I think we should blow all our cash on attackers. We just can’t create or play any decent type of football. Go heavy load on attackers. We ain’t winning the league with Lingard and Lukaku as our attackers.
Summer 2019 - What’s Acceptable?
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7 x 50,000,000 (the cap for what we should be paying for players...especially considering we're probably going to be Europa League)
350,000,000 war chest.
Overall; £500,000,000 over the next 4 transfer windows.
350,000,000 war chest.
Overall; £500,000,000 over the next 4 transfer windows.
Acceptable to see alot of the squad cleaned out.
Valencia, Darmian, Jones, Bailey, Rojo, Herrera, Mata, Matic, Sanchez
Bring in
RB, LB, CBx2, CMx2, RW.
Wan Bissaka/Meunior/Max Aarons/Kevin Mbabu (hes decent, young and attacking. Wont cost a bomb)
Tierney/Ferland Mendy.. Can't think of to many options but Shaw needs competition/Rotation. But they would have to be a specialist left back.
Alderweireld has to be a major target at only £25mil. The rest of the options Varane/De Ligt/Koulibaly/Milenkovic/Umtitti?..
Centre mids - Rabiot/Barellla/N'Dombele/Partey/Rice....
RW - Sancho/CHO/Neres.
I know this is all fantasy but we need to revamp this squad drastically. But will we? I doubt it. I'd love to sign two of the three RW options as well.
To many players in our team who look like they've won a competiton to be able to represent our club.
Valencia, Darmian, Jones, Bailey, Rojo, Herrera, Mata, Matic, Sanchez
Bring in
RB, LB, CBx2, CMx2, RW.
Wan Bissaka/Meunior/Max Aarons/Kevin Mbabu (hes decent, young and attacking. Wont cost a bomb)
Tierney/Ferland Mendy.. Can't think of to many options but Shaw needs competition/Rotation. But they would have to be a specialist left back.
Alderweireld has to be a major target at only £25mil. The rest of the options Varane/De Ligt/Koulibaly/Milenkovic/Umtitti?..
Centre mids - Rabiot/Barellla/N'Dombele/Partey/Rice....
RW - Sancho/CHO/Neres.
I know this is all fantasy but we need to revamp this squad drastically. But will we? I doubt it. I'd love to sign two of the three RW options as well.
To many players in our team who look like they've won a competiton to be able to represent our club.
It's a new managers first summer so will definitely spent big. Can see us hitting 200 million. 150 without a doubt.
To attack well you also need good fullbacks and midfielders otherwise your attackers will spend all game feeding on scraps.
I think, realistically, we need to spend a minimum of £300m net to have a meaningful impact. This assumes we keep Pogba. I don’t expect the deadwood to raise much so maybe £350m gross spend. This would give us one world class / near world class player and three good young players with the potential to improve.
It's really not about the amount being spent.
We will either get the right amount of right players or we will continue to underperform and have the same discussions.
I believe Sanchez could pick up since he is class player with proven track record who is also professional. We could skip the 100+ mil on right winger and wait till someone is available or get a kid with potential and rotate them there.
Luke Shaw could prolly do good on the left as a starter, rest of the defence needs sorting, maybe even 2 players.
Rashford and Martial are both very good players just not as good as us fans want them to be and I think this is where the disappointment with them lies. With team sorted around them they could be great in the coming years, rest of the midfield needs sorting though.
A lot of rumors of who is staying and going, add to that some aging players and the Pogba circus that is picking up again. We might need 2-3 midfield players if we decide to not build a team around Pogba and cash out or 1-2 otherwise.
Rash, Lukaku and Martial are all capable of 20-ish goals a season and could rotate, we also have Greenwood coming. Neither of them is Kane or Aguero though, it depends on how you wanna go about it. I would prefer to keep the young guys and let them develop into something beautiful and strengthen rest of the team.
Total of 4-5 players needed and with current market prices could be 300-500 mil if we go for Woodward type of players. Should be covered by shirt sales, new sponsors and winning something for a change.
We will either get the right amount of right players or we will continue to underperform and have the same discussions.
I believe Sanchez could pick up since he is class player with proven track record who is also professional. We could skip the 100+ mil on right winger and wait till someone is available or get a kid with potential and rotate them there.
Luke Shaw could prolly do good on the left as a starter, rest of the defence needs sorting, maybe even 2 players.
Rashford and Martial are both very good players just not as good as us fans want them to be and I think this is where the disappointment with them lies. With team sorted around them they could be great in the coming years, rest of the midfield needs sorting though.
