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The Facts You Think to be Undisputedly True in Football Which Has Not Been Talked about Enough?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
The same Barcelona team that went out in the group stages of the CL. Brazil have won the Copa 9 times, hardly a massive achievement.
Dwight Yorke had 29 goals and 19 assists, and United won the treble. He came 11th.
Barcelona had 3 players in the top ten of the Ballon dor. They won one trophy that season. Its clearly biased.
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Human growth hormone as a lad, and the entire team doping are, uh, not quite the same thing.
Mate, without the steroids he would've turned out like angel gomes
Barcelona had 2 players - Rivaldo and Figo - voted for in the Ballon D’Or in 1999. United had 7 - Beckham, Keane, Yorke, Schmeichel, Giggs, Stam and Cole.
If anything that shows how unbalanced Barcelona were and how they reliant they were on those two players to compete. Meanwhile, United had a better spread of talent from back to front.
That group of death between United, Barcelona and Bayern remains perhaps the toughest CL group of all time boasting arguably the 3 best teams in Europe. There was very little between the three teams by the end of the six games. It all boiled down to the 3-3 draw in the Nou Camp where Rivaldo was in ridiculous form, but couldn’t quite drag his team over the line.
I agree there's a bias towards players who play a certain way. It's just that England, or the English league, doesn't really produce such players.
Indeed, the only player that the English league has produced or had that really fits that bill was George Best. But he was Irish, or in footballing terms - Northern Irish.
Neither of those are facts.
Players that play that way?! Haha, you mean actual good footballers? I'm sorry that they're prioritised over people that run around a lot and 'put a shift in'
United had two in the top ten, Beckham and Keane. Barcelona had 3, Rivaldo, Figo and Raul.
I think you might've replied to the wrong person.Players that play that way?! Haha, you mean actual good footballers? I'm sorry that they're prioritised over people that run around a lot and 'put a shift in'
They wished
I mean La liga. My mistake.
PL refs are more lenient than European refs
I’ll get to the point
that nani red card v Madrid
I’m still not over it
I’ll get to the point
that nani red card v Madrid
I’m still not over it
This is absolutely right. You could make a list of the top 10 players of all time and at least 8 of them would have played for Real Madrid or Barcelona at some point in their careers. That's just not the case for Liverpool or Man United or any other English club.
I don't think so with respect. You're both saying that there's a bias towards players who 'play that way'. There's no 'playing that way', those are just exceptional footballers. Rivaldo is an exceptional footballer. And the other gent said 'continental players', when Rivaldo is from Brazil! That's not a 'continental' player.....I think you might've replied to the wrong person.
You make some fair points. Yorke probably deserved better than 11th, but it's also fair to say the Premier was considered 4th best league back then in Europe (behind Italian, Spanish and French in that order) and at the end of the day he scored 18 in 32 games in the league. It's like the overall contribution from each player was more shared at United (i.e. Andy Cole scored 17 in 32, Beckham finished 2nd behind Rivaldo).
I also think Rivaldo or Sheva were much better players.
Someone is yet to explain Michael Owen in 2001 though.
... And if my aunt had bollocks she'd be my uncle.
PL football would be vastly inferior to other European leagues if not for all the money and therefore foreign players involved.
Goalkeepers are massively, massively overprotected
Balon Dor was mostly irrelevant before the two big Spanish clubs turned it into an annual dick measuring contest between Messi and Ronaldo. I'd love a British player to win it and not even bother showing up. Treat it like Michael Owen.
We certainly saw evidence of how much better European refs are on Thursday. With possibly the worst decision ever seen.
Clubs don't have "DNA". This is just marketing BS.
Ftfy
Every domestic league would be vastly inferior to other European leagues if not for all the money and therefore foreign players involved.
I agree - that’s why I said it’s not a bias. It’s just that England, or the English league, hasn’t really produced many of those exceptional players. Or at least it hasn’t done so in significant numbers.
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Fair enough, I misread what you wrote.
Apparently not. The only time I have seen this enforced was in an Olympic Women's Semi-final 2012 and it was particularly painful. Canada and the US were tied at 3-3 in extra time. The Canadian keeper was judged to have exceeded the 6 seconds and the US was awarded an indirect free kick inside the penalty area. The free kick hit the wall - on the Canadian player's elbow and the referee awarded a penalty which was, of course duly converted.
