MackRobinson
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I get that, Mack, but it seemed to me that some of the responses intimated that they thought it was Amrabat just chilling on a boat.
I get that, Mack, but it seemed to me that some of the responses intimated that they thought it was Amrabat just chilling on a boat.
Thay guy doesn't know shit just like you don't. Just fans here. Get real. Hope it plays out wellWaiting to hear the Serie A expertise @Kingslayer18
I know nothing about engineering, if I started waffling on about engineering processes and you believed you could clearly tell it was nonsense then you would be completely fair to point out that you don't believe I am making points from a place of knowledge.And in that case you address the list and not make a silly point about the amount of games someone can watch or not, especially since unless you yourself haven't watched these players regularly, aren't in a position to criticize it. Surely you spot the contradiction?
Isn't a 10 million loan fee for 1 year worse for FFP in the short term than a normal purchase?Delighted with this. We needed desperately soneone like him.
But why is 10 mil loan fee? Avoiding FFP with that?
Would Fiorentina have accepted that installment plan?Isn't a 10 million loan fee for 1 year worse for FFP in the short term than a normal purchase?
25 million on a 5 year deal would only be 5 million a year in the accounts.
basically lads we got him on KlarnaIsn't a 10 million loan fee for 1 year worse for FFP in the short term than a normal purchase?
25 million on a 5 year deal would only be 5 million a year in the accounts.
Yeah, that's fair. No, I would never think of watching all of these teams weekly - especially not rewatching matches. I don't really find that equally as entertaining as watching it live. I watch a lot of games myself, but I'm not going to pretend that I watch 20 games a week. I do watch at least one Serie A game every weekend, though, particularly Napoli, Atalanta, Inter Milan and AC Milan, and Juventus occasionally.You don't have to watch teams weekly to be familiar with them and their players. And keep in mind that you just made a post where you shared your opinion on all these players, is it based on watching them weekly or should we consider that you are full of it?
Like City, Liverpool, Bayern, Chelsea...?It simply doesn't take this long with other clubs. There must, must be a reason
I don't know if Amrabat is the right signing, but these high volume passers should have been what we targeted over Mount.2. Fbref shows he in the 98 percentile (or higher) for passes attempted, accuracy, and progressive passes.
So let's think this through. Let's even say we could have got him for 30m£ in June, so with a 5 yr contract, that's amortized to 6m£ a year. But now we are paying a 10m€/8.5m£ loan fee, which obviously for this year's FFP is higher. So why would we do this and make our FFP numbers? Why do you think that could be?You're entitled to your opinion and obviously I hope he goes on to have a great season for us despite it looking like a deadline day desperation deal.
Put it this way though, if he was a top target for us since June, then don't you wish the club had got him in on a permanent deal months ago rather than paying £10m on deadline day to get him on loan?
It was widely reported that Forest had a bid of £17m accepted for him a few days ago - wouldn't it have made more sense to pay the extra £7 million and buy him on a permanent deal weeks earlier so he's ready for the start of the season?
But it's not what you did. you said that it was impossible to watch all those teams. If it's impossible then how can you judge his list. The issue is that instead of addressing the list and share your thought, you made the silly point that the list wasn't correct because no one follow that many teams and have a clue which is two things, not correct and also prevents you from giving your opinion because by your own logic you have no clue.I know nothing about engineering, if I started waffling on about engineering processes and you believed you could clearly tell it was nonsense then you would be completely fair to point out that you don't believe I am making points from a place of knowledge.
Feel free to believe it is silly, I would argue that believing the above to be a contradiction is quite silly. Ironically what you are suggesting would actually have been far more hypocritical if that had been my chosen course of action.
It doesn't matter how you actually pay the money. All incoming transfers go on the books as if they were paid there and then and the outgoings are spread evenly over the length of the contract. It's an accounting trick to make your books look better.Would Fiorentina have accepted that installment plan?
Hmmm you're right there, this don't make no sense.So let's think this through. Let's even say we could have got him for 30m£ in June, so with a 5 yr contract, that's amortized to 6m£ a year. But now we are paying a 10m€/8.5m£ loan fee, which obviously for this year's FFP is higher. So why would we do this and make our FFP numbers? Why do you think that could be?
The only catch to the incoming transfers going fully into the books is that the remaining amortisation also fully goes into the books, which can result in a net loss if the player isn't sold for a high-enough fee.It doesn't matter how you actually pay the money. All incoming transfers go on the books as if they were paid there and then and the outgoings are spread evenly over the length of the contract. It's an accounting trick to make your books look better.
I pointed out that it was unlikely that he was talking from a place of knowledge, it is pretty easy to extract from that how I view his list.But it's not what you did. you said that it was impossible to watch all those teams. If it's impossible then how can you judge his list. The issue is that instead of addressing the list and share your thought, you made the silly point that the list wasn't correct because no one follow that many teams and have a clue which is two things, not correct and also prevents you from giving your opinion because by your own logic you have no clue.
I didn't expect it to be an actual back and forth but to summarize, by targetting the poster you targetted yourself
Good point - I think that could have been why we didn't sell Maguire. I was reading somewhere that with his payout we'd have ended up worse off for FFP after selling him to West ham.The only catch to the incoming transfers going fully into the books is that the remaining amortisation also fully goes into the books, which can result in a net loss if the player isn't sold for a high-enough fee.
