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The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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Ed interferes, but not that much.
I wish I could remember exactly when he said it. I think it was more of a comment from him on how he is limited in his influence on all aspects of the club. Evidently he's not doing great with the coaching bit either though
We could appoint someone who, unlike Roy Keane, isn't a shit football manager.
He ain't no coach. It's clear the players aren't coached properly. He's a big fat fail at coaching. Plus, he was just talking nonsense as usual.
Roy Keane's time with Ireland was made up of him giving some quotes in press conferences which kept the media happy as they had good copy but also with controversies of him falling out with players and criticism that there was no real hands-on coaching. He's a peasants version of Jose Mourinho, who is already shit, you're completely right that it would be a disaster.
That being said I don't know what we do for the rest of the season but it has to start with getting Mourinho out and bringing in more people to the club to run the football operations who can identify the correct manager and type of players to start turning us around.
90% yes.
His post match comments are pure banter at this point, but we'll have at least 3 more months of this trash yet.
Most managers never get the chance to mount a recovery nowadays, but Wenger is a good antidote to Ferguson. My point is that it is the easiest thing in the world to rail against a manager, and once he’s been sacked he essentially never has the opportunity to prove he wouldn’t have been a failure.
Who is he saying is permanently injured?
I've got a ticket for a match in January. If he's still there I will take my white hanky. Don't care if anyone looks at me funny like. Will have it out waving. Look out for me on TV
Do it!So yeah. Not all.
He said it when the rumours first came out that we were getting a DOF - which pissed him off as he saw it as his power dwindling. He was being facetious and provocative with that comment. He doesn't see himself as just a coach. He thinks he's better
That's not the point of my post though. Whether he's doing a good job at coaching isn't exactly relevant. The point is that hesh limited in the decisions he can make at the club, and unless something drastically changed, so will be the next manager
Things that will change when Jose is sacked.
- The new manager won't be Jose Mourinho
Profit.
I fecking will! No joke! Sick of it. Plus I always wanted to know how it would feel to do the hanky wave a la Madrid fans
I couldn't think of less of a coach from the managers in the top flight. He's a classic cheque book manager, that has found the new sky high fees, and not being the biggest spending powerhouse in the league tough to deal with.
For all the looking at City and realising we can't spend anywhere near as much as them, and bear in mind we had to bring in equivalents to De Bruyne and Aguero who they already had, you then look at Tottenham Chelsea and Arsenal and we've massively outspent them still.
Today was surely the final proof for any remaining Jose loyalists. He can’t even go away in a big fixture and grind out a result anymore. He’s finished as a top level manager.
Oh, you know what I mean.
I fecking will! No joke! Sick of it. Plus I always wanted to know how it would feel to do the hanky wave a la Madrid fans
Please also sing f off mourinho.
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We should reset this poll and make it public, to weed out the trolls and opposition fans.
You will be a trendsetter!I fecking will! No joke! Sick of it. Plus I always wanted to know how it would feel to do the hanky wave a la Madrid fans
This club isnt cursed. A new manager is certainly a step in the right direction. Will we suddenly be winning Champions Leagues over night? No. But a new set of ideas, a man manager, a motivated fresher approach is exactly what is needed right now.
First season we were supposed to win the Europa League and we did. Also, a player he signed in Zlatan was the key in the League Cup final. So, better start than LVG and Moyes
Second season, he got rid of Rooney and Bastian and improved position in the table but the team had bad performances in the CL, making the Europa League look like our true level.
This one we fell down in the table, our most talented player in Pogba is not happy with the coach and we know unless something crazy happens, we will be out of the CL soon.
So my assessment is, he did some good things in the short term but because of being apparently past his own coaching prime,being unable to get the best out of Pogba and being unable to develop Rashford/Martial's games, he should definitely not be here in the summer. Ok, he did not get the money he wanted from the board, but ultimately, he is still Jose Mourinho and we all thought he would be better than this.
Second season, he got rid of Rooney and Bastian and improved position in the table but the team had bad performances in the CL, making the Europa League look like our true level.
This one we fell down in the table, our most talented player in Pogba is not happy with the coach and we know unless something crazy happens, we will be out of the CL soon.
So my assessment is, he did some good things in the short term but because of being apparently past his own coaching prime,being unable to get the best out of Pogba and being unable to develop Rashford/Martial's games, he should definitely not be here in the summer. Ok, he did not get the money he wanted from the board, but ultimately, he is still Jose Mourinho and we all thought he would be better than this.
I sat behind the Barca fans at camp nou waving their white hankies. That was 10 mins into a game in a season where Barca ultimately won the league.I fecking will! No joke! Sick of it. Plus I always wanted to know how it would feel to do the hanky wave a la Madrid fans
I feel like this is said every other week and I agree.
I just know the club won't do anything though
He's not limited in my opinion. He has too much power. You never give too much power in one person's hands - especially not when that person has a track record of being unstable in his previous employments. He's not Sir Alex. It's a completely different situation.
