So where is Modric rated in best CM’s of all time ?

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Another substantive post. Someone had their extra helping of self-importance this morning.
He's right though. Iniesta and Xavi were on another level. Never seen anybody make other world class midfielders look so helpless as those two did.

Modric is in the tier below with Scholes and a handful of others.

Pirlo was too one dimensional to match the very best but people love him because he was an elegant player and a handsome bastard.

edit: talking about players from the last 20 years or so here.
 

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if xavi and inesta had played a decade before, they wouldve been smashed to pieces by the likes of a souness. which is why the careers of the likes of Rikjkaard, Matthaus and breitner are criminally overlooked.
 

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He's a brilliant midfielder. Not quite Xavi level but whatever the tier below that is he should quite comfortably make it.
 

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When did he elevate Spurs?
When he played for them.

Not saying he did it singlehandedly but they were a much better side when he was there than before, and he was clearly a huge part of that. Shortly after his arrival, they played in the champions league for the first time in recent history.
 

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if xavi and inesta had played a decade before, they wouldve been smashed to pieces by the likes of a souness. which is why the careers of the likes of Rikjkaard, Matthaus and breitner are criminally overlooked.
Different eras though, you cant compare them. Put Souness in the modern game and he'd get tied in knots by players like Iniesta.

I'm too young for Breitner but Rijkaard and Matthaus are always two of the first names in these conversations.
 

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Would've loved to see how Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets at their peak would perform against the Milan trio of Pirlo Seedorf and Gattuso at their peak.
 

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if xavi and inesta had played a decade before, they wouldve been smashed to pieces by the likes of a souness. which is why the careers of the likes of Rikjkaard, Matthaus and breitner are criminally overlooked.
Any pitch that rolls the ball (not the bogs of the 80's), combined with a midfield unit that can pass and relay the ball (you've already given Xavi Iniesta, might as well add Busquets), and a referee calling a fair game and that midfield would give anyone a game, and if they're not careful, the runaround.

Xavi's one of the most elusive midfielders to have played, certainly not one who's going to be clattered with impunity, unless a ref allows it.
 

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If I read this thread you'd think Xavi is the undisputed goat.

In my view the midfielders of the 80s and 90s were still the best in history. Back then it was all about the midfield battle.

Matthaus the best CM of all time for me.
Rijkaard the best DM.

Xavi and Modric are equal to each other, but neither as good as Matthaus. Matthaus was doing until his 40 what Modric is doing now.
 
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He really is incredible.

Far more versatile and more strings to his bow than Xavi. But Xavi played in one of the most dominant sides ever so gets slightly more elevated for some. He's also a bit too robotic for me to really rate him at the top.

I would rather watch Modric play though, if that means anything in comparisons.
 

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What makes people think Xavi is less versatile than Modric?
Modric played in numerous positions from AM, to LAM to proactive/attacking CM to being box-to-box and, apart from goals, displayed the nuance of each role. He could be deployed in a number positions or with different job briefs and execute them with aplomb. In this way he's more like Iniesta than Xavi.

He's also not perceived to be bound to a system like Xavi, so the more eclectic of the two.

People think Xavi and rightfully, insane pass completion rates, retention and so forth immediately come to the fore. He's the specialist who you're not optimising if you don't drop him dead centre of a midfield that has other players who can pass, move and chain the ball with him.

Modric also has a more interesting origin story, I guess, which leaves an impression in its own right. Xavi gets downplayed for coming up in golden eras for club and country despite him being a conduit for the success.
 
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Would've loved to see how Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets at their peak would perform against the Milan trio of Pirlo Seedorf and Gattuso at their peak.
Probably badly, considering the UCL semis of 2010 against Inter.
 

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I have them above him. So I would say top 10 from late 90s till now.
 

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Modric was immense vs PSG. That tackle on Messi was crucial and then his surge through the middle on the dribble was great. I don't think any PSG player thought he would even attempt that at his age. Just a winner and such a smart player.
 

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Matthaus the best CM of all time for me.
Rijkaard the best DM.

Xavi and Modric are equal to each other, but neither as good as Matthaus. Matthaus was doing what Modric is now doing until his 40s.
Matthäus retired at age 39 and Modric turns 37 this year. Hardly a difference there.
 