A lot of rumors of who is staying and going, add to that some aging players and the Pogba circus that is picking up again. We might need 2-3 midfield players if we decide to not build a team around Pogba and cash out or 1-2 otherwise.
Rash, Lukaku and Martial are all capable of 20-ish goals a season and could rotate, we also have Greenwood coming. Neither of them is Kane or Aguero though, it depends on how you wanna go about it. I would prefer to keep the young guys and let them develop into something beautiful and strengthen rest of the team.
Total of 4-5 players needed and with current market prices could be 300-500 mil if we go for Woodward type of players. Should be covered by shirt sales, new sponsors and winning something for a change.
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You living in 2008?
Not really. Otherwise I would have said 50 million.You living in 2008?
We spent around those numbers as recently as the summers of 2015/16/17. I expect us to go beyond this time, but I'm providing a minimum outlay. If we really want to spend big it can cross 250 million but I don't want to expect too much.
We can't rely on Sanchez. A quality RW is the top most priority IMO.
Assuming we keep Pogba and De Gea.
A RB, CB RW and 2 CMS is the only window that is acceptable.
1 CM if herrera stays.
All positions mentioned must be purchased of players who are intended to be first 11 players.
A RB, CB RW and 2 CMS is the only window that is acceptable.
1 CM if herrera stays.
All positions mentioned must be purchased of players who are intended to be first 11 players.
Gonna be controversial and say if we keep Herrera, we don’t need another midfielder.
The focus has to be:
A centre back who goes in and is a partner for Lindelof. Varane?
Another defender who is a squad player and would in effect replace Rojo, Darmian and anyone else who leaves. Perhaps a player who can play in more than 1 position.
An experienced right back who is a better right back than Young. Someone who could in theory alternate with Dalot
Make a decision on Sanchez. I think he deserves another year. For me the worry is Mata, if he leaves we need to bring in cover for him. That’s 30 games and loads of experience we need to replace.
An experienced centre forward. Someone who’d be happy to play bit of a super sub role. Think a more technical version of Fellaini who we can bring on when chasing a game.
So, we need 3 if Mata and Herrera stay. 5 if they leave.
There’s a lot of similarities between now and the end of the 2005/2006 season. Tweaks rather than another revolution is what we need.
The focus has to be:
A centre back who goes in and is a partner for Lindelof. Varane?
Another defender who is a squad player and would in effect replace Rojo, Darmian and anyone else who leaves. Perhaps a player who can play in more than 1 position.
An experienced right back who is a better right back than Young. Someone who could in theory alternate with Dalot
Make a decision on Sanchez. I think he deserves another year. For me the worry is Mata, if he leaves we need to bring in cover for him. That’s 30 games and loads of experience we need to replace.
An experienced centre forward. Someone who’d be happy to play bit of a super sub role. Think a more technical version of Fellaini who we can bring on when chasing a game.
So, we need 3 if Mata and Herrera stay. 5 if they leave.
There’s a lot of similarities between now and the end of the 2005/2006 season. Tweaks rather than another revolution is what we need.
Alderweireld ,Manolas, Meunier, Rabiot, Neves, Dybala, Griezmann in....sell Pogba, Degea, Sanchez, Mata, Young, Valencia, Rojo, Darmian, Jones.
A- We strengthen the football side of the club. A DoF is a must + I hope we give SAF a bigger role at board level
B- The deadwood need to leave. We have too many players who are here to suck a living
C-Ddg and Pogba need to paid at par to sanchez. Once we showed we can pay that outrageous salary for the Chilean version of jesse lingard that was inevitable
D-Sanchez needs to go. There is nothing to justify his salary and he is shit
E- We need to reintroduce some sort of wage structure. A reserve cannot be paid as a first teamer
F- we need to buy young players who are hungry for success
My team for next season would be
Gk: DDG, Joel P, Henderson
DR: Milenkovic, Dalot, young
Dl: Tierney, Shaw
DC: Smalling, Lindelof, de ligt, Bailly, tuanzebe
DM: Rabiot , matic
Mc: Herrera, Fred, periera
Mc: Pogba, fernandes
Rw: lozano, Jesse lingard
Lw: martial, bergwijn
Stk:lukaku, rashford
B- The deadwood need to leave. We have too many players who are here to suck a living
C-Ddg and Pogba need to paid at par to sanchez. Once we showed we can pay that outrageous salary for the Chilean version of jesse lingard that was inevitable
D-Sanchez needs to go. There is nothing to justify his salary and he is shit
E- We need to reintroduce some sort of wage structure. A reserve cannot be paid as a first teamer
F- we need to buy young players who are hungry for success
My team for next season would be
Gk: DDG, Joel P, Henderson
DR: Milenkovic, Dalot, young
Dl: Tierney, Shaw
DC: Smalling, Lindelof, de ligt, Bailly, tuanzebe
DM: Rabiot , matic
Mc: Herrera, Fred, periera
Mc: Pogba, fernandes
Rw: lozano, Jesse lingard
Lw: martial, bergwijn
Stk:lukaku, rashford
I’d probably add another left back to that actually. I think a decision should be made on Shaws long term future should be made next year.
