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Chesterlestreet

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The argument here is SAF didn't have the money to buy whoever he wanted.
Yes. That is the argument. And that argument is flawed – in a way. No doubt about that, as he would say himself.

But you can't look at this without taking Fergie himself into consideration. He didn't like the old plc. He liked Uncle Malc better – for several reasons. But – and this is the point – there's no evidence whatsoever to support the idea that Fergie liked Uncle Malc because he, Uncle Malc, gave him license to spend whatever he, Fergie, wanted on players he deemed necessary.

It's complicated. Because Fergie himself was who he was. He grew more reluctant over the years when it came to spending big. He resented the influence of agents. He was in tune with many critics of the modern game – too much money involved, exorbitant amounts spent on supposed “stars”, all of that.

I think Fergie to some degree (a great degree, even) relished the takeover – because it meant that the old board (several members of which he clearly didn't love) was no longer a factor he needed to deal with. The Americans were happy to leave him alone.

But that doesn't mean the new owners actually had the cash – or the inclination to spend – to finance a certain kind of transfer. I don't think they did. Fergie either didn't consider that kind of transfer necessary – or he was happy to wait awhile, until the financial situation was more stable. Doesn't really matter which – but the point is that this idea that the takeover didn't affect our ability to spend in any way (it was all Fergie, the “no value” man) is a bit on the naïve side, if you ask me.

I've asked this question before: What if Ronaldo and Rooney (big outlays, Rooney in particular * – that was essentially a bidding war we won) hadn't paid off? What if the cheap (relatively speaking) gambles on Vidic and Evra hadn't paid off? Carrick? A substantial amount and a typical Fergie player – but hardly what some make it out to be. Carrick wasn't a Keane replacement in terms of impact and ability. With all due respect to Carrick he was never near that level. Nor was he a “big signing” of the sort we're talking about here.

People keep piling up signings that really weren't all that “big” in these debates. We all know what a truly huge signing is. We've made those recently, but we didn't in the Glazer/Fergie era. Was that simply because Fergie didn't want to? Or was it because he knew he couldn't? **

* Would Malc have sanctioned that piece of business, out of interest? Record amount for a player his age. Or would Fergie have settled for something else/less? Hard to say, ain't it?

** Again, the theory is that our financial situation hampered our movement(s) in the market up till a certain point.
 
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The arguments never really extend beyond: "there was debt, and we didn't spend big in year X"

But the argument immediately falls down when you look at years pre-takeover when spending was low. There's no other evidence. No leaks, no quotes from insiders betraying Ferguson's version of events. Given his links to the media and his ability to get his side of any story out there isn't that a little odd that the ONLY source of the suggestion he was denied funds by the Glazers come from those who at the time had an active campaign to turn the fans against the Glazers?

There hasn't been a peep from anyone that corroborates an ounce of that rumour that he was denied funds from 2009-2011 or whenever it was. We're 6/7 years beyond that now. Not a single peep. It's a myth that people want to be true because it's the last remaining remnant left of what some poured years of passionately believing because there exists absolutely no evidence for it. It's a faith-based piece of nonsense. And the faith is wanting what Drasdo/MUST/Green to be true so much because people can't cope with the fact they look like fools for gulping down the kool-aid.

"They wouldn't lie to us. What would their motivation be? What's that? Buy some official Green and Gold merchandise and contribute to the Phoenix Fund? Take my money, I know you have no ulterior motive, good Sir!"

The haze has lifted for most fans, one day it'll lift for all. And it's weird how some fans seem to think that not believing lies makes people sycophants and then belittle others who're tired of this "If you don't believe Glazer eats children, you're gay' playground crap.
 

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The arguments never really extend beyond: "there was debt, and we didn't spend big in year X"

But the argument immediately falls down when you look at years pre-takeover when spending was low. There's no other evidence. No leaks, no quotes from insiders betraying Ferguson's version of events. Given his links to the media and his ability to get his side of any story out there isn't that a little odd that the ONLY source of the suggestion he was denied funds by the Glazers come from those who at the time had an active campaign to turn the fans against the Glazers?

There hasn't been a peep from anyone that corroborates an ounce of that rumour that he was denied funds from 2009-2011 or whenever it was. We're 6/7 years beyond that now. Not a single peep. It's a myth that people want to be true because it's the last remaining remnant left of what some poured years of passionately believing because there exists absolutely no evidence for it. It's a faith-based piece of nonsense. And the faith is wanting what Drasdo/MUST/Green to be true so much because people can't cope with the fact they look like fools for gulping down the kool-aid.

"They wouldn't lie to us. What would their motivation be? What's that? Buy some official Green and Gold merchandise and contribute to the Phoenix Fund? Take my money, I know you have no ulterior motive, good Sir!"

The haze has lifted for most fans, one day it'll lift for all. And it's weird how some fans seem to think that not believing lies makes people sycophants and then belittle others who're tired of this "If you don't believe Glazer eats children, you're gay' playground crap.
We ended each of the financial years 2008-09, 2009-10 and 2010-11 with over £150m in the bank. To support a theory that he was denied funds you would need a convincing explanation for why the Glazers really wanted to have £150m in the bank for three years - rather than spending some of it on players.
 

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We ended each of the financial years 2008-09, 2009-10 and 2010-11 with over £150m in the bank. To support a theory that he was denied funds you would need a convincing explanation for why the Glazers really wanted to have £150m in the bank for three years - rather than spending some of it on players.
All that can be deduced from this post is that your entire argument is nothing more than a conspiracy theory.

*Did you know* there are a great many people who genuinely believe that Google, the largest and most popular search engine on the internet, is the real-life equivalent of Skynet from the movie series Terminator, and it's primary goal is the destruction of humanity. God's honest truth, there are human beings living among us who believe this as a point of fact.
 

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It's also worth remembering that in those three years (2009, 2010 and 2011) we spent in excess of £125m on player registrations (just shy of £42m a year). In the four years before the takeover we spent £107m on player registrations (around £27m a year). So when was he being starved for funds?