When Mount is back we'll definitely try a midfield 3 of Mount-Casemiro-Amrabat and Bruno on the right wing so I'm not really sure you're right there.One of the best things about this signing is hopefully that it puts an end to seeing Bruno at right wing
Honestly that list of midfielder isn't special, they are all well known and if you watch a bit of Serie A and UEFA competitions you will know them fairly well. The issue with the list is that these players are very different, it makes little sense to have all of them in the same list when they don't really compete with each others. Now to be honest I barely watched Serie A last season, so my point can only be about their profiles and not their forms, so I have doubts about the list for different reasons.Yeah, that's fair. No, I would never think of watching all of these teams weekly - especially not rewatching matches. I don't really find that equally as entertaining as watching it live. I watch a lot of games myself, but I'm not going to pretend that I watch 20 games a week. I do watch at least one Serie A game every weekend, though, particularly Napoli, Atalanta, Inter Milan and AC Milan, and Juventus occasionally.
I wasn't trying to say that no one watches these matches, but confidently listing a bunch of midfielders that, coincidentally, is the same list that appears on google of the best midfielders in Serie A, are better than Amrabat, when Amrabat clearly is superior in terms of passing was just funny to me.
Alisson, Salah, Bruno Fernandes (before Sporting he played for Udinese and Sampdoria), Kulusevski, Bentancur, [Irrelevant point], Jorginho (people like to shit on him, but he played a vital role in Chelsea's UCL title, he was the player with most interceptions and tackles in the tournament) all did fairly well or great in the Prem, no?It is Seria A tbf
Smalling was doing decent there, having an impressive record in Italy means feck all
I thought your comments were perfectly fine, if it’s worth anything to you. It was a shit list and couldn’t have come from watching football.I know nothing about engineering, if I started waffling on about engineering processes and you believed you could clearly tell it was nonsense then you would be completely fair to point out that you don't believe I am making points from a place of knowledge.
Feel free to believe it is silly, I would argue that believing the above to be a contradiction is quite silly. Ironically what you are suggesting would actually have been far more hypocritical if that had been my chosen course of action.
Thanks mate, I see the point that it is better to address the list directly. Just a pet peeve of mine that everyone on football forums is an expert on every league.I thought your comments were perfectly fine, if it’s worth anything to you. It was a shit list and couldn’t have come from watching football.
You are right. Then this 10 mil doesn't have any sense.Isn't a 10 million loan fee for 1 year worse for FFP in the short term than a normal purchase?
25 million on a 5 year deal would only be 5 million a year in the accounts.
I believe so sadly. Seems it has to be 12:00 the working day before the match (12 today essentially).Too late to register for Sunday?
It's not more expensive. As there's an option to buy attached, this can be accounted as though it's a transfer, and so amortised over (up to) 5yrs, as long as there's "reasonable certainty" that the option will be taken up. The same (obviously) applies if and when the option is taken up.Not sure how minor historical breaches are relevant? Explain to me why we’ve gone for a loan which is more expensive in FFP terms rather than buy him? We can’t be that close to breaching can we
Works better this way, he hasn't had a pre-season. He can get match-fitness over the break and be ready for the fixtures upon return.He’ll bring the balance to our midfield that we were seriously lacking. Pity he won’t be able to feature against Arsenal as he’d be very useful in that game but looking forward to seeing him after the international break.
It's better (or more expedient) if you only have 10m available / financed / backed by revenue than 30. Maybe not strictly in FFP terms but certainly as a general rule.Isn't a 10 million loan fee for 1 year worse for FFP in the short term than a normal purchase?
25 million on a 5 year deal would only be 5 million a year in the accounts.
I seriously doubt Bruno will go right wing full time. ETH loves Antony and for all his faults he is very press resistent which Bruno is not.When Mount is back we'll definitely try a midfield 3 of Mount-Casemiro-Amrabat and Bruno on the right wing so I'm not really sure you're right there.
Yeah, the FFP excuse doesn't really make sense. The most likely 2 options are therefore either 1) there literally wasn't enough cash in the bank for anything close to the up-front fee a decent quality midfielder would cost to buy outright. The most recent accounts showed the cash in the bank was really low and we still owe about a quarter of a billion pounds for previous transfer fees paid in instalments. This would also explain why the club waited so late in the window (hoping a player sale would raise funds), and why they turned down some bids for players they wanted rid of and accepted others (because they were insisting on more cash up front and less in instalments).So let's think this through. Let's even say we could have got him for 30m£ in June, so with a 5 yr contract, that's amortized to 6m£ a year. But now we are paying a 10m€/8.5m£ loan fee, which obviously for this year's FFP is higher. So why would we do this and make our FFP numbers? Why do you think that could be?
More convenient to do the paperwork as early as possible.Why is he having his medical in Italy?
No. Been training alone. I think they'll be looking at Palace in the League Cup on 26 September.He won’t be fit for Sunday anyway. He hasn’t had any sort of pre season with Fiorentina, did he?