An acceptable summer for me would be losing all the Deadwood in our squad. How long are we going to persist with all these players who are nowhere near good enough. Jones, young, smalling, lingard, darmian and Rojo consistently prove they are not good enough and consistent enough to be top players.
Smalling and lingard had their moments but they are not good enough as first team players. Fine as back up but in the summer we need to sign upgrades on these players if we want to compete and start winning things again. We are in a lot of trouble because in my opinion Matic is too slow and regressing. Sanchez is finished and I've doubts about Lukaku being good enough. We could be losing Herrera so he would need replacing.
The whole thing is a mess and it falls back on our board constantly making wrong decisions. We constantly reward players who aren't good enough with new contracts and let the contracts of our better players run down. Do any of us trust ed to make the right decisions in the summer? Will our board be ruthless enough to get rid of all the deadwood and bring in good young talent? I have my doubts every summer I hear we have big money to spend and we are going to go all out for our targets but we end up flaffing around and panic buying.
Ole has a massive job on his hands let's just hope he's the right man because the next two or so years are vital or we could risk being turned into an Ac Milan or an Arsenal where our only ambition is top four with no sign of a title In our Immediate future. The only worry I have is, thats all the parasites in our club are worried about is once we get champions league football they are happy. In my opinion the board and owners are killing our club with poor appointments and decisions. Rant over before I keep going on
Smalling and lingard had their moments but they are not good enough as first team players. Fine as back up but in the summer we need to sign upgrades on these players if we want to compete and start winning things again. We are in a lot of trouble because in my opinion Matic is too slow and regressing. Sanchez is finished and I've doubts about Lukaku being good enough. We could be losing Herrera so he would need replacing.
The whole thing is a mess and it falls back on our board constantly making wrong decisions. We constantly reward players who aren't good enough with new contracts and let the contracts of our better players run down. Do any of us trust ed to make the right decisions in the summer? Will our board be ruthless enough to get rid of all the deadwood and bring in good young talent? I have my doubts every summer I hear we have big money to spend and we are going to go all out for our targets but we end up flaffing around and panic buying.
Ole has a massive job on his hands let's just hope he's the right man because the next two or so years are vital or we could risk being turned into an Ac Milan or an Arsenal where our only ambition is top four with no sign of a title In our Immediate future. The only worry I have is, thats all the parasites in our club are worried about is once we get champions league football they are happy. In my opinion the board and owners are killing our club with poor appointments and decisions. Rant over before I keep going on
My reasoning with Sanchez that he doesn't show lack of effort or skill, he's just having and off season and a bit unlucky with injuries. Coaches also say he's working hard in training.
I would love if we get Sancho or any other winger quoted but not for the amount of money being linked with such transfer. This will weaken us in other areas. Sancho was already in the PL and was let go, additionally we have bad experience with all players bought from Germany (Hargreaves, Kagawa, Mikhtarian).
I prefer if we go for prospect 19-20 years old kid that is being scouted and rotate him with Sanchez on the right. Chong has the Fellaini hair so who knows what might happen there. One world class player to inspire the kids and just give it time.
It honestly won't look that bad if the whole team isn't crumbling under pressure and had the ability and stamina to recover the ball, we just have too many average old dudes. This just leads to everyone being unable to do their job properly and puts every little mistake in the spotlight.
150m will get us two players in this market...
I'd be over the moon with:
Koulibaly/De Ligt/Varane £90m
Wan-Bissaka £40m
Declan Rice/Partey/Neves £45m
Ndombele/Fernandes £50m
Sancho £80m
That's over 300m and what we'd need to spend to get closer to the top.
Outs:
Darmian, Valencia, Rojo, Herrera, Mata, Sanchez
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We need to spend 4-500 million this summer!
Its going to take $500 million and 6 quality players... and that might not be enough!!
