Solskjær press conference vs Crystal Palace (H)

[Bullhitter]

Everything is wrong with an 18 year old doing a presser with England when his club never let him do one. Especially when England knew the issues around with Maguire. At the very least those questions should have been banned or a more experienced played should have been there

Well the maybe United as a club should have had "the boy" who's made what 50 appearances and become a mainstay starter for one of the biggest clubs in the world in front of the media while under their own guidance.

This isn't the early 90's, Solskjaer isn't Ferguson, the world isn't the same and you cannot shield/cut off youngsters from media attention like it was possible with the likes of Giggs when he broke through.

His answer on Greenwood made zero sense and was just a typical of him play from Ferguson's script but that script became obsolete a long time ago, as did calling every player either boy or kid. Maybe Solskjaer and United should accept some responsibility in infantizing players and would be better served admonishing them rather than trying to put the blame on figures outside "the group".

 

[12OunceEpilogue]

I'm all for managers protecting their players, but come on. There's a global pandemic and Greenwood chose to do what he did and he's old enough to know better. He's an adult. It was his fault and nobody else's.

I think the point Ole was making was he'd expressly asked for him not to be in the squad at all, but he was picked regardless. I agree the line 'then he is there in the press' as if that was the logical conclusion of Southgate including Mason on the trip was a bit of a stretch though . Overall I'm happy to see Ole giving national coaches a slap.

 

[Cassidy]

Well the maybe United as a club should have had "the boy" who's made what 50 appearances and become a mainstay starter for one of the biggest clubs in the world in front of the media while under their own guidance.

This isn't the early 90's, Solskjaer isn't Ferguson, the world isn't the same and you cannot shield/cut off youngsters from media attention like it was possible with the likes of Giggs when he broke through.

His answer on Greenwood made zero sense and was just a typical of him play from Ferguson's script but that script became obsolete a long time ago, as did calling every player either boy or kid. Maybe Solskjaer and United should accept some responsibility in infantizing players and would be better served admonishing them rather than trying to put the blame on figures outside "the group".

You’re missing the point. Clearly he was protected from the media at United (rightly so) and not at England (poorly so)

 

[STYLOISRED]

Ru

Well the maybe United as a club should have had "the boy" who's made what 50 appearances and become a mainstay starter for one of the biggest clubs in the world in front of the media while under their own guidance.

This isn't the early 90's, Solskjaer isn't Ferguson, the world isn't the same and you cannot shield/cut off youngsters from media attention like it was possible with the likes of Giggs when he broke through.

His answer on Greenwood made zero sense and was just a typical of him play from Ferguson's script but that script became obsolete a long time ago, as did calling every player either boy or kid. Maybe Solskjaer and United should accept some responsibility in infantizing players and would be better served admonishing them rather than trying to put the blame on figures outside "the group".

Rubbish. Players don't mature at the same rate. Greenwood might have world class potential but as evidenced with Januzaj too much exposure can have negative effects. I would say the whole debacle actually vindicates the club in how they have shielded Mason from the press.
Southgate handled everything wrong from the start. Calling up an 18 yr old after his frst season with little or no rest, having him answer questions about his club captain in a 25 minute presser, and then leaving him on his own without supervision from a senior member if the squad. OGS is right to hit at him.

 

[united_99]

Well the maybe United as a club should have had "the boy" who's made what 50 appearances and become a mainstay starter for one of the biggest clubs in the world in front of the media while under their own guidance.

This isn't the early 90's, Solskjaer isn't Ferguson, the world isn't the same and you cannot shield/cut off youngsters from media attention like it was possible with the likes of Giggs when he broke through.

His answer on Greenwood made zero sense and was just a typical of him play from Ferguson's script but that script became obsolete a long time ago, as did calling every player either boy or kid. Maybe Solskjaer and United should accept some responsibility in infantizing players and would be better served admonishing them rather than trying to put the blame on figures outside "the group".

A Chelsea fan telling United how to deal with youth!! Couldn’t make this up.

He was clearly protected at United and it worked. He will need less and less protection moving forward but in his first critical years and with all the hype which comes with it especially being such a talented English player in England United and Ole were too right to deal with him the way they did.

