We need AI refs
Strange refereeing quirks…
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
This one touches on another one.
A player makes a bad tackle, yellow card bordering on red style. The tackled player goes over to tell him he’s a cnut and they start pushing each other and others join in.
Both players get a yellow card. Bad tackle goes unpunished. And maybe Casemiro gets a red because he grabbed someone’s collar.
I've often wondered about this too. I've never seen a foul given for the follow through after a shot has been taken. It happens so often as well.
Closest to them being given is when a player tries to round the keeper and is fouled. But somehow getting the shot away whilst, or just before, being fouled changes everything. I'd genuinely like to hear a referee explain why that is always the case.
Arsenal were given a pen against city for this.
If a player wins the ball too high up the pitch which leads to them being through on goal it will very often be called a foul. Regardless of whether it was a foul.
Yeah this one has always felt very true for me.
Just re-watched that highlight, and you're right. Definitely a rarity, but the correct decision.
I think expecting the referee to decide on added time is outdated, especially with 3 assistants on the pitch.
There is so much going on in the elite game how can they be expected to mentally add up stoppages.
There are such fine margins in the game these days it seems crazy that the length of the game is essentially left to guess work from a referee
There is so much going on in the elite game how can they be expected to mentally add up stoppages.
There are such fine margins in the game these days it seems crazy that the length of the game is essentially left to guess work from a referee
Every game you see fouls given for the most minimal contact when it's outside of the box, but when it's inside the box the threshold is always 10x higher. Surely a foul is a foul regardless of where it is on the pitch?
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@Jack-C20 posted similar on page 1 but this has ground my gears since time immemorial and I’ve posted on it in the past:
Oh, remembered another one. If you're wondering where I am I'll be in here all day.
Players who are injured who get themselves back on the pitch to receive treatment, at which point their injury becomes so severe that they are literally unable to move off the pitch to keep receiving treatment. Is there anything more blatantly designed to waste time and ruin the opposition's momentum? Has it ever been sanctioned with a yellow card?
Players who are injured who get themselves back on the pitch to receive treatment, at which point their injury becomes so severe that they are literally unable to move off the pitch to keep receiving treatment. Is there anything more blatantly designed to waste time and ruin the opposition's momentum? Has it ever been sanctioned with a yellow card?
1. Referees ignoring the opposition player standing yards in front of the player trying to take a quick free-kick. This is rarely reprimanded and almost never with a yellow card. Let's get this straight, the team that has committed the foul has zero right to prevent the quick free-kick. The free-kick is meant to penalise them, and one of the consequences of that is the potential of a quick free-kick catching the opposition team out of shape!
2. Referees never being ready for the quick free-kick, and usually calling back the play for no reason other than the fact that they were simply not ready. Lest you think this is has always been the case, it hasn't. I watch a great deal of older games in the 80's/90's/00's, from multiple leagues, both domestic and foreign, and referees permitted quick free-kicks at a significantly higher rate than they do now. There's no reason or logic behind it, or why X referee isn't switched-on and ready for the play to restart.
2. Referees never being ready for the quick free-kick, and usually calling back the play for no reason other than the fact that they were simply not ready. Lest you think this is has always been the case, it hasn't. I watch a great deal of older games in the 80's/90's/00's, from multiple leagues, both domestic and foreign, and referees permitted quick free-kicks at a significantly higher rate than they do now. There's no reason or logic behind it, or why X referee isn't switched-on and ready for the play to restart.
I’ve always thought it was strange you can go up for a header, completely miss the ball and head Butt another player with no repercussions. If the ball is on the ground and I miss it and hit you with my foot it’s a foul, but when the ball is in the air and it’s head to head, no problem at all, can mistime your challenge without any issue.
If you book 2 or 3 players from the same team in a row, you then have to book the other team for the next foul they make regardless of how soft it is, purely so the crowd doesn't boo you
Same goes for fouls, if you're giving too many one way (however justified) you have to then give one back
Same goes for fouls, if you're giving too many one way (however justified) you have to then give one back
I do agree, but then there is the issue of whether the opposition player forced you into that position or whether you willingly went. You can't really get booked for the former, otherwise it would be a fantastic way for defenders to get guaranteed freekicks.
The most annoying one for me is the defender getting brushed in the back and they fall over like they have been lanced. Foul for a defender but not for an attacker.
Players blocking freekicks from being taken quickly should be a yellow card, also, if they are too close to the ball.
Any confrontation between two players ends in both getting yellow cards, even if one of them didn't do anything.
Good ones. The standing in front of a free kick thing is actively coached at the underage level. My son’s coach bollocks any player who doesn’t do it. Should be a yellow card every time. So easy to enforce too.