Valencia and Darmian both expire now, I think. Would be odd if we extend with either of them. Ole hasn't mentioned them, iirc.
Can't remember him saying anything about Rojo either, so might presume we're looking for a buyer there (he still has a couple of years on his contract, afaik.).
Pereira expires now too - has Ole said anything about him recently?
Then there's the Spanish trio. Ole has said, recently, that he wants to keep all three (that would include Mata - yes).
The issue with Mata is apparently that he wants a longer deal - but, again, Ole isn't looking to ship him out.
Very likely gone, then:
Valencia, Darmian
Likely not in Ole's plans (but needs a taker):
Rojo
Unknown status (but contract expires):
Pereira
People who want Young, Smalling and Jones gone are dreaming, in my opinion. No indication of that happening, recently extended contracts for all three.
Edit We triggered the option for Pereira, so ignore the above with regard to him. Could still sell him, of course, but Ole's remarks when he took over as caretaker seemed quite positive - and he's been getting minutes, so.
Can't remember him saying anything about Rojo either, so might presume we're looking for a buyer there (he still has a couple of years on his contract, afaik.).
Pereira expires now too - has Ole said anything about him recently?
Then there's the Spanish trio. Ole has said, recently, that he wants to keep all three (that would include Mata - yes).
The issue with Mata is apparently that he wants a longer deal - but, again, Ole isn't looking to ship him out.
Very likely gone, then:
Valencia, Darmian
Likely not in Ole's plans (but needs a taker):
Rojo
Unknown status (but contract expires):
Pereira
People who want Young, Smalling and Jones gone are dreaming, in my opinion. No indication of that happening, recently extended contracts for all three.
Edit We triggered the option for Pereira, so ignore the above with regard to him. Could still sell him, of course, but Ole's remarks when he took over as caretaker seemed quite positive - and he's been getting minutes, so.
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That right there tells you everything you need to know about the folks running the football side of this club!
Well - yeah.
But if things pan out as they could none of those will be starters next season. We do need squad players, can't ship out the whole squad even if it sometimes feels as though we should...
Minimum for me is three first team players, however that looks. I’d like four but the quality we need means we’ll never spend £300+ million
A couple of €100m players (£85m each) and say a £50-60m player is more reasonable.
I think it’ll be above £200m but below £250m
A couple of €100m players (£85m each) and say a £50-60m player is more reasonable.
I think it’ll be above £200m but below £250m
That view doesn't hold up to scrutiny. The only one that you can use that for is Smalling. We signed both Rojo and Jones to new contracts, Rojo doesn't play and Jones misses large chunks of every season. Those 3 players take up £250k/wk in wages. We could have let go of all of them end of season and replaced them with a top centre back and Tuanzebe (who showed a lot of promise on loan).
The much more likely reason for signing them on to new contracts, is that we are hedging our bets because a new centre back isn't likely. If we do get a new centre back, then the players have sell on value, if we don't then they can't go on a free. It's all about saving money.
First is a CB, 2nd is CM, 3rd is RB , 4th is another CM, and tie down the keeper, if Pogba wants out let him go for big money, Herrera can go if he wants more money than offered, the only thing is to attract the quality we need, if those 4 positions are done, a few will go. Darmian, Valencia, Young, Rojo, and Sanchez hopefully,
But DDG, is a must to keep and I think we will.
But DDG, is a must to keep and I think we will.
I don’t expect anything from the club going on previous seasons, it’ll be the usual 2 or 3 really uninspiring signings.
We should announce a big signing before the window opens and show we mean business but no doubt it’ll be down to the last couple of weeks of the window and we will have done nothing.
We should announce a big signing before the window opens and show we mean business but no doubt it’ll be down to the last couple of weeks of the window and we will have done nothing.
Could have, yes. I'm trying to be realistic, though. We won't ship out either Smalling or Jones, that's just cold reality.
And I do think Ole aims to bring in a starting CB, as in, this is the plan/something he prioritizes.
Rojo's extension was Maureen's doing, Ole is probably fine with selling him if someone comes calling. Bailly? Ditto, I think. Don't think Ole rates him highly.
New man + Lindelof. Chuckle brothers as primary backups. Room for one more - a youngster if we can't get rid of Rojo/Bailly (but we should try if Ole doesn't want them).
And, yes, Jones is injury prone and you'll get no argument from me if you claim he's unreliable even as backup. But that call has been made.
We showed with the contract extensions that we aren't letting go of Jones or Smalling, so I thought we agreed on that? I think the point is that there is a big difference between what we could have done and what we actually did. Signing Jones AND Smalling is in my opinion a clear sign that we aren't going to strongly pursue another centre back. At most you could justify Smalling being extended but not both.