 

[Stretender]

Well the maybe United as a club should have had "the boy" who's made what 50 appearances and become a mainstay starter for one of the biggest clubs in the world in front of the media while under their own guidance.

This isn't the early 90's, Solskjaer isn't Ferguson, the world isn't the same and you cannot shield/cut off youngsters from media attention like it was possible with the likes of Giggs when he broke through.

His answer on Greenwood made zero sense and was just a typical of him play from Ferguson's script but that script became obsolete a long time ago, as did calling every player either boy or kid. Maybe Solskjaer and United should accept some responsibility in infantizing players and would be better served admonishing them rather than trying to put the blame on figures outside "the group".

Mason Greenwood is an asset of Manchester United on their balance sheet. Their position here is correct. Southgate is a desperate manager if you ask me. Do you need a debutant 18 year old to beat Iceland? And what was all that Mason Greenwood doing a press conference nonsense. Manchester United developed the player not England, so Ole is 100 per cent within his rights to question Southgate's thinking.

 

[Champ]

Take a shot every time OGS says 'boy' or 'boys'. Dead within 15 minutes.

It's a psychological thing, it moves Ole into a father type figure for the younger players, means they will respect him more.
It's quite clever really, as someone else has mentioned SAF used to be a master of this.
Language is one of the greatest forms of manipulation and inspiration for humans and is extremely powerful when used correctly.
Just look at the difference between Moyes conferences and Oles, chalk and cheese.

 

[RashyForPM]

Well the maybe United as a club should have had "the boy" who's made what 50 appearances and become a mainstay starter for one of the biggest clubs in the world in front of the media while under their own guidance.

This isn't the early 90's, Solskjaer isn't Ferguson, the world isn't the same and you cannot shield/cut off youngsters from media attention like it was possible with the likes of Giggs when he broke through.

His answer on Greenwood made zero sense and was just a typical of him play from Ferguson's script but that script became obsolete a long time ago, as did calling every player either boy or kid. Maybe Solskjaer and United should accept some responsibility in infantizing players and would be better served admonishing them rather than trying to put the blame on figures outside "the group".

Load of shit.

 

[Bullhitter]

You’re missing the point. Clearly he was protected from the media at United (rightly so) and not at England (poorly so)

Ru
Rubbish. Players don't mature at the same rate. Greenwood might have world class potential but as evidenced with Januzaj too much exposure can have negative effects. I would say the whole debacle actually vindicates the club in how they have shielded Mason from the press.
Southgate handled everything wrong from the start. Calling up an 18 yr old after his frst season with little or no rest, having him answer questions about his club captain in a 25 minute presser, and then leaving him on his own without supervision from a senior member if the squad. OGS is right to hit at him.

A Chelsea fan telling United how to deal with youth!! Couldn’t make this up.

He was clearly protected at United and it worked. He will need less and less protection moving forward but in his first critical years and with all the hype which comes with it especially being such a talented English player in England United and Ole were too right to deal with him the way they did.

Protected or uneducated/trained in media? Fine line.

Solskjaer is not far removed from getting called to the school and being told "we need to talk about some troublesome behaviour with Ole junior" and responding with "well he's fine at home, look at yourself"

 

[matt23]

Well the maybe United as a club should have had "the boy" who's made what 50 appearances and become a mainstay starter for one of the biggest clubs in the world in front of the media while under their own guidance.

This isn't the early 90's, Solskjaer isn't Ferguson, the world isn't the same and you cannot shield/cut off youngsters from media attention like it was possible with the likes of Giggs when he broke through.

His answer on Greenwood made zero sense and was just a typical of him play from Ferguson's script but that script became obsolete a long time ago, as did calling every player either boy or kid. Maybe Solskjaer and United should accept some responsibility in infantizing players and would be better served admonishing them rather than trying to put the blame on figures outside "the group".

This is a remarkable amount of drivel. Your left back killed someone.

 

[Cassidy]

Protected or uneducated/trained in media? Fine line.

