Are we totally broke? Or do we rightly recognise signing Amrabat as a long term solution isn’t going to be good enough to challenge? Loan for 12 months to cover Casemiro without any obligation - then get a younger, better player in 12 months plus Mainoo being a year older makes way more sense. We won’t want him next year.
Sofyan Amrabat | signs for United on loan
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We'll come to some sort of agreement so if we're continuing the talks with them.
We're a shambles of a club!
Casemiro for sure, as he is the best player we have in that position.
Mainoo is injured and has a grand total of 1 appearance in the league. He cannot and should not be expected to have a starring role this season at this stage in his career. We're talking substitute appearances in the league + maybe a few cup starts. Maybe.
McTominay is an absolute last resort for me in that position. We've even been looking to transfer him out of the club, which I don't think is necessarily the worst thing for him or the club.
So, in short, we've got one world class option, one youth prospect, and one player who doesn't really fit that position. If Casemiro is injured or suspended, we are fecked in that position. Not even a little bit fecked, but very, very fecked. Double-barrel screwed.
There were people saying we should just get Kane for free next year. Still, we shouldn’t be discouraged.
Imo we should get all our players for free. Can it really be that hard?
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Well said.
ETH will be out of his job till November at this rate.
It is, but Mainoo is very highly rated. We also have McTominay in reserve.
I don't think it's clear at all, it wasn't even his position for the youth teams.
I just love plan has gone through the window posts. Based on fek all.
I get that feeling as well. Lots of red flags around the signing if you think about it. The break clause as you mentioned, no other clubs being seriously in for him despite it being his last year and a 'good world cup', the low asking price/seems like Fiorentina not that bothered... Even the fact we've left it so late (although that probably is Utd's incompetency in the market)
It’s quite funny that nobody called the 2m initial loan offer for Cucurella - a player who went for 60m last year and plays at a rival - derisory. Yet apparently it is insulting for Amrabat…someone who is desperate to leave and hasn’t been in a match day squad or trained with the first team in a month.
We have backed him but the reason we’re in this mess isn’t due to the money ETH has spent but the literal hundreds of millions we’ve burned through in the years before he arrived. Money that was spent on dross and big names looking for a last payday, then you’ve got the renewed contracts that were repeatedly handed out to players that should’ve been moved on but instead kept to “protect their value”, another one of Woodward and the Glazers bright ideas that’s still hampering us.
Every chance this happens, but you would like to think that we signed our priority midfielder (Mount) to be a starter. Depends how married ten Hag is to his new system.
plus only fair game for when italian teams love to come in for players with peanuts loan deals. Love seeing it hopefully returned back to them.
Amrabat would be joining with a view to a permanent deal though whereas Cucurella is just emergency cover.
Agree. Plus, Amrabat has a year left on his contract.
Would he? Do we know that?
Hey that’s not good ma brother
The club has really made mess of this transfer. I wonder what Amrabat is feeling and thinking now?
Even Italian teams would be embarrassed to put down an offer like this one.
Dont see why he wouldnt be. Given how he's been withdrawn from the Fiorentina squad for weeks and has turned down other offers, ETH must have been talking to him.
That doesnt happen for a short term loan target. Sabitzer was a loan for emergency cover whereas Amrabat is a system signing.
Not saying we should have waited until next year... I'm saying £55m for a player that is out of contract in a year and that his club are looking to make money on because of FFP is an absolutely crazy amount to spend.
I don't rate McTominay, but even taking that into account, are we really going to sign Amrabat on loan because Mainoo is injured for a couple of months? Possibly so, but I'd have thought McTominay could hold the fort as Casemiro's deputy in the meantime.
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True, I’m glad we didn’t cling onto him another year like we seem to do with so many others. Him having a bit of resale value helped I guess, I’m just surprised we managed to get £68 million out of inter Milan.
Is it on or off ?
This is Amrabat's last year of his contract. If they loan him to us for 2m then that is all they are getting for him leaving. Completely different scenario. Cucurella will still go back to Chelsea after his loan so Chelsea can still try to offload him for some money, Fiorentina literally can't do that with Amrabat because he would be out of contract by the time he finishes his loan here.
Yes.
He has squandered money as well. There are question marks over Hojlund and Mount and I would say Anthony has been a massive disappointment (even a flop). Even casameiro has papered over cracks and has been inconsistent. No doubt the upper management has been a shambles but the managers choices in the transfer market have been awful.
They have an option for another year .
Nope. They have an option to extend.
I would agree, but that wouldn't normally demand a loan fee, especially one as described in the James Horncastle tweet, earlier in this thread.
If United want a break clause in Jan, it wouldn't suggest a loan with mandatory buy.
Does that need to be agreed on by both sides though?
Why are we so broke 
Having to scrape the barrel and offer teams minimum amounts.
Having to scrape the barrel and offer teams minimum amounts.It's still on. Too many people are reacting to this offer as if it's United final offer. It's not, which is why the clubs are still in talks. Expect United to raise their offer for Amrabat just as they will for Cucurella.
I doubt it. If it does I’m sure that will be a stipulation for any loan deal. He’s desperate to join apparently.
I actually think that Mainoo was/is in for a bigger role than you think. Not as a starter obviously, but as first reserve for Casemiro. He would effectively take McTominay's role, leaving the latter fairly redundant. However with McTominay staying and Mainoo currently injured, he is obviously going to play some part.
Spot on!Yeah it wasn't his position in the academy, but you get the feeling that ten Hag wants to develop him there.
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