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The Athletic: Man Utd - what the rest of football thinks about a club in crisis
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When you contact the club do you have to speak with Murtogh, Fletcher or Arnold, or the club secretary?
I would call Arnold
I would call Arnold
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I think there’s a problem of believing every report that comes out there. The two Atletico links looks made up now but that buried in as confirmation bias regardless.
Edit odds Carrasco is a non starter as well? fecking Vardy?
Edit odds Carrasco is a non starter as well? fecking Vardy?
The people running Pool and City must laugh their tits off at our clown show.
Hey Arnold!
'Old fashioned buffet' 
Still serving Prawn sandwiches, vol-au-vents and pigs in blankets?
Still serving Prawn sandwiches, vol-au-vents and pigs in blankets?Bloody paywalls
Yup
This is Manchester United.
It’s easy when two defeats equals a crisis too.
Couldn't care less what the Athletic has to say. Pompous bunch of toads.
Manchester United in crisis gets the clicks in, so naturally the media perpetuates this as much as possible.
But it's not the Athletic it's what executives, managers, agents and sporting directors of other clubs have to say. A different set of pompous toads.
Different tune last summer and when we got Ten Hag.
But yes, its a results business. Manchester United sell papers. End of.
The Athletic are nearly as bad as the red tops sometimes.
Absolute click baity nonsense written to cash in on the poor start to the season. Had United won one of the games would it have been written? No, things would have been the same at the club though.
If I was a club executive wanting to speak to someone about buying or selling a player I would go straight to the sporting director directly, quite obviously. It's not that difficult to comprehend!
Absolute click baity nonsense written to cash in on the poor start to the season. Had United won one of the games would it have been written? No, things would have been the same at the club though.
If I was a club executive wanting to speak to someone about buying or selling a player I would go straight to the sporting director directly, quite obviously. It's not that difficult to comprehend!
People think that the club is a mess and it's not new, it's been the case since at least 2015-2016.
The media have it too easy with the fans though. Some will believe anything
Athletic seem not sharing the same information adnan has
Didnt read it and already sensing a huge drama in the article.
Did it mention Fletcher being promoted 2 times in 6 months?
Did it mention Fletcher being promoted 2 times in 6 months?
Man Utd = clicks = revenue even at Our lowest We are still the biggest news
Good read - basically a collection of anonymous quotes from executives and staff at other clubs. As you'd expect, they're not very complimentary. They also seem generally reasonable, you don't get a sense of ABU mentality being behind it. All in all, they tend to back up the sort of general view of reality you'd get from reading this forum.
Shambolic.
It mentions the lack of clarity in Fletchers and Murtoughs division of responsibilities.
That's something new I guess.
It's more the fact they think we care what others do?
Why do I want to hear what the brighton CEO thinks of the club. We all know it's poor.
It feels to me like just another way to kick us while we are down. "lets take a look at why and how United are just that shit, in a fancy reporter way"
no thanks.
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Everyone but Utd fans think it is hilarious
Everyone but Utd fans think it is hilarious
It's basically saying what a lot of us are saying, the Glazers have been generally poor owners that have neglected to instill a modern football structure in the club and the club is suffering as a result.
I'm not sure why it's receiving the opprobrium it is. I guess the fans are allowed to be critical of the club but not others, even if they are essentially saying the same thing.
Nothing new was said in that whole article. I mean, I didn't previously know that we served roast dinners in the directors box and other clubs do buffets, but I feel that's not really getting to the core of the issue.
Obviously their experience is that this isn't necessarily the case when it comes to United.
I really don't see how this is "click-baity nonsense." You get views from people in the business that you wouldn't otherwise read. Most of it seems reasonable to me.
Had United won one of the games would it have been written? No, things would have been the same at the club though.
.....so? If that's how it is at the club, then the article is valid. If Athletic had chose not to write it if united had won one of those games, then that's a problem of their editorial policy, not of Manchester United. Who cares.
Not sure why other clubs need to know the exact way Utd works but there you go
You think United is being run poorly, but you're offended and dismissive to read about what professional competitors think about that? That's just stupid.
Our structure, might/probably is out of date. However, everything in football is seen through the prism of results. We could turn it around with the same structure and people would think our back office has become fantastic. I am sure there are sides in this league with a more convoluted, archaic structure than ours but the Athletic will not ask other executives about it.
Everything about the club is over analyzed and viewed in hindsight. The same Athletic have written that Arnold has taken a hands off approach from transfers. Every man and his dog knows Fletcher doesn't call any shots.
Everything about the club is over analyzed and viewed in hindsight. The same Athletic have written that Arnold has taken a hands off approach from transfers. Every man and his dog knows Fletcher doesn't call any shots.
No, you're missing the point, these writers should write about things that aren't happening. Some kind of alternate universe reporting maybe.
That'd be a great argument, if results happened more or less by coincidence. But it doesn't. We won't turn it around with the same structure. Because it's dysfunctional, and that of our competitors mostly isn't. Which means that they tend to make better decisions. Which means they get better results. That's the whole point. "Structure" isn't some whimsy-whamsy theoretical construct - it's the right people making good decisions in a set-up that helps them make the most of their competence. If you have that you get results, if you don't have it you don't.
They aren't wrong, but I got live with less insight from League 1 managers
Athletic are fecking parasites. And these other clubs can feck off too. We’ve finished above the majority of them for years, even the recent ones.
Trust me folks
All this will change the day when we get back into top 4 and champions league
Attracting top players and staff wouldnt be a problem
All this will change the day when we get back into top 4 and champions league
Attracting top players and staff wouldnt be a problem
No they aren’t
- it’s no secret we are a shambles, it’s pretty fecking obvious given this transfer window alone.