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Modric played in numerous positions from AM, to LAM to proactive/attacking CM to being box-to-box and, apart from goals, displayed the nuance of each role. He could be deployed in a number positions or with different job briefs and execute them with aplomb. In this way he's more like Iniesta than Xavi.

He's also not perceived to be bound to a system like Xavi, so the more eclectic of the two.

People think Xavi and rightfully, insane pass completion rates, retention and so forth immediately come to the fore. He's the specialist who you're not optimising if you don't drop him dead centre of a midfield that has other players who can pass, move and chain the ball with him.

Modric also has a more interesting origin story, I guess, which leaves an impression in its own right. Xavi gets downplayed for coming up in golden eras for club and country despite him being a conduit for the success.
To be fair though Modric has played 8 straight years with Toni Kroos, who is one of the best passers I've ever seen in terms of variety and weight of passes. Where Kroos falls behind Modric and Xavi is in his close control and agility, which is fine but not great, but they're on another level to him for that. You can point to Croatia then instead of Spain, but Rakitic is another fine player, and the likes of Brozovic, Kovacic and others know how to play. It's not as if Modric is playing with a load of hackers, he's playing with alongside good ball-playing midfielders too.
 

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I have them above him. So I would say top 10 from late 90s till now.
About half of that list isn’t fit to lace his boots. The likes of Lampard and Gerrard are very far from his level.
 

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If I read this thread you'd think Xavi is the undisputed goat.

In my view the midfielders of the 80s and 90s were still the best in history. Back then it was all about the midfield battle.

Matthaus the best CM of all time for me.
Rijkaard the best DM.

Xavi and Modric are equal to each other, but neither as good as Matthaus. Matthaus was doing until his 40 what Modric is doing now.
Depends on what you need, really — and comparing Xavi with Matthäus is a bit odd, just like you won't compare Xavi with Pelé or Beckenbauer, their roles were so different. Xavi is the GOAT conductor/playmaker from central midfield; Matthäus was never quite capable of that — but he would dominate everything and everyone in midfield with his physicality & engine as well as scoring an odd 20 goals per season; Rijkaard was probably the most all-rounded midfielder of all-time (in his younger Ajax days you can see that he was very comfortable even as an attacking midfielder behind van Basten), although he couldn't score as much as Matthäus or control the game as well as Xavi (although defensively he was better than both).
 

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Modric is way above Seedorf imo and Zidane was more attacking midfielder than central midfielder.
RE Seedorf different players I know but I love him.

Don’t disagree by the way as such. Just throwing some names out. If the parameters are quite narrow though I think Luka will be top. Such longevity too.
 

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Spending a bit of time thinking about it. I love modric he is definitely one of the best midfielders but genuinely thinking about the history of football there are soo many top top midfielders. Of the last 10 years I am happy to say he is in the top 3 and is one of the best of the generation. But there are soo many top top class midfielders who could also do everything that modric could do. It's hard to say he is the best. Even someone like matthias stammer who people barely talk about is easily as good a player as modric.
 

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To be fair though Modric has played 8 straight years with Toni Kroos, who is one of the best passers I've ever seen in terms of variety and weight of passes. Where Kroos falls behind Modric and Xavi is in his close control and agility, which is fine but not great, but they're on another level to him for that. You can point to Croatia then instead of Spain, but Rakitic is another fine player, and the likes of Brozovic, Kovacic and others know how to play. It's not as if Modric is playing with a load of hackers, he's playing with alongside good ball-playing midfielders too.
There's no denying Modric has played with some good midfielders, but with Xavi, you can arguably claim the greatest triumvirate a midfield has had, or, best in their roles at what they did - specifically as specialists - that there has been. Busquets is in any conversation for one-touch, progressive play and chain passing with anyone, from the loftiest names to other lesser known specialists, and Iniesta is probably the most praised of the three, interestingly enough, all of which, some use to reduce Xavi's brilliance or dilute it down. This despite him being the one least able to be replicated in another i.e. the gold standard and pinnacle of knitting a midfield/team together.

Modric is a modern-day great and deserves the praise he gets, but we are, as ever, now talking about the very best to do 'it' and whatever that 'it' is, where special is not so special anymore because everyone else is that by default to be part of the discussion in the first place.
 