Nah, he is just an Barca fan believing that La Masia's Cryuff-influenced total football + Tika Taka possession + crisp short passes + magical touches mingled with samba dribbling "way of football" is the proper one. Those English/German's "running dog" way of football are inferior.I think you might've replied to the wrong person.
Those footballer journalists may hold the same thoughts, hence Barca players are favored in Ballon d"or
Liverpool doping with the ‘asthmatic’ squad.
He would have turned out like Bilbo Baggins mate.
It used to be that the thrower had to have both feet behind the touch,now all that is required to have the feet either touching or behind the line.
As for the six second tile IFAB directives were it shouldn’t be enforced “as long as the referee deems that the goalkeeper is making a sincere effort to release the ball, there is no need to strictly enforce the 6 second rule”
If Premier League was a football club it would have same reputation as PSG or City. Buying success. Without the superior buying power I don't think it would be anywhere near as good league as La Liga or Serie A.
Bit rich coming from a Madrid fan. Your best players in history are dominated with expensive signings.
Added time/injury time is a scam. The ball is only in play for roughly 55 minutes in the average premier league game, when's the last time you saw 15 plus minutes added on? This has always bugged me since I learned about it and I don't see many people talking about it.
This is what the FA website states about added time:
3. Allowance for time lost
Allowance is made by the referee in each half for all playing time lost in that half through:
This is what the FA website states about added time:
3. Allowance for time lost
Allowance is made by the referee in each half for all playing time lost in that half through:
- substitutions
- assessment and/or removal of injured players
- wasting time
- disciplinary sanctions
- medical stoppages permitted by competition rules e.g. ‘drinks’ breaks (which should not exceed one minute) and ‘cooling’ breaks (ninety seconds to three minutes)
- delays relating to VAR 'checks' and 'reviews'
- any other cause, including any significant delay to a restart (e.g. goal celebrations)
The scoreline affects how much time is added on far too much. Refs are essentially dictating how they want the game to end.
It always struck me as odd that when it comes to scrutinizing referee decisions and implementing VAR, the emphasis is on trying to reduce/eliminate error. But with timekeeping there’s absolutely none of that and no one seems to care that each and every football match is of a different duration.
I agree. In fact, most of the laws allow a lot of room for interpretation and when you acknowledge that referees are human you end up with biased decisions that aren't incorrect when compared to the letter of the law.
How most corners are wasted and statistically you’re not likely to score from one. Commentary always talks them up every time one is won in a close game.
You can't say that when Real Madrid benefited a lot from Bosman ruling to buy the best foreigners to succeed in Europe.
Real was struggling to compete in the European Cup for almost 30 years with full spanish squad.
Raul, Hierro,Ramos,Casillas, and Carvajal are the only spanish players that contributed a lot to Madrid european success from 1998 and onwards, the rest all foreigners : Figo, Zidane, Redondo, Cristiano, Casemiro, Makelele, Modric, Kroos, Navas, Benzema, Roberto Carlos, Vinicius, Di María, Bale, Courtuois, etc
Real Madrid is the biggest club in Europe, but it's hardly an organic club, they used a lot of money to buy the european success they were missing between the 70s and 1998.
Barca european success was more organic, as the likes of Messi,Xavi,Guardiola,Puyol, Iniesta,Pique, and Busquests came from La Masia.
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La Liga match time also isn't that favorable for Asians too, which is arguably a huge market. Many times El Classico was put in ungodly hours while Liverpool Man United match was put in perfect time for Asian football fans to watch.
There's a reason why EPL international broadcasting fee was the largest in the world.
But that's the advantage of the english language though, it will always be favoured as second language to learn over the rest.
How many asians are choosing spanish,italian, or german as second language over english?
Barely any.
When companies want to market a product in other countries, if they don't use the local language guess what language they use instead?
Right, English....even if the company isn't british or american.
That any player can be completely dominant in one league but absolutely rubbish in another.
Referees in European cups make more crucial mistakes than Premier League referees.