Solskjaer is not far removed from getting called to the school and being told "we need to talk about some troublesome behaviour with Ole junior" and responding with "well he's fine at home, look at yourself"

Protected. He didnt do anything wrong in his interview so clearly trained. But what he needs right now is to focus on football and not media attention. The press conference was poor by England
Your comments show a complete lack of understanding of why young players need to be kept out of the media spotlight especially early in their careers.
Their whole life is changing, including newfound fame, access to money etc etc, in such a crucial time football development should be what their coaches should be keeping them focused on.

You can see from a player like Rashford who has been protected well what it can do once players are allowed to mature. Also see Sterling

 

[El Zoido]

Well the maybe United as a club should have had "the boy" who's made what 50 appearances and become a mainstay starter for one of the biggest clubs in the world in front of the media while under their own guidance.

This isn't the early 90's, Solskjaer isn't Ferguson, the world isn't the same and you cannot shield/cut off youngsters from media attention like it was possible with the likes of Giggs when he broke through.

His answer on Greenwood made zero sense and was just a typical of him play from Ferguson's script but that script became obsolete a long time ago, as did calling every player either boy or kid.
Maybe Solskjaer and United should accept some responsibility in infantizing players and would be better served admonishing them rather than trying to put the blame on figures outside "the group".

This is in contention for the worst take I’ve ever seen on the caf. Some going, congrats.

 

[bludsucker]

This is a remarkable amount of drivel. Your left back killed someone.

Who are we talking about here? Genuine question.

 

[JohnnyKills]

I think the point Ole was making was he'd expressly asked for him not to be in the squad at all, but he was picked regardless. I agree the line 'then he is there in the press' as if that was the logical conclusion of Southgate including Mason on the trip was a bit of a stretch though . Overall I'm happy to see Ole giving national coaches a slap.

Me too. The FA deserve nothing less.

 

[matt23]

Who are we talking about here? Genuine question.

Alonso.

 

[roonster09]

Who are we talking about here? Genuine question.

Alonso

 

[roonster09]

Well the maybe United as a club should have had "the boy" who's made what 50 appearances and become a mainstay starter for one of the biggest clubs in the world in front of the media while under their own guidance.

This isn't the early 90's, Solskjaer isn't Ferguson, the world isn't the same and you cannot shield/cut off youngsters from media attention like it was possible with the likes of Giggs when he broke through.

His answer on Greenwood made zero sense and was just a typical of him play from Ferguson's script but that script became obsolete a long time ago, as did calling every player either boy or kid. Maybe Solskjaer and United should accept some responsibility in infantizing players and would be better served admonishing them rather than trying to put the blame on figures outside "the group".

Must be a record for the consistency of shit posting.

 

[bludsucker]

Alonso.

Thanks for that. I didn’t know that.

 

[snowkarl]

Protected. He didnt do anything wrong in his interview so clearly trained. But what he needs right now is to focus on football and not media attention. The press conference was poor bt England

Then WHY is it an issue?

Ainsley Maitland Niles also did interviews because it was his first call up. What is the issue??

Every single player has media duties and responsibilities.

The only reason people are complaining about it is because the day after Mason did something incredibly stupid and reckless and got into the media for something negative.

And just unbelievable that people are saying Mason shouldn't have been called up... Bet everyone would have called Southgate a clown and idiot if Mason hadn't been called up and someone like Nketiah/Brewster would have been given the chance instead.

He uploads to his social media daily.. Should he be doing that? Or why isn't he being told to "shield" himself?

It's 2020. We make insane amounts of money because of EXPOSURE. The players are paid 50% for what they put on the pitch, 50% of what they bring in through marketing and advertisements.

I just don't understand the argument. What's special about Greenwood? Why should he not be giving interviews? Is there something that has to be hidden from public view or what?

There is legitimately no argument being made here. "Southgate didn't 'shield' Greenwood - Southgate bad!". Explain why.

Because you can't thats why you are a bad manager, or will be a bad manager.

We literally have a case study here where Mason did not have any bad press all his time with United and the first time he went out with England he screwed up. and we are here to listen to you and say it is Ole's fault and not Southgate. You sir, have rocks in your head.

So now it's Southgate's fault Mason & Foden snuck instagram models into the team hotel in a quarantine bubble on his first call up! Mason got bad press because he did something bad. It's that simple.