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RE Seedorf different players I know but I love him.

Don’t disagree by the way as such. Just throwing some names out. If the parameters are quite narrow though I think Luka will be top. Such longevity too.
Aye, Seedorf was brilliant to watch when he was on song. Superb player with a glittering CV, but I felt that he was never quite as influential and consistent as he should have been given his talent and athleticism. Agreed that Modric's longevity sets him apart from all their other CMs, at least in the modern era.
 

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Aye, Seedorf was brilliant to watch when he was on song. Superb player with a glittering CV, but I felt that he was never quite as influential and consistent as he should have been given his talent and athleticism. Agreed that Modric's longevity sets him apart from all their other CMs, at least in the modern era.

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2nd tier. Iniesta and Xavi, then Modric, then a long, loooonnnngggg way back to Scholes etc..
 

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One of the best in my lifetime.... technically brilliant and been excellent wherever he has been.
The one that got away for us when he was at Spurs. I think SAF rated him highly and quoted this in his book...
 

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The example of a complete midfielder.

Its not just his dribbling and vision. This guy runs like a madman for 90 minutes and is an absolute threat from outside the box.
 

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He always reminded me of Scholes and really wanted him at United when he was at Tottenham. He's got to be considered one of the best along with the ginger ninja. Of course he won't get the same type of praise that players like Lampard and Gerrard got because of their goal scoring, but I'd take Modric (and Scholes) over Lampard and Gerrard.
 

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He always reminded me of Scholes and really wanted him at United when he was at Tottenham. He's got to be considered one of the best along with the ginger ninja. Of course he won't get the same type of praise that players like Lampard and Gerrard got because of their goal scoring, but I'd take Modric (and Scholes) over Lampard and Gerrard.
I'm pretty sure 90% of the football fanbase would take modric over any of those 3 players. And let's be honest with ourselves here modric is levels above Scholes aswell and has proven it at every level.

He can do literally everything Scholes can with the added physical attributes to be a great dribbler and defensive player.
 

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He always reminded me of Scholes and really wanted him at United when he was at Tottenham. He's got to be considered one of the best along with the ginger ninja. Of course he won't get the same type of praise that players like Lampard and Gerrard got because of their goal scoring, but I'd take Modric (and Scholes) over Lampard and Gerrard.
He gets more praise than Gerrard and Lampard he literally won the Ballon d’or, do people have a book of cliches ready to bring out that simply isn’t close to reality:lol:
 

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Great player, but overrated a bit in terms of midfield control and domination. Him winning the Ballon D'or is a sign of that, as he didn't even overly dominate in midfield that season.
 

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Loose definition of CMs

Xavi
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I have them above him. So I would say top 10 from late 90s till now.
If we remove some premier league bias and look at it realistically, only Xavi and Iniesta can be mentioned in the same tier as him. Literally any barometer. Team success. National team success. Individual accolades. Big trophies won. The ability he has. Variety to his game. Level of perfection in the qualities he brings to the game. He has it all as a midfielder and in the modern era, he's right up there with Xavi, Iniesta, Zidane. Hell, Iniesta and Zidane are more attacking than him anyway but he is capable of doing either role which those 2 weren't.
 

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Great player, but overrated a bit in terms of midfield control and domination. Him winning the Ballon D'or is a sign of that, as he didn't even overly dominate in midfield that season.
What he did do was do brilliantly in the latter stages of the CL and dominated the world Cup. At the end of the day, if you have a decent season but then explode when it really matters, you deserve to win it IMO. That's what really counts and what will be remembered anyway.
 

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Modric is better tackler, better dribler, better drive with the ball then Xavi. Passing is probably equal.
 

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I'm pretty sure 90% of the football fanbase would take modric over any of those 3 players. And let's be honest with ourselves here modric is levels above Scholes aswell and has proven it at every level.

He can do literally everything Scholes can with the added physical attributes to be a great dribbler and defensive player.
Or at least they should...but EPL fans are a funny bunch
 

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Xavi is easily better than Modric while Modric is one of the greatest CMs ever..
If PSG did not stupidly lose yesterday, nobody would mention his name as he was invisible in Game 1 and just had an above average game yesterday..