Gaming The Last of Us Part II (PS4)
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Very few people are labelling anyone who didn’t enjoy the game as homophobic or transphobic. They are correctly labelling people who have criticised the game for having LGBTQ diversity and pushing a SJW as homophobic and transphobic.
Parsing over twitter and reddit there are more cases of people who enjoy the game being labelled as SJWs.
(It seems like eckers99 in the post above has shown some evidence of just this)
Presumably you don't have a problem "beating" those that do speak of agendas though, right?
@Eckers99 Come back when you learn that one word can mean different things, cheers. Unless you were practicing quote function of the forum, if that's the case, my bad, carry on. 
There's only one problematic person in this thread and he rightly gets called out on his bullshit.
Nobody else on here has been questioned or accused or anything, it's aimed at the actual people all ober twitter and reddit. On here most have explained why they don't like the game for whatever reason, and that's perfectly acceptable.
For example, at the moment gun to head I'd give it a 6-7. I know nobody is going to assume I'm a bigot because of that, people need to relax expecting it
Anyone that has an issue with gay, female or trans characters needs to get a grip with reality and not be so short sighted.
The issue I was mentioning is that if you didn't particular like this game you are seen to have other motives which I have seen being used in this thread.
Words can indeed mean different things. An agenda could be anything from a plan to a list of subjects to be discussed in a meeting to - in modern parlance - an aggressively held POV.@Eckers99 Come back when you learn that one word can mean different things, cheers. Unless you were practicing quote function of the forum, if that's the case, my bad, carry on.
So, for the sake of clarity, what did you mean?
Their appraisal left a lot of things out that could have helped (for me personally) alleviate expectations. Just little things like the repetition and the idea that this game will make you do things you won't be comfortable with.
Yeah, but who are they accusing? Other people in this thread (apart from the obvious)? You? Or the actual idiots posting that shite all over the web?
I mean, if you think YOU are specifically being targetted that's on you. As for the others, well it's right to call out the bigots. But unless you can point out otherwise, no one on here is calling ALL people who dislike the game those things. You are pressumably making the classic mistake of being offended elsewhere and bringing it here.
Don't forget when combined with the "pushing" and what that implies too.
But don't expect an actual answer. He has nothing that won't shine a huge light on him and pose more questions.
Oh I absolutely agree that many big review sites often fail in giving sufficient information on what actually goes on in video games or how they play, often lost in their own writing. I really don't need a review to be an attempted literary masterpiece, I mainly want it to be informative. But I don't see that as necessarily relevant to their final verdict, be it a recommendation or numbered score, which you seemed to take issue with.
One review that really nailed it for me was Eurogamer's. Throughout the text the reviewer outlined several misgivings - including those you mentioned - which provided readers with enough information to make up their own mind but proceeded to give it their highest possible verdict anyway. And that works for me, because a game isn't just a sum and subtraction of its positives and negatives according to a mathematical formula. You can be left feeling a game was a masterpiece to experience while still wishing some things were done differently.
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Absolutely.
I never really got that complaint with Red Dead 2, the character feels heavy but to me, that's just more realistic. The gunplay is some of the best around in my opinion.
Exactly. Not quite sure how many interpretations of 'pushing an agenda' exist. Certainly not in this context.
Red Dead has far better gameplay than Uncharted IMHO, the gunplay for example is really satisfying. I have tried multiple times to get through Uncharted but it always falls to two things; I don't really enjoy the excess platforming or the Gunplay (admittedly I haven't played Uncharted 4 so perhaps that would change things for me). I also find the open word of games like Red Dead a far more interesting experience than simple linear levels. Those are some of the same reasons why I haven't played LOU either. I like the sound of many of the elements, but I just can't seem to motivate myself to download and play the first one, which I've taken as a sign it might not be for me.
Thanks, sorry if I misunderstand are you saying that you like LOU but not really a massive fan of Uncharted? I'm just slightly worried about everyone always criticizing the gameplay (mainly on the original) and the linear level design compared to the open-world games which I usually gravitate too. Conversely, I gave God of War a try last year and that didn't let me down at all, great gameplay, great story, just an overall fantastic game experience.
The menu navigation in RDR2 were definitely bad but I don't think the movement or gunplay controls were bad at all. It's not a flawless game that's for sure, not saying otherwise, the very slow start of the story, menu navigation and not being able to call a horse if it's far away, and the amount of horses to steal on the road weren't that many which resulted in some annoying moments (one time I had to run on my leg for 30 minutes to reach the camp and get another horse because mine died and didn't find any other one to steal).
But I think these flaws are overall a drop in the sea of positives the game has that it doesn't affect it being a 10/10 experience for me.
But I think these flaws are overall a drop in the sea of positives the game has that it doesn't affect it being a 10/10 experience for me.
