By the books yes, but I hope the refs allow players to play by emotions a bit more. It was stupid but hardly very endangering to the players safety, certainly less so than Schlupp's push on Antony.

 

[Baneofthegame]

One hand is probably fine for everyone else.

 

[OldSchoolManc]

Edited VAR for the referee to make it look worse than it was, but still shouldn’t have had hold of his collars.
Should have been at least a red for Palace too if that was fair.

 

[brian017]

Is it a red? Yes. Is it violent conduct? No

 

[Annihilate Now!]

By the letter of the law yes...

By what should actually constitute a red card? Nah... These reds for hands on the face are pathetic. There's zero lasting damage...unlike a certain bad tackle from behind

 

[Amarsdd]

You freeze the frame, it’s a red. You watch it happen in real time, it’s not a red.

Exactly! Some here calling it strangulation ffs

 

[always_hoping]

hand bag stuff a yellow max IMO.

 

[arnie_ni]

Andy gray and Richard keys are saying its not a red. That's all the evidence you need it was a red

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

It was fecking daft but in todays game where you can blow on someone and pick up a yellow then that would certainly be considered a red.

 

[Zlatan 7]

Any videos of this instead of going by still pictures?

from a picture ayew should be off too, clear hand on the neck

 

[DevilRed]

feck sake.

Literally the last person we needed to get a red.

Why couldn't it have been Fred or Lindelof or one of those chancers.

First time he has been shown a straight red in Europe too.

 

[Matson]

It was a red for me. You can't put your hands around a players neck no matter the intent and expect to get away with it. Casemiro is experienced enough to know better and shouldn't of put himself in that situation.

 

[SirAnderson]

The camera angle on the right makes it look very bad. But if you see the other angle, it actually looks like he is holding he's shirt collar and not wrapped around he's neck.

 

[Ibi Dreams]

Yes, clearly. Some were saying it was his shirt and not his neck - nonsense

Really stupid, as soon as that gets VAR checked they're always gonna give a red

 

[Jev]

Of course it's a red, why does this thread exist?

 

[ROFLUTION]

Yes, but deliberate fouls like Schlupp’s should be punished harder too. Out to injure even if it’s by a push with the chest. Its the motive behind that matters. As cnutish as Carroll.

But one could argue Schlupp’s not a red by the book - but the rules need changing here as shoving with the chest has become the new (less punished) push after VAR has been introduced.

Ps hope the cnut gets injured.

 

[.Phil1968]

It's a term of endearment in Brazil.
Seriously I was at the Utd Arsenal brawl in the early 90s where there was worse than this, Ince put Limpar over the advertisement boards and that just ended with 2 yellows . However it's different times now and with VAR scrutinising everything that will always be a red unfortunately.

 

[laughtersassassin]

From the behind angle which they never showed the ref it looks like he is grabbing his jersey.

 

[Remember the geese]

What are the chances that the FA extends his ban, just so he can be out for the final?

 

[NiceGuyEddie]

easy red

Never a red, the freeze frame makes it look a millions times worse than it was, Casemiro wasn't exactly throttling him. Yellow at most.

 

[OmarUnited4ever]

yeah, hard to argue against a sending off like that, it wasn't necessary for the issue to escalate that quickly, especially Antony jumping on Schlupp like that, damn!

 

[HBFSTR00]

Hughes clearly enjoyed it. so, no red for me.

 

[antohan]

Fred slapped him at some point so he'd have been off as well

Slapped him? It was light tap, sort of "come on lad, chill out" thing.

Completely unnecessary, as the hands around neck also were.

 

[TheGame]

It was a red but so was that Andy Carroll challenge against us. At least have some fecking consistency.

 

[bdecuc]

Any videos of this instead of going by still pictures?

from a picture ayew should be off too, clear hand on the neck

Well that's the problem. Still pictures and slow motion footage make it look much worse.

 

[Zoo]

Fred slapped someone too.

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[FriedClams]

It is simply ridiculous that he will miss 3 games for that. That’s not fair at all.

 

[AndySmith1990]

It was a red. You're not allowed to put your hands around a players neck. We all know this. Accept it, learn from it and move on

 

[Spaghetti]

The stills make it worse. There were much worse things than Casemiro’s neck hold (it was not a strangle, nor was it even in an aggressive way). The foul on Casemiro in the first half was much more dangerous than him restraining Hughes.

I could understand the red card more if it was only Hughes and Casemiro going at it, but there were about 15 of them all doing similar things.

 

[arnie_ni]

Slapped him? It was light tap, sort of "come on lad, chill out" thing.

Martial got sent of against spurs a few years ago for similar. The intention doesn't matter, if var picked it all up and done it "properly" Fred and ayew? Would have both seen red as well