This idea that Rojo was Moaninho's doing is unfounded. He not only signed Lindelof, but wanted another defender last summer. There is no indication that he wanted to keep Rojo.
The alternative is that Ed insisted on it, then, which is bizarre enough. It wasn't done on Ole's watch at any rate, unless my memory is even more shit than normal.
I can't deny that what you suggest is true, of course, but I have to doubt it. Ole probably isn't fine with the existing CB options.
And on a general note, it's overly pessimistic to think that Ed counts on Ole going into next season on a shoestring budget. I appreciate that this fits a certain narrative that's popular in some circles but I just find it too depressing to entertain. There's nothing in the owners' post-SAF history to indicate that they won't grant a new manager a decent transfer budget. So, if Ole considers a new CB important, I think the funds are there.
3 top players who improve the team from day 1. CB, CM, RW to the tune of 250m.
2 less expensive players to complete the window: RB and versatile forward.
If we need to sell Lukaku for 60m so be it.
Hopefully we can keep Herrera and recoup some money from Bailly, Sanchez, Rojo and Darmian. Mata and Valencia to leave on free transfer.
2 less expensive players to complete the window: RB and versatile forward.
If we need to sell Lukaku for 60m so be it.
Hopefully we can keep Herrera and recoup some money from Bailly, Sanchez, Rojo and Darmian. Mata and Valencia to leave on free transfer.
I think people need to be a little open minded regarding fees. One player can cost 100 million or 30 million depending on circumstances. It's as if everybody is hard wired into believing that every single footballer will cost 70 million. 150 million can get you one footballer or 4. Dalot was signed for a small fee. If you sign 4/5 (which I think we will) it could include a punt or two. On the other hand, Sancho may cost us 120 million if manage to get it. There are many possibilities.
I spoke of 150 as a bare minimum. I think 200-250 is more apt and I can see us getting 4/5 players within that. Either way, it's about quality for me. Even if we sign three they have to footballers that move us towards high tempo stylish attacking football. No point spending 300 million and focusing on effort and physicality. It's time for excellence.
Sanchez hasn't been merely unlucky or off form, he has regressed. Personally I think he's over the hill and rapidly sliding down it. I'm sure he can improve on what he has shown but I think he'll continue to be poor/average/good at best. So I'd do anything to get rid, if I was Ole.
You know the squad quality is bad when someone lists nine potential exits and you can still think of others, not included, who should be on that list.
That list does include three who are pretty much half way out the door and irrelevant (Valencia, Darmian and Rojo), and play no real part in our season, and two who the club do not want to leave (Matic and Herrera. Heck the latter two are first choice CMs for us.
6 Players Could Leave Man Utd (BBC):
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/47805207
I think it's pretty obvious that Herrera is going. Mata looks like he could be off too then. I'd imagine Darmian, Bailly and Sanchez are the remaining 3 players.
If rumours are true that pogba wants 500,000 per week to stay at united he can bugger off too.
The last thing we want is another Sanchez inflating our already outrageous wage bill. We want players who really want to play for us, not ones that see us as a place to take advantage of.
We may have to pay some of Sanchez's wages for him to leave. That is the only logical way to get rid of him. Or even a loan move for a season with option to buy - again we'd have to pay some % of his wages.
Personally I'd love for Herrera to stay - if rumours of a PSG move are true, who does he replace in their midfield? I'd imagine he'd be a rotation player for them.
Mata would be great as a squad player too. He is probably the only midfielder we have that can keep the ball under pressure really well. Plus his personality is brilliant.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/47805207
I think it's pretty obvious that Herrera is going. Mata looks like he could be off too then. I'd imagine Darmian, Bailly and Sanchez are the remaining 3 players.
If rumours are true that pogba wants 500,000 per week to stay at united he can bugger off too.
The last thing we want is another Sanchez inflating our already outrageous wage bill. We want players who really want to play for us, not ones that see us as a place to take advantage of.
We may have to pay some of Sanchez's wages for him to leave. That is the only logical way to get rid of him. Or even a loan move for a season with option to buy - again we'd have to pay some % of his wages.
Personally I'd love for Herrera to stay - if rumours of a PSG move are true, who does he replace in their midfield? I'd imagine he'd be a rotation player for them.
Mata would be great as a squad player too. He is probably the only midfielder we have that can keep the ball under pressure really well. Plus his personality is brilliant.