The ones i am talking about are the ones who gave it 0/10 on Metacritic when the game had been out for two hours, thats not legit complaints thats just salty right wingers and/or platform warriors.
Well, I don't see it as "bigging" the game up, per se. They all just came to the conclusion that it's a masterpiece. It's pretty much universally praised. Obviously, that doesn't mean everyone has to like it (you didn't) and the things that you said were bad were the things that they highlighted as being the standout. That's the joy of something being purely subjective. That's why I've always found it strange that people almost treat it as fact when implying the person who gave it a 10/10 (whether movie or game) is wrong
As for the bold part, I agree that just because you didn't like the game it doesn't make you a homophobic, sexist, gobshite. That's obviously not true for everyone. You can have genuine criticism that's perfectly valid. However, there's is a significant portion of people who hate the game purely for these reasons. How many of those user reviews on Metacritic are actually honest and genuine in their criticism, without being purely motivated by their dislike for Naughty Dogs' apparent "wokeness". Or the death threats they've received. Or the comments under every video or tweet someone at the studio sends out.
It is a shame because you can absolutely have genuine criticisms of the game without being any of those things - obviously. But the unfortunate reality is, this game and this studio attracts a certain crowd. That's just a fact.
See this is the thing, I would never make a review that says "Don't buy this game" nor would I let a review push me one way or the other. I take reviews as one persons opinion. I know that there are games I give 9/10 others will give 3/10 and vice versa. Neither person is wrong, a bad review is just one persons opinion.
Myself and some friends are actually working on an indie game made in an engine most people consider a toy. I should add it'll be free and is not going to be anyone's livelyhood (which is a big point and also thank Gold or we'd be homeless) but for me I think it depends on the delivery of the review. If I got a review something like "I gave this game a 3. I couldn't finish it because the story took to long to get me invested I couldn't push on. The gameplay is clunky and controls are stiff. But visuals are impressive etc.." Feedback like this makes me think ("Where did I go wrong with this guy in particular", "is this a common thread across multiple players, if yes, I need to make the start of my game more interesting to retain players, if its one of 100 players, its likely not a concern" That is a legit review after 2 hours that I need to analyze and learn from. I have no issue with other people reading something like this either, whereas "You killed x, you're pushing political agenda's your whole company should get aids" is a non-legit review and I think "Nothing to see there its just trolls being trolls." moving on.
Not trying to compare myself to Naughty Dog or even legit developers who do this stuff on real engines as a job but might give my perspective a bit better.
Good luck for your indie game by the way. Tell us when it's finished.
Back on topic... I'm now 8 hours in.
The only real bad point on my next 4 hours is... Why in the world didn't Dina tell Ellie she thought she was pregnant? another character making a stupid decision and I like Dina. These are the kind of things that didn't happen in the first game.
The good - I really enjoyed the semi-open worldness before my horse got blown up and shot in the head. That scene though was well done. One gameplay thing I really enjoyed was being able to set clickers and infected on the WLF by throwing a bottle or smoke bomb (just before the shamblers) and before the tv station.
I ended at the museum tour with Joel and its clear ND are trying to show maybe he did mellow too much/become complacent when he had a new daughter. I still disagree with the logic and how contrived it felt but that was a really great scene.
The same - It still feels very long between plot points and moving the story forward but my exploring probably dragged that out.
I still don't like the story or where its going but it is much more engaging when playing it than watching.
The good - I really enjoyed the semi-open worldness before my horse got blown up and shot in the head. That scene though was well done. One gameplay thing I really enjoyed was being able to set clickers and infected on the WLF by throwing a bottle or smoke bomb (just before the shamblers) and before the tv station.
I ended at the museum tour with Joel and its clear ND are trying to show maybe he did mellow too much/become complacent when he had a new daughter. I still disagree with the logic and how contrived it felt but that was a really great scene.
The same - It still feels very long between plot points and moving the story forward but my exploring probably dragged that out.
I still don't like the story or where its going but it is much more engaging when playing it than watching.
I seem to think along the same lines as @padr81 more or less. Especially the last sentence in the post above.
Something that may explain why the story doesn't feel as good as the first (for some, not all) is because it seems to be a repurposing of a plot that was deemed too unrealistic for the first game.
Something that may explain why the story doesn't feel as good as the first (for some, not all) is because it seems to be a repurposing of a plot that was deemed too unrealistic for the first game.
In the first game, Tess was going to be the antagonist...
A revenge mission across the country was deemed too unrealistic then for Tess and henchmen but it's fine now for Ellie with her pregnant girlfriend. It feels lazy, like "Ah, why don't we just change some of that old story we had?"
