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Captain of Moanchester United
Eh? Anyone Ole in is a WUM. We're the worst we've been in probably 30+ years and theres people who think we're fecking progressing.
It is clear for some time now that most of Ole in are oppo fans or just people who hate United.Eh? Anyone Ole in is a WUM. We're the worst we've been in probably 30+ years and theres people who think we're fecking progressing.
He is demonstrably a poor coach. He hasn't improved us at all. We have got worse. Look at the League Table! I agree Glazers are only in it for the money and somehow we need to get them out.As a proud member of the “Ole in” brigade, I’m getting tired of seeing the same lazy criticisms of us/the manager gathering likes on the Caf and Twitter.
I wanted to address them all in one place, hopefully some fellow sensible supporters will be able to add their own arguments
1) “The love for Ole is all based on nostalgia and reverence for an ex-Red”
Not true. I’ve never seen a single argument from a pro-Ole supporter saying that he should remain in the job because he is an ex-player/club legend. This argument has been made up by the anti-Ole brigade, who have then proceeded to get angry at their own argument.
2) “Utd have made their worst start/worst away record/worst this/worse that”
Could. Not. Give. A. Monkeys. Anybody who expected any more from this season, with this squad and these players was always setting themselves up for a fall. Re-adjust your expectations based on reality.
3) “Ole is a failed Cardiff manager”
So what? People need to get over this idea that the success or failure of a club begins and ends with the manager.
4) “Jose Mourinho blah blah blah”
I liked Jose but with the benefit of hindsight, he had completely lost the plot in that 3rd season. Also, the man left over a year ago...let’s stop going on about it.
5) “We’re Man Utd, we should be doing X,Y....”
Means nothing. We’re currently an irrelevant club with mediocre players run by a clown and owned by shareholders looking to make a quick dollar. We’ve no divine right to win anything or sign any player because “we’re Man Utd”
6) “Ole is a poor Coach”
No evidence for this. People are obsessed with the idea of coaching but (most) of these players are 20+....you can’t make them play slicker, faster football just by “coaching”. Same way Pep can’t coach his philosophy to certain players, difference is City have been well-run for ten years so their squad needs minor tweaks every year not major surgery.
**** brigade.
Not far wrong.**** brigade.
I'd say 80% are noggies and 20% are sentimental fans. I cant blame them for that, but there has to come a time where you look past your personal bias and focus on whats best for the club.It is clear for some time now that most of Ole in are oppo fans or just people who hate United.
**** brigade.
If you give such players to any other manager, they won't be able do anything. How do we know that?Ok, I’m still Ole in.
He, as would any other manager, wanted more/better players. Woodward didn’t give him them.
Who else could he have picked tonight? Injuries and a paper thin squad - our injury record over the years has been shocking. That needs to be addressed. Again, is the weak squad really on Ole?
He is paid well by a club to say he’s happy with the squad. Jose didn’t and he ended up getting the boot. Of course he won’t throw Woodward under the bus - he’ll fight to keep his job and try to use the players he has.
Would any other manager get anything more from that group of players tonight? I honestly don’t think they could. Maybe not 0-3 down but we’d still be well beaten.
I know I’ll get some incoming for backing Ole but he isn’t the issue. Given better players I’m still sure he’d get us top 4.
I think it's widely accepted that one of the primary reasons Ole was appointed over a more experienced or high profile candidate was his unwillingness to criticise Woodward's performance publicly the way Jose did towards the end of his tenure. Any top manager would be screaming bloody murder about our recruitment right now. With that in mind, this particular line of attack kind of does the opposite of what you want it to do.Ok, I’m still Ole in.
He, as would any other manager, wanted more/better players. Woodward didn’t give him them.
Who else could he have picked tonight? Injuries and a paper thin squad - our injury record over the years has been shocking. That needs to be addressed. Again, is the weak squad really on Ole?
He is paid well by a club to say he’s happy with the squad. Jose didn’t and he ended up getting the boot. Of course he won’t throw Woodward under the bus - he’ll fight to keep his job and try to use the players he has.
