Without penalties he's only about 20 goals behind Shearer.
Yeah was going that way from the middle of Yorke’s second season with us. Winning the treble just seemed to drain any work ethic he had.
Yeah it wasn’t surprising that Keane was scathing of his attitude in the aftermath of the treble. I think Keane referred to talk from Yorke about ‘being happy even if he never won another trophy’ or something like that, which was clearly not going to sit well with him. And of course he enjoyed his late night parties.
Probably the most underrated player in PL history in my opinion.
Isn’t a lot of it about him never being ‘the guy’ for England?
Or that the 9 above him were - Shearer, Aguero, Kane, Ronaldo, Rooney, Suarez, Drogba, Ruud and Henry. All surely, undebatable?
Those 9 you list above him are all undebateable except Drogba.
Well, I'd assume so? He played multiple seasons in a heavy shut up shop when leading system. And still comes out with a 0.51 npg per 90, which is better than Cole.. while his monster season actually did lead Chelsea to just about edge the title, and again, statistically better on a per 90 basis all round.
Different types of striker and probably Drogba should be compared more to a RVN for the 1 up front system and hold up type.
Either way, it's hardly hard to see why he didn't make some top 10 lists if you are at worst agreeing that all but 2 slots are undebatable. I mean, if it wasn't for the fact he was 5 years older, Les Ferdinand wouldn't be far off Andy Coles numbers. Both were done at a title challenger/top 5 level by 29ish. But that's a bit extreme, but also shows the fine lines in this kind of 'debate'.
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He must have had an incredible amount of chances then because he scored a boatload.
What a finish. Cole was fantastic.
He could be very frustrating to watch in his first few years.
How is Ruud ahead of Andy Cole?
Yes. Because he wasn't given the same opportunity that Shearer was for example.
Bar Owen, Cole was shoulders above all of those players at the time. However, I remember my dad at the time saying that Andy Cole was hated by the England set up for some reason.
If it's a premier league list then Suarez, Drogba and RVN are very debatable frankly. There's a couple others I would question as well but I don't want to enrage people
It wasn't hard to break in. Venables decided Shearer was his guy and stuck with him even though he went 10 games without scoring in the run up to the Euros. Then he did well at the Euros which isn't a surprise because he knew he had that level of support. Any one of those top strikers (Fowler, Cole Ferdinand etc.) could have done well with that kind of backing. For guys like Cole and Collymore, they got two chances and if they didn't score they were out of the team.
Exactly. Could argue he was better than a few on that list.
That doesn't add up. Fowler and Owen aside, the rest played nowhere near as much for England as Cole.
A very weird thing where Cole once came on as sub for England replacing Sheringham and Sheringham didn't acknowledge him and Cole has not liked him ever since. They didn't speak at all when they were together at United, which is bonkers to consider.
I'm just saying he didn't play much for England cos of the amount of competition and that stands against him in making lists of great strikers if you're not making your national team.
You remember that because Glenn Hoddle told you to remember that. It's objectively nonsense.
The feck has Glenn Hoddle got to do with it? I remember it cos he frustrated the hell out of me.