 

[Listar]

Well the maybe United as a club should have had "the boy" who's made what 50 appearances and become a mainstay starter for one of the biggest clubs in the world in front of the media while under their own guidance.

This isn't the early 90's, Solskjaer isn't Ferguson, the world isn't the same and you cannot shield/cut off youngsters from media attention like it was possible with the likes of Giggs when he broke through.

His answer on Greenwood made zero sense and was just a typical of him play from Ferguson's script but that script became obsolete a long time ago, as did calling every player either boy or kid. Maybe Solskjaer and United should accept some responsibility in infantizing players and would be better served admonishing them rather than trying to put the blame on figures outside "the group".

Because you can't thats why you are a bad manager, or will be a bad manager.

We literally have a case study here where Mason did not have any bad press all his time with United and the first time he went out with England he screwed up. and we are here to listen to you and say it is Ole's fault and not Southgate. You sir, have rocks in your head.

 

[bludsucker]

Must be a record for the consistency of shit posting.

His user name is missing an s in there.

 

[Listar]

Protected or uneducated/trained in media? Fine line.

Solskjaer is not far removed from getting called to the school and being told "we need to talk about some troublesome behaviour with Ole junior" and responding with "well he's fine at home, look at yourself"

Why do we allow haters here? Go back and troll and your own forum.

 

[Glorio]

Not as a rule no, if my boss at work is doing something that is bad for the company in my opinion then I say so, thats what my job is.

To the press?

 

[always_hoping]

Load of shit.

Couldn't agree more. Ole got this spot on.

 

[roonster09]

His user name is missing an s in there.

S is missing as usual.

 

[bludsucker]

Drat. And here i was thinking it was an original idea.

 

[CG1010]

Well the maybe United as a club should have had "the boy" who's made what 50 appearances and become a mainstay starter for one of the biggest clubs in the world in front of the media while under their own guidance.

This isn't the early 90's, Solskjaer isn't Ferguson, the world isn't the same and you cannot shield/cut off youngsters from media attention like it was possible with the likes of Giggs when he broke through.

His answer on Greenwood made zero sense and was just a typical of him play from Ferguson's script but that script became obsolete a long time ago, as did calling every player either boy or kid. Maybe Solskjaer and United should accept some responsibility in infantizing players and would be better served admonishing them rather than trying to put the blame on figures outside "the group".

what a thing to get riled up by!

 

[Cassidy]

Then WHY is it an issue?

Ainsley Maitland Niles also did interviews because it was his first call up. What is the issue??

Every single player has media duties and responsibilities.

The only reason people are complaining about it is because the day after Mason did something incredibly stupid and reckless and got into the media for something negative.

And just unbelievable that people are saying Mason shouldn't have been called up... Bet everyone would have called Southgate a clown and idiot if Mason hadn't been called up and someone like Nketiah/Brewster would have been given the chance instead.

He uploads to his social media daily.. Should he be doing that? Or why isn't he being told to "shield" himself?

It's 2020. We make insane amounts of money because of EXPOSURE. The players are paid 50% for what they put on the pitch, 50% of what they bring in through marketing and advertisements.

I just don't understand the argument. What's special about Greenwood? Why should he not be giving interviews? Is there something that has to be hidden from public view or what?

There is legitimately no argument being made here. "Southgate didn't 'shield' Greenwood - Southgate bad!". Explain why.



So now it's Southgate's fault Mason & Foden snuck instagram models into the team hotel in a quarantine bubble on his first call up! Mason got bad press because he did something bad. It's that simple.

Was there an obvious issue with an Arsenal player which was obviously going to be discussed? Is he 18?

No people complained straight after the press conference

 

[roonster09]

Drat. And here i was thinking it was an original idea.

It's even more funny when you google that name.

To save you all few clicks.

Spoiler: Google result

 

[arthurka]

Our Ole has always had bite. Anyone and everyone who played with him said he’s a competitive fecker with a savage turn of phrase. Yet for some reason on this forum he’s seen by many as a Glazer shrill.

Been trying to rectify that on here for a while now. He is tough as nails and has fire in his belly. He won´t sit and wait for the Glazers to feck him over but he is clever enough to know whats best for him to continue his progress.