Would any other manager get anything more from that group of players tonight? I honestly don’t think they could. Maybe not 0-3 down but we’d still be well beaten.
I know I’ll get some incoming for backing Ole but he isn’t the issue. Given better players I’m still sure he’d get us top 4.
Oh they can. Just look at the OP.The “Ole In” brigade will surely be no more now? People can’t be that deluded.
It almost reminds of when Moyes was here, except his results were better.Eh? Anyone Ole in is a WUM. We're the worst we've been in probably 30+ years and theres people who think we're fecking progressing.
Why the feck did he absolutely rip up the squad then and leave himself having to play Lingard and Andreas in midfield.Ok, I’m still Ole in.
He, as would any other manager, wanted more/better players. Woodward didn’t give him them.
Who else could he have picked tonight? Injuries and a paper thin squad - our injury record over the years has been shocking. That needs to be addressed.
I hear you, and I kind of agree but I’m sure he was promised more then he got.Why the feck did he absolutely rip up the squad then and leave himself having to play Lingard and Andreas in midfield.
How the feck is that not dogshit management @soapythecat?? My God man, think long term yes, but in sport you ALWAYS have to take care of the short term too. Ole didn't, he was on a popularism wave getting rid of disliked players and only bringing in players if they "are true United players".
Make no mistake, Ole has ripped this squad that finished 2nd to pieces and we're dogshit. But hey, give him a shitload of money and new players, he can be trusted. He got rid of them players I didn't like, he's great.
I hated Fellaini in a United shirt, but I'm not stupid enough to think he's not 100 times the player Andreas and Lingard are.
Again with this bullshitThe ole out kids are back in force.
ahhh... so everyone else's fault but him.I hear you, and I kind of agree but I’m sure he was promised more then he got.
Fellaini was sold before the summer - probably with reassurances that he’d be replaced.
Lukaku because he wanted out. I doubt much Ole could have done to keep him.
Sanchez - I think we were all glad he went. James has done more then him since arriving.
Having Pogba and Martial our for long periods highlighted the weak squad but that’s on the board.
I do feel he’s massively over estimated how good our youth are/what they can do in the league though.
The irony of this post.The ole out kids are back in force.
Who out of those who want him out has turned? Like ever during his stint as a manager?The ole out kids are back in force.
We actually won the second half 1-0, so technically it was a drawWell managed second half to get use back into the game. Shame we look like we're going out. We looked good second half!
What 2nd half did you watch? How many chances did we create in that half? All we did was pushing further up and allow further space to be exploited by City. Thankfully Sterling was utter shit so the scoreline didn't become embarrassing.Well managed second half to get use back into the game. Shame we look like we're going out. We looked good second half!
What do you expect when there's another loss, a round of applause ?The ole out kids are back in force.
Is this a WUM? It's a stretch to say we were good. We were average and City stopped playing.Well managed second half to get use back into the game. Shame we look like we're going out. We looked good second half!
So what's your answer, hotshot?Again with this bullshit
You didn’t ask a question genius, but to hint at the ridiculousness of your original comment; the people wanting him out never went anywhere so the idea that they’re “back” makes no sense.So what's your answer, hotshot?
Top redThe ole out kids are back in force.
Give Ole and Lingard an extension of course. They are local and have pashun. This is all it takes these days to represent United on the pitch and off it. And some fans like you are happy about it.So what's your answer, hotshot?
Now comes the question; shouldn't Man Utd manager start the game with right lineup and right formation?Well managed second half to get use back into the game. Shame we look like we're going out. We looked good second half!
What was available to Ole tonight was always going to struggle. The only confusing thing about Ole is why he constantly picks Lingard. Hopefully that's the last we see of him for while.What do you expect when there's another loss, a round of applause ?
Erm, yes it is @red_de_pologneAnybody bashing Ole - please tell me you really think we'd lose today with Pogba, McTominay, Maguire, Martial starting? It's not Ole's fault his options are fecking Jones and Lingard
Yeah no more Lingard till Saturday.What was available to Ole tonight was always going to struggle. The only confusing thing about Ole is why he constantly picks Lingard. Hopefully that's the last we see of him for while.