I mean they do that's why we don't concede off every corner but eventually a ball goes in that they can't get near
Targeting David De Gea
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I mean they do that's why we don't concede off every corner but eventually a ball goes in that they can't get near
We definitely need to be better organised at set pieces particularly corners because teams know there is a weakness with De Gea coming to collect the ball and feel they can bully him easily, maybe look at putting a strong header of the ball on the front post like Maguire because one of the league specialists is coming to Old Trafford on Tues and will be licking his lips at the prospect of facing us.
Teams have been doing this for years. We are suckers for not dealing with this.
DDG is just not good enough at too many things in the game and is a huge reason this defense looks like it has never played together before.
DDG is just not good enough at too many things in the game and is a huge reason this defense looks like it has never played together before.
It seems like there is an innate fear in De Gea about colliding with players. He seems very averse to arial duels and leaving the 6-yard box which is worrying if your'e a keeper.
I wonder if the issue is psychological - maybe a previous incident perhaps that has left a mental scar? He wasn't as 'brittle' when he first started with us.
Hopefully he is getting the psychological support (if relevant) and conditioning required.
I wonder if the issue is psychological - maybe a previous incident perhaps that has left a mental scar? He wasn't as 'brittle' when he first started with us.
Hopefully he is getting the psychological support (if relevant) and conditioning required.
I don't think he was brave in the box before, but no doubt this didn't encourage him much
Carroll really should have been sent off and banned for a while. Pure assault. But like people have said, Dave is too timid, when he's fouled he needs to be screaming at the ref. He just looks quiet and disappointed.
Did Carroll get a yellow at least? Man that was a horrendous challenge. I agree, Dave isn’t vocal enough. That might be his personality though.
I've said it for a while now. We need a new keeper. De Gea has clear weaknesses he's not improved on and it's been affecting the team for a couple of years now.
Time for ddg to go
He is soft. Physically he can be got at
He will never challenge for 50.50
Was at fault for 2 important goals tonight
Henderson needs game time to build upon becoming no1
He is soft. Physically he can be got at
He will never challenge for 50.50
Was at fault for 2 important goals tonight
Henderson needs game time to build upon becoming no1
A declining keeper is never good when we are trying to get up to that next level.
He has never adapted to the physical side of the Premier League, he got roughed up in his first few games I remember and I think that fear of physical contact has remained with him. That it why he has difficulty in commanding his 6 yard box and dealing with crosses and reluctance in attacking players in a one to one situation.
Teams seem to be piling on him more than ever on corners, it's becoming a real problem. I know he had issues when he first came here with strength but he should be well past that by now.
De Gea every other team will target him even more after this, it's like when a kid is getting bullied at school.. once the other kids know the kid is a soft touch more will bully him.. they will study his weaknesses and exploit them.. get a player to stand on his toes during corners, chase him down when he's messing about with the ball at his feet, doesn't come for crosses, never clears his lines etc he's a coward doesn't boss his area enough but every now and again makes a fantastic shot stopping save due to reflexes so gets overrated even though he has so many flaws in his game he hasn't ironed out since the day he joined the club.. he's a great Shot Stopper but not much else below the surface he costs the team more points the last few years even when he was praised for being Uniteds best player in a poor season it was his mess and responsibility too... Yet Manchester United are desperate to keep him and stop him from going to Madrid.. we are idiots when we have Henderson..
Henderson is the name on everyone's lips.. yet because he doesn't have a fancy name he don't get a proper run in the first team.. he's done brilliantly every time he plays
All these years Manchester United have struggled and the common denominator!? De Gea in goal.. coincidence? I think NOT! He IS the problem! A goal keeper is so influential.. setting up attacks etc
De Gea is poor at communicating, penalties, commanding his area, with the ball at his feet, setting up attacks, sweeping and commencing his area
Valdes, Tim Howard and Roy Carrol was better keepers at the basics.
Henderson is the name on everyone's lips.. yet because he doesn't have a fancy name he don't get a proper run in the first team.. he's done brilliantly every time he plays
All these years Manchester United have struggled and the common denominator!? De Gea in goal.. coincidence? I think NOT! He IS the problem! A goal keeper is so influential.. setting up attacks etc
De Gea is poor at communicating, penalties, commanding his area, with the ball at his feet, setting up attacks, sweeping and commencing his area
Valdes, Tim Howard and Roy Carrol was better keepers at the basics.
He is also the highest paid player at Manchester United and also the Premier League's biggest earner too. De Gea earns a weekly salary of £375,000. I don't think he should be talking all the blame though. But shouldn't be the highest paid player in the Premier league either.
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He literally doesn't care. He was a fax error away from joining Real Madrid when he was at his peak and when United were at our lowest. He's just here for the money, nothing more, nothing less. You can see it in the way he plays and lack of dedication to the cause. The goals conceded against Kluivert and Calvert-Lewin are indefensible, he made such a meek, pathetic attempt to make a challenge that we may as well not had a keeper.
I also don't see how Maguire is more culpable than de Gea. Maguire was beaten for pace by their first goal, but pulled Calvert-Lewin out wide, and he was forced to play a nothing ball into the middle which any keeper should have easily dealt with. Their third goal, both Maguire and McTominay played Everton onside, but de Gea's lack of a challenge on Calvert-Lewin, again, simply indefensible.
I think Maguire kept Everton on side for the third goal.
He did, and Maguire should have done better with that one, but De Gea needs to charge at that and make himself big. Instead he stands there and kind of turns a little. A keeper needs to be a nutter. Willing to throw himself at that ball. De Gea is just too timid. And while it's hard to say the goal was his fault, he didn't do anything to bail his team out either. Same goes with the first goal. 3 shots on target and 3 goals against. There was a time when De Gea had the highest save percentage in the league and he used to win games for us. I honestly can't remember the last time De Gea was MOTM and was responsible for us getting 3 points...
Don't blame teams for targeting him because he is a weak link in our backline, even in his top form there was never any command of his area and now the strong areas of his game have really started to decline these last two years
It's coaching, It has to be. City have at most 2 players (if that) who are 1.90m and over and barely ever concede from set pieces.
We have a team of giants who are all relatively poor in the air!
His attributes as a keeper are absolutely shocking. Reflex saves aside (which diminish as the years go by) what else does he bring to the team? Arial control, nope. Decent distribution, nope. Command and marshalling of his area, very little. And that's before we even talk about his lack of penalty saves which is really fecking weird for a keeper that relies on reflexes and loves his line.
He will always have a worldly reflex save in him no doubt but he has let this side down too many times during vital stages of a season which has cost us. I for one would love to see Henderson given a proper run in the side and let him grow in to it the way the club let De Gea do the same. We need a stronger presence in goal to move forward. We need more than a decent shot stopper.
He will always have a worldly reflex save in him no doubt but he has let this side down too many times during vital stages of a season which has cost us. I for one would love to see Henderson given a proper run in the side and let him grow in to it the way the club let De Gea do the same. We need a stronger presence in goal to move forward. We need more than a decent shot stopper.
I think he was brittle to start - he rarely came for crosses - but everyone put it down to not being used to the PL. I am more worried about his refusal to spread himself at players' feet, but then I was brought up watching Bob Wilson (the bravest ever), Joe Corrigan, Peter Bonetti and Gordon Banks
We either need a commanding defender or a commanding goalie. DDG is our highest paid player so I doubt we can do anything about that and Maguire is the most expensive defender. Our best option is to replace Lindelof and get a commanding defending.