Yeah, I really liked that scene with Ellie and Joel. I thought they done a really nice job there. And this is why I don't see it as a fault when he was more open than he would've been previously when he met up with Abby. He really has changed in that sense. As for the Dina thing, didn't she kind of make out that she wasn't completely sure, maybe a bit of self-denial. Also, I just read it as her really wanting to go with Ellie and confronting the fact that she was possibly pregnant and telling Ellie could've sabotaged that. Again, it reads as her just being in denial somewhat. I dunno. I'll hold off complete judgment and see where it goes. I do really like Dina and Ellie together though.
I do agree that it seems to take a while to get to the next cut scene though. I really want to progress the story, but I'm spending so much time scavaging that it's taking a while to get to the next story beat. Also, I seem to be searching the same buildings due to things kinda looking samey in certain areas. This could be on me though. I am very thorough to a fault at times.
Yeah that's what my thoughts were aswel in my earlier post. Some missions are too long and wear you down a bit as you progress. Especially when you are repeating it again with Abby
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Yeh the one biggest and consistent criticism even amongst those that like the game is that it’s too long. When the second half started, I was less annoyed about the idea of it, more just I had so much to go till the ending.
@AaronRedDevil seriously? use spoiler tags for feck sake. it's literally explained to you right above the reply button.
What spoiler? Just saying it's long.
Where's that Picard facepalm gif when you need it!
Are you fecking thick?
The part about Abby. I didn't know that.I read all the leaks previously out of curiosity so spoilers for me don't hurt much anymore.
Calm your tits. Btw It's not exactly accurate with what I said.Are you fecking thick?
Those who have completed and have 2 hours to waste can see this.
Just started the second half - I don't really know if it's "half", we'll see, but at least it feels like it - and yeah this is a huge risk Naughty Dog are taking here. I can certainly see why it's not for everyone. I'll continue to do as I've always done with Naughty Dog and give them the benefit of doubt and see where this takes me. Knowing them, I'm going to assume the pay-off will be worth it in the end. It's a bit of a momentum stopper but I do look forward to exploring the other side. But yeah, people who didn't like Abby in the first place probably lose their shit at this point.
Just started the second half - I don't really know if it's "half", we'll see, but at least it feels like it - and yeah this is a huge risk Naughty Dog are taking here. I can certainly see why it's not for everyone. I'll continue to do as I've always done with Naughty Dog and give them the benefit of doubt and see where this takes me. Knowing them, I'm going to assume the pay-off will be worth it in the end. It's a bit of a momentum stopper but I do look forward to exploring the other side. But yeah, people who didn't like Abby in the first place probably lose their shit at this point.
I think when I get there I'll throw her off the first cliff I come across and imagine the Joel thing was all a dream.
I love how people had massive hissy fits over the weapons in Zelda, but not a single mention of a fecking crowbar breaking in 4 hits in this
Oh and though the sound design is great, the sound engine really is trash at enemy footsteps even with headphones on.
Oh and though the sound design is great, the sound engine really is trash at enemy footsteps even with headphones on.
Well this thread has inspired me to finally download and play LOU 1 Remastered so I suppose ill know from that whether this game is for me.
So I've reached the part where
& The more I play this the more the reaction from some of the gaming community, youtubers and the like on the more right side the political spectrum sections seems so utterly pathetic. Bigoted misconceptions being pushed as fact, embarrassing knee jerk reactions and alot of unjustified crying.
If we really want to talk about pushing agendas then the worst culprits were these salty leaked spoiler fumers and day one review bombers. They're just as hysterical and thin skinned as they will tell you the "SJW's" they love to whine about are.
Abby has set off on her own to find Owen
If we really want to talk about pushing agendas then the worst culprits were these salty leaked spoiler fumers and day one review bombers. They're just as hysterical and thin skinned as they will tell you the "SJW's" they love to whine about are.
You'd think Game of Thrones would've hardened people up a bit on important and well liked characters dying brutal deaths and revenge mission plans not exactly going peachy & spiraling out of control in all sorts of horrific ways but I guess not
This is the only thing stopping me to enjoy Zelda BotW, I am not exactly having a fit over that but I end up just hoarding best weapons forever and using shitty ones because of fear of losing them. If BotW was natively on PC, there would be a weapon durability mod long time ago that would make me enjoy it more. I just need them lasting a bit more, not forever.I love how people had massive hissy fits over the weapons in Zelda, but not a single mention of a fecking crowbar breaking in 4 hits in this
Anyway, sorry for the offtopic again.
I'm a terrible hoarder in games.
Two clickers, a normal infected and a shambler in a room? "Hmm, should I use this molotov? I might need it later."
Two clickers, a normal infected and a shambler in a room? "Hmm, should I use this molotov? I might need it later."