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This is like that weird sorry, not sorry thread
It's funny, but this sentiment actually seems to exist. There's this idea that you have to have your little brand of football and impose that upon your team for your victories to mean anything. You have to be Tiki-Taka, or you have be be Gegenpressing, or you have to be whatever the feck "Poch" is supposed to play. Sarri had his Chelsea and Juve sides playing some of the most dire football you could ever watch (with the closest analogue being LVG's United), yet he never seemed to have much media pressure because "he's doing Vertical Tiki-Taka, mate".Are the MSM coming to realise that Ole is not just managing on Vibes?
This clip is like a fine wine.
Yeah fair. I think if there is no serious title challenge questions will certainly be asked of Ole and the players but if next season City keep us at arm's length, with us on 85 or so to their 90+ by the end, you could hardly call the season a disgrace and call for Ole's head. Europe is key as you say; a poor showing in the CL and nothing much in the league will not be satisfactory for many fans.You're right - expecting a title challenge is probably too soon, but we've established that we are a top 4 team in the country, the next step is to close the gap & separate us from the rest.
What I would want is for us to go further in Europe - QF's is attainable, and reach a domestic cup final, while finishing top 3.
I think we're about 4/5 players (first XI & squad) from really going toe to toe with City & the best in Europe, that's still about 2 years away.
Mainly performances - one of my biggest criticisms was that particularly early on the season we looked clueless in attack, and toothless in defence. We were scoring and winning, but by the end of the match I would feel relief, that we managed to get through it, rather than elation for example.
The biggest difference now is that I no longer feel worried that we're going to lose a match, nor do I feel like we won't create chances even if we go a goal down - I haven't felt that way since SAF.
This chip on the shoulder regarding Ole has destroyed half of the football conversation on the site. You can't even discuss the merits of Rodgers (for example) without pro-Ole'ers getting their kicks in. Like, he's awesome, please move onAbout time. The shit he got/gets was a disgrace. These hacks said Arteta was an elite manager and Ole isn’t half as good as him. feck off.
Some of them were pretty vile too, both in how they attacked Ole and the posters who believed he deserved a chance. I'm petty enough to believe that they should never be allowed back into the general forum population's good graces. They should forever be shamed for their ridiculous garbage posting.Plenty on here that owe him one too, won't hold my breath.
At least your needle is moving buddy.I was probably the chairman of the Ole out club, right now I'm on the fence. Still far from any apologies, long may the improvement continue.
He came close on Extra Time the other day and actually gave a reasonable justification for his stance. He said that Ole cannot be seen as a success without winning either the PL or the CL due to the size of the club and that is how any Manchester United manager should be judged which I think we all agree with. He did say though that Ole has done well in the context of this season and that by virtue of his achievements this year, win or lose the final, he deserves to keep the job for another season. I am Ole in but I don't disagree with any of that, I think his successes might go unacknowledged at times but I also feel he has to deliver the biggest prizes and probably within the next couple of seasons or it will be time to move on.Now we just need to hear from Craig Burley...
Same. He's earned the right to get his rebuild. I wasn't expecting him to turn things around but for the first time in a long time whenever we hit a slump I'm thinking the same thing I did when Sir Alex was in charge; "our next opponents are fecked".I was definitely Ole out earlier in the season, but he's turned it around massively in the last 4/5 months and it's been brilliant to watch.
I trust him to complete the rebuild job and have us as title contenders next season.
Top post.It's funny, but this sentiment actually seems to exist. There's this idea that you have to have your little brand of football and impose that upon your team for your victories to mean anything. You have to be Tiki-Taka, or you have be be Gegenpressing, or you have to be whatever the feck "Poch" is supposed to play. Sarri had his Chelsea and Juve sides playing some of the most dire football you could ever watch (with the closest analogue being LVG's United), yet he never seemed to have much media pressure because "he's doing Vertical Tiki-Taka, mate".