 

[The United Irishman]

Thats one way of looking at it, although I find it very interesting that historically for us the managers that have been a bit bullish in the press with signing got a lot of money from the board and the ones that werent didnt, its also happening at other clubs with other managers.

I love Ole as a manager, he has been the clubs best manager since Fergie, but you cant say that he has had an easy time with transfer targets, he has had it harder than any manager since Fergie....

Either way, it was a bad presser.

Jaysus, you actually rate pressers? That is fecking hilarious.

 

[devilish]

Ole is right. You don't put an 18 year old superstar with a 20 year old superstar in the same room with no supervision whatsoever . That asking for trouble. Also kids need protection from the media. Back then you didn't hear of Keane punching Schmeichel or Giggs organising parties and being caught by the manager. Why? Cause they were kept under wraps and when things were revealed they were minimised. Southgate should focus on stopping being a bottler instead. Such squad should easily beat Iceland. There again an EPL player is expected to score penalties as well

 

[croadyman]

Really good press conference that from Ole.

He really seems to like Donny, think he will start next to Pogba in CM.

Who comes off the bench if we need to change things. I was also a little worried when he said about going with what we have at one point.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Well the maybe United as a club should have had "the boy" who's made what 50 appearances and become a mainstay starter for one of the biggest clubs in the world in front of the media while under their own guidance.

This isn't the early 90's, Solskjaer isn't Ferguson, the world isn't the same and you cannot shield/cut off youngsters from media attention like it was possible with the likes of Giggs when he broke through.

His answer on Greenwood made zero sense and was just a typical of him play from Ferguson's script but that script became obsolete a long time ago, as did calling every player either boy or kid. Maybe Solskjaer and United should accept some responsibility in infantizing players and would be better served admonishing them rather than trying to put the blame on figures outside "the group".

The media is a lot worse than in SAF's time, there were still journalists he could trust and the players could trust. Now they are vultures just looking out for scandal. There wasn't social media then, so a lot of things were not reported, now they can't wipe their nose on their sleeve without it being reported somewhere.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Who comes off the bench if we need to change things. I was also a little worried when he said about going with what we have at one point.

Hoping he just means tomorrow as he has no choice in the matter. If it is after the window is shut he will be furious.

 

[Invictus]

@MyOnlySolskjaer!

 

[Sambob]

Jaysus, you actually rate pressers? That is fecking hilarious.

@Adam-Utd said it was a good conference on the last page but that wasnt hilarious?

The majority of the forum lately is just people looking to sh*t on other people without trying to add to the conversation or add anything to the topic at all. Its fine to disagree but so often its just absolute shitposting.

 

[Maticmaker]

Ole made it clear that it was the England set up that allowed Mason off the leash, probably from the best of intentions, but he made it clear the club had been looking after the lad properly up until he went off on England duty.
You would have expected Southgate would have spoken to any club manager when he was calling up an 18 year old for his first senior game for his country...wouldn't you?

 

[croadyman]

Hoping he just means tomorrow as he has no choice in the matter. If it is after the window is shut he will be furious.

Would say it probably applies to next week as well,however after then is down to the board

 

[Berbasbullet]

Well the maybe United as a club should have had "the boy" who's made what 50 appearances and become a mainstay starter for one of the biggest clubs in the world in front of the media while under their own guidance.

This isn't the early 90's, Solskjaer isn't Ferguson, the world isn't the same and you cannot shield/cut off youngsters from media attention like it was possible with the likes of Giggs when he broke through.

His answer on Greenwood made zero sense and was just a typical of him play from Ferguson's script but that script became obsolete a long time ago, as did calling every player either boy or kid. Maybe Solskjaer and United should accept some responsibility in infantizing players and would be better served admonishing them rather than trying to put the blame on figures outside "the group".

Or maybe you follow the example of the club that consistently had academy players breaking through and actually uses them?

Regardless of what you think the club has actively kept him away from the press and he then gets called up and it gets completely undermined and the press then ask him tough questions regarding Maguire.

Can you not see how that completely undermines what the club are trying to achieve?