If he didn't have power, we wouldn't have renewed Fellaini or bought an old Matic or a useless Lukaku. He's alienated our best and most creative players. He's thrown them and the club under the bus. What more power should he have? He's had too much.
Come join me Red Curry! I absolutely will have my white hanky there.
Edit - Those Madrid and Barca fans do not joke. They are not settling for mediocrity. Gotta respect that.
Sacking him tonight just feels right to me.
General thoughts about Mou and this season:
We're headed towards our worst season in terms of defensive performance since 1970-71 (when we conceded 66 goals, we're on course to concede 65 at this rate). We've spent an awful lot of money on impact signings, none of whom have worked out. Our manager has absolutely no idea of what our best XI is and has no idea how the team should play in general. We have no idea what to do with the ball and there is no sync between our players in the rare occasions we attack. We're sticking out of form players into the lineup for personal biases and no other reason whatsoever. There has literally been not a single positive thing to have come out from this season! Hell, we're out of the League cup and we didn't give debut to any kid!
Thoughts about today's match:
Lineup and Tactics- What the hell is that lineup, Matic was always going to struggle with the pace and their intensity. Plus, he hardly ever looks comfortable on the ball, which makes dispossessing him off the ball that much easier. Lukaku shouldn't have started as well. He is in terrible form and this was never going to be the game that would bring his form back.
Everyone knows that you need good technical players to tackle the pressing Klopp's teams do. So, atleast play one of Mata and Pogba. You need someone with a calming presence when in possession of the ball, not guys who run away from it
Substitutions- Now I get that Mou's philosophy is have as less football as you can as you are more vulnerable with the ball than without it. I don't agree with it, but when you're trailing, you need the ball to equalize. For that to happen you need players who can keep possession. So, instead of subbing Herrera who isn't that bad a player on ball, sub Matic!!! And when you have brought in Fellaini and are having Lukaku on the pitch, atleast use the 3rd sub to complement their needs. Put in someone who can put in good aerial passes like Pogba, not Mata (and I love Mata!).
Mata is useful if you are looking to play grounded football, nice pass and move game- but when he was brought on, neither did we have players to play that way, nor the time.
We're headed towards our worst season in terms of defensive performance since 1970-71 (when we conceded 66 goals, we're on course to concede 65 at this rate). We've spent an awful lot of money on impact signings, none of whom have worked out. Our manager has absolutely no idea of what our best XI is and has no idea how the team should play in general. We have no idea what to do with the ball and there is no sync between our players in the rare occasions we attack. We're sticking out of form players into the lineup for personal biases and no other reason whatsoever. There has literally been not a single positive thing to have come out from this season! Hell, we're out of the League cup and we didn't give debut to any kid!
Thoughts about today's match:
Lineup and Tactics- What the hell is that lineup, Matic was always going to struggle with the pace and their intensity. Plus, he hardly ever looks comfortable on the ball, which makes dispossessing him off the ball that much easier. Lukaku shouldn't have started as well. He is in terrible form and this was never going to be the game that would bring his form back.
Everyone knows that you need good technical players to tackle the pressing Klopp's teams do. So, atleast play one of Mata and Pogba. You need someone with a calming presence when in possession of the ball, not guys who run away from it
Substitutions- Now I get that Mou's philosophy is have as less football as you can as you are more vulnerable with the ball than without it. I don't agree with it, but when you're trailing, you need the ball to equalize. For that to happen you need players who can keep possession. So, instead of subbing Herrera who isn't that bad a player on ball, sub Matic!!! And when you have brought in Fellaini and are having Lukaku on the pitch, atleast use the 3rd sub to complement their needs. Put in someone who can put in good aerial passes like Pogba, not Mata (and I love Mata!).
Mata is useful if you are looking to play grounded football, nice pass and move game- but when he was brought on, neither did we have players to play that way, nor the time.
It does actually, we won't make top 4 with him so the question is does Woodward have the balls to pull the trigger earler this time around?
Be only me singing probably
White hanky will have to do unless you want to come join me?I will ask my Brighton supporting mate who will be there to get his lot to start singing that
Eh, there was a post up on r/reddevils saying we didn't play badly and it's really on the players for being shit. Got deleted though.
He was talking about modern day football and trying to dispute a DoF being a good thing IIRC. He wasn't talking about his current situation, but what his future role would be if we hired the DoF that was the talk of the town at the time.
Haha which game are you going to? I’ll see if I can find tickets.
Bring in Martin o'Neill and Roy Keane till the end of the season, let then get rid of the rubbish players
Finally one of the big pundits calls out this horseshit Neville has been helping Mourinho peddle, Everton went toe to toe with Liverpool at Anfield and had Mina and Keane as CB's.
Agreed and twitter to all relevant press people
It's not about balls, the investors have money riding on mourinho.
Am going to Brighton at home. Dunno if any tickets are left. Really going cause my Brighton supporting mate is going and we'll have a day out and some drinks
Not expecting us to deliver much....
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