On the other side of the coin, Zidane's achievements in the Champions League barely seem to count, because he doesn't have that and is seen mainly as a lowly 'man-manager'. If the likes of Ferguson and Ancelotti were in their pomp now, their achievements would probably be denigrated as well.
Whether he ever gets anywhere near those heights or not, Ole is from the same school of management and has to deal with, until very recently, getting less credit than fecking Action Man steering Arsenal to the heady heights of 9th simply because journos have declared him a tactical genius thanks to his vague association to Guardiola.
It's funny, but this sentiment actually seems to exist. There's this idea that you have to have your little brand of football and impose that upon your team for your victories to mean anything. You have to be Tiki-Taka, or you have be be Gegenpressing, or you have to be whatever the feck "Poch" is supposed to play. Sarri had his Chelsea and Juve sides playing some of the most dire football you could ever watch (with the closest analogue being LVG's United), yet he never seemed to have much media pressure because "he's doing Vertical Tiki-Taka, mate".
On the other side of the coin, Zidane's achievements in the Champions League barely seem to count, because he doesn't have that and is seen mainly as a lowly 'man-manager'. If the likes of Ferguson and Ancelotti were in their pomp now, their achievements would probably be denigrated as well.
Whether he ever gets anywhere near those heights or not, Ole is from the same school of management and has to deal with, until very recently, getting less credit than fecking Action Man steering Arsenal to the heady heights of 9th simply because journos have declared him a tactical genius thanks to his vague association to Guardiola.
Fake News!The telegraph have written a article to issue an open apology to Old for undermining his ability as a manager.
Just seen this on Twitter and thought I ll share it here. Are the MSM coming to realise that Ole is not just managing on Vibes? Or are the knives gonna come out bigger and sharper when we hit the next slump?
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A idiot that can't see past his anti United agenda. His predictions are normally the kiss of deaths for teams and the last one he gave was for PSG to win this season Champions league.Now we just need to hear from Craig Burley...
Putting aside football rivalries and managerial chips on the shoulder, Pep, Klopp, Sarri, and Poch all played great football at one point or another. In fact Pep and Klopp popularized concepts like positional play and counterpressing to the point that most European teams use them now and it's considered normal. That's what caused the plaudits.It's funny, but this sentiment actually seems to exist. There's this idea that you have to have your little brand of football and impose that upon your team for your victories to mean anything. You have to be Tiki-Taka, or you have be be Gegenpressing, or you have to be whatever the feck "Poch" is supposed to play. Sarri had his Chelsea and Juve sides playing some of the most dire football you could ever watch (with the closest analogue being LVG's United), yet he never seemed to have much media pressure because "he's doing Vertical Tiki-Taka, mate".
On the other side of the coin, Zidane's achievements in the Champions League barely seem to count, because he doesn't have that and is seen mainly as a lowly 'man-manager'. If the likes of Ferguson and Ancelotti were in their pomp now, their achievements would probably be denigrated as well.
Whether he ever gets anywhere near those heights or not, Ole is from the same school of management and has to deal with, until very recently, getting less credit than fecking Action Man steering Arsenal to the heady heights of 9th simply because journos have declared him a tactical genius thanks to his vague association to Guardiola.
You posted what I meant to reply.He came close on Extra Time the other day and actually gave a reasonable justification for his stance. He said that Ole cannot be seen as a success without winning either the PL or the CL due to the size of the club and that is how any Manchester United manager should be judged which I think we all agree with. He did say though that Ole has done well in the context of this season and that by virtue of his achievements this year, win or lose the final, he deserves to keep the job for another season. I am Ole in but I don't disagree with any of that, I think his successes might go unacknowledged at times but I also feel he has to deliver the biggest prizes and probably within the next couple of seasons or it will be time to move on.
I agree with everything here.I still worry about our ceiling with Ole but I would be a fool to not acknowledge how much good work he has done.
One of the biggest confidence boosts for me in him was when he gave the number 1 to Henderson after seeing the difference he makes. That can be a tricky situation and easy to stick with the experienced legend in DDG. He has handled it well.