MalibuKen
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This is mental. Smashing up Millbank Tower!
Sorry if there is already a thread
Sorry if there is already a thread
Some people attend these protests just to create chaos and start fights with other people/police. Rarely is there a 'peaceful' protest without some stupid incident.On a side note, good see students are protesting and are standing up to the Tories and that prick Nick Clegg.
Everybody attending this one had a common goal... stopping the new tuition fees. It wasn't one of these vague multi-cause mayday ones.
Are you suggesting the protest would have been more effective simply by being made smaller?
Students = anarchists?It's probably wrong that I'm watching the coverage hoping that the riot police go ape shit and start beating up random anarchists.
Students = anarchists?
I graduated this year, so I'm with ya!It's probably wrong that I'm watching the coverage hoping that the riot police go ape shit and start beating up random anarchists.
I graduated this year, so I'm with ya!
Get them batons out!
In all seriousness, you'd think that an educated chunk of the population would be clued up enough to realise that as soon as their protest goes down this route, it loses all credibility...
Without making any value judgment on the protest march or the violence, do you remember the poll tax?In all seriousness, you'd think that an educated chunk of the population would be clued up enough to realise that as soon as their protest goes down this route, it loses all credibility...
I'm 22 mate.Without making any value judgment on the protest march or the violence, do you remember the poll tax?
Nar, loads of good students there protesting peacefully. Some anarchists and anti-capitalist professional moaners have turned up giving students a bad name.
Indeed. That was the last time everyone just stood up and said 'feck off' to the Tories. Now is the time to do it again.Without making any value judgment on the protest march or the violence, do you remember the poll tax?
Well it was basically a case ofI'm 22 mate.
Enlighten me...
Like the bastards ever had a good name!What?
And how many protests have there been against governments since?Without making any value judgment on the protest march or the violence, do you remember the poll tax?
Against specific policies?And how many protests have there been against governments since?
2 things.Well it was basically a case of
Very unpopular Tory Policy
->
Massive protest
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Turns into riot
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Policy scrapped
I'm not saying it was scrapped as a direct consequence of the rioting, but it certainly didn't seem to do the cause any damage.
The poit being, that while I'm not condoning the violence, it doesn't relaly detract credabillty from the cause (as most people are smart enough to seperate the cause form the minoryt of thugs). However, like it or not, it does push the issue higher in people's consciousness... basically a case of "no such thing as bad publicity".
This is why I think the "small protests are better" argument is flawed. The more noise you make, the more people pay attention. Sadly some people chose to cross the line in making that noise.
True, this is never going to take on the same scale as the Poll Tax, but by the same token it will be easier for the government to back down on to some degree.The poll tax was a far bigger issue, effecting a bigger proportion of the population at a time when the recession was biting even more than it is now. Generally, we're more affluent now.
I just don't think that's true.I never said that it won't get coverage. It clearly will - but their cause now lacks any real semblance of credibility. It gives the coalition something to hide behind and deflect attention from the real issue.
On the positive side, from the police perspective, this clearly shows that they winning the war on drugs.Looks like the Met high ups were caught off-guard earlier and have been playing catchup ever since. They underestimated the aggression of some of those taking part, rank and file officers left out in the open with insufficient support.
It's one point of university, it's not the whole point. Education is valuable in and of itself, as is research, which is a huge part of university. The sense of activism and community on campus is another large part of being at university.These students are idiots, the whole point of university is to increase your job prospects, these students have broken into a secure and critical building so no doubt they'll all be getting criminal records, ergo their job prospects will fall badly.
Especially when they spillover into violence, if you organise an effective protest that changes policy whilst remaining peaceful then write about it but instances like today then absolutely not. It should destroy job prospects, breaking and entering, causing criminal damage, breaching the peace in Central London on national television and undoubtedly now attracting the attention of the Security Service.It amazes me how many students write about their role in protests on their CVs. Is there anything less attractive to a potential employer than to discover that the applicant has history in organising protests?
I think it's the non-violent aspects of organisation they'd boast about. Why not? It suggests organisational and leadership traits which could look attractive on any CV.It amazes me how many students write about their role in protests on their CVs. Is there anything less attractive to a potential employer than to discover that the applicant has history in organising protests?
That is why the government encourages people to go to university and why the nation supports money being spent on it. Public support for students will fall because of this.It's one point of university, it's not the whole point. Education is valuable in and of itself, as is research, which is a huge part of university. The sense of activism and community on campus is another large part of being at university.
Universities should not be learning factories that you attend to be turned into a part of a corporate machine. This sounds like I'm some crazed hippy, but I'm really not. Peace out man.
I started the university funding thread which states my opposition to the changes in funding, all people could watch such scenes and condone them in their entirety and come to a conclusion that their cause is less well off consequently.I bet you had a great time at university Brian, you really seem to embody the student spirit.
Jesus, I'm glad you're not in charge then!Not related to this today but I would make accepting student loans a social contract, that if you commit any pre-meditated crime you lose your right to funding and have to pay all outstanding debts immediately.
Mi5 aren't really going to bother themselves with chasing after some students just because they were close by.I wonder how many of these students without their faces covered realise that they broke into a building next door to the headquarters of MI5?
But breaking into and storming the offices of the governing party of the United Kingdom with party staff still inside the building using criminal means to try and change government policy - that will get their interest.Mi5 aren't really going to bother themselves with chasing after some students just because they were close by.
That is exactly what I am saying, if you break societies laws you don't get societies money to go to university. Besides most of these students in Millbank this evening will be thrown out of their universities for bringing them into disrepute.Jesus, I'm glad you're not in charge then!
One crime of any kind and you lose your right to education? Are you into cutting off shop-lifters hands and stuff too?