The key difference is that the ball is in play when you’re keeping it in the corner. It’s up to the opposition to get the ball back.
This x1000
- Over the recent years, getting booked is no longer just dependent on the quality of the foul or offence. The reaction of offending player, offended player, crowd, teammates etc have become of equal importance. Even blatant fouls like deliberate fouling to stop a counter have somehow become subjective if the offending player acts nonchalantly and walks away.
- Maybe its me, but I see that referees are too often cutting passing lanes and getting in between moves
- Referees in CL/EL give no fecks about the actual stoppage in the game and just assign a random small amount. And even if they add 4 mins and someone gets injured for a minute during the added time, they will still blow the whistle exactly at 94:00
- The double jeopardy law brought in place to avoid red card and penalties is only considered in case of a tackle i.e. if the player committing the foul was genuinely going for the ball and not committing a cynical foul. This law has not been translated correctly when it comes to handball decisions on the line. Two cases spring to mind. Willian against us and Reece James against Liverpool. In both cases, the player had their arm tucked in but it was the case of them making a genuine effort to stop the goal legally but couldn't do so and hence didn't deserve the red.
- More of a general issue than a referee one. VAR has brought a series of rules which, though technically correct, have unleased a madness which seems impossible to reconcile. The ridiculous handball decisions is leading to penalties where there's no threat of goal. In my opinion, a handball penalty should only be given if a player has their arm in an unnatural position and also stops a decisive movement of the ball. If there is no threat of goal, why should any handball penalty be given if the defender hasn't committed it deliberately or with significant stupidity? There are insane number of examples but I can't get beyond the CL final penalty against Spurs. While correct as per rules, there is no way an attacking team deserves to get that. In a low scoring game like football, such decisions need to be more thought through. Otherwise there's a genuine chance of players just aiming for opponents arm. Statistically, it will become the more likely way of getting a goal.
Generally, referees should just be way more liberal with yellow cards for tactical fouls, time wasting, and other crap like obstructing free kick taking, kicking the ball away, etc. Would likely open up the games more and lead to a more entertaining game.
If a player is running with the ball and an opposing player slides in and inserts his leg directly where the running player's foot is about to meet the grass in his stride, it's somehow regarded as a horrible foul and has resulted in red cards at times. I remember Pogba got sent off for that a few years back. Literally just running and suddenly a leg is shoved into the space where your stride comes down in the next millisecond. It's impossible for the player to avoid stepping on that leg, there's no time to react and they might not even see it.
When a player goes down and then grabs the ball with his hands and looks at the referee for a foul, the ref almost always gives the foul instead of handball the other way. Sometimes it's highly marginal and perhaps he should just award the handball.
Anyone see the video doing rounds on social where the ball deflects off the ref and goes in goal? Does that count as a quirk?
The referee would have to be very poorly positioned for that to happen, so probably yes. Was it a weirdly inaccurate penalty or something?
Something that I've only seen in the PL so far is refs not going back to give clear yellow cards after giving an advantage.
I don't know if it's laziness or instructions to keep the game moving or some bullshit like this.
I don't know if it's laziness or instructions to keep the game moving or some bullshit like this.
Ye this is one that baffles me. The same foul that happens inside the penalty area would get given as a free kick so why’s it not a pen?…
Oh yeah. I totally forgot about that one.
Giving cards based on paused frames without any other objectivity being used.
Even if the player is justified in thinking it's a free kick against his opponent (and usually he's not), he's still deliberately hand balling in an attempt to pressure the ref. If refs yellow-carded this, it would go away almost overnight.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen the ref enter the box before, unless a penalty is about to be taken
Completely agree with both of your examples, but I wonder if anyone remembers Adama Traore running through a defender's back two or three years back, clearly a foul, but getting away with it. I think it may have even lead to a goal.
I don't put up with that one. I tell the player that it doesn't work with me and he/she better get back or it's a caution.
Good stuff. Are you a referee? The ref’s in my son’s league are as accepting of it as the refs in the PL. I guess referees are like kids. They copy what they see on the TV.
Yeah, started last October and enjoying it for the most part! Figured it was a good way to give back after all of the times I've yelled at refs over the years.
When certain managers moan about refs, refs double down and give even more decisions against them just to punish them for having a go at their ref buddies. When certain other managers moan about refs, refs seem to say "Hmm, maybe he does have a point and we've been harsh on them" and give them more decisions to appease them.
Just happened to Martial. Absolutely wiped out by Dunk well after he'd taken the shot. Nothing given.
Rashford and Martial get taken out but because it happened after they had played the ball, nothing is given.
Soon as anything remotely similar happened to their keeper it was given as a foul.
When a United player plays through a press, the opposition team seems to be allowed to cynically stop the next forward action and avoid a yellow.