We got Sir Alex, Bryan Robson, Eric Cantona and Ole give him a tour round carrington. If that doesn’t do it then nothing will, we didn’t feck it up Aaron Ramsey style.“Jude was in the building, we sold it to him”
Well obviously not.
“He knew what he wanted.”
Well what’s the point having him in the building if you’re unable to change his mind?
I said it at the time & I will say it again. We should have moved heaven & earth for that boy.
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What would be the baseline for him working?Would the Ronaldo signing have worked out if we brought in a better winger than Sancho?
Ronaldo was on the slide but his goal return was decent that season and in a better team he might've been just enough to do something serious.
Perhaps Ole had a plan for Sancho, I don't even think he was regular starter in the short time they worked together. Ole spoke about identifying the right kind of player for United but Sancho has proven to not be that so I wonder if he met him enough or he misjudged his character.
I don't know if I buy they were playing for him, Martial maybe, DVDB I dont know. I think they were just told to come on and said "yeah".
I wouldn’t even be bothered if we stayed a counter attacking side tbh. Very few things in football more enjoyable than a perfect counter attacking goal.Nostalgia but gimme 442, two centre forwards, two traditional wingers, two inverted full backs and give me the perfect players for that system.
This is the same as Jose signing Alexis Sanchez and the decision backfiring. The manager has a veto decision, but when a big player falls in your lap, it is quite difficult to say no, unless you are 100% sure it won't work.At least people can stop saying now that the club forced him to sign Ronaldo.
It made it sound like Rashford and McTom were the ones that didn't want to play to me.I don't know if I buy they were playing for him, Martial maybe, DVDB I dont know. I think they were just told to come on and said "yeah".
You're right. On the bolded part, Ole alluded to that Fergie clip in the podcast when saying Ronaldo wouldn’t react well to being dropped and the noise surrounding dropping him was unhelpful.If there was ever a lesson to be learned from stop signing ageing high profile players, this was it, this one signing had such a detrimental effect to what in fairness to ole was looking like a club going back in the right direction but he was completely undermined in his 3rd season by ronaldo ego and he may not say it publicly but fergie as well with that infamous clip of fergie saying ole should not have subbed ronaldo in a specific game (think it was everton)
Nope. As you said in an earlier post, he was a self-centered, ageing egomaniac who set us back, as his style of play went against what we were building in terms of a hard-working team.Would the Ronaldo signing have worked out if we brought in a better winger than Sancho?
Ronaldo was on the slide but his goal return was decent that season and in a better team he might've been just enough to do something serious.
That's true but in an alternate history where we have better players we might have gotten away with it.Nope. As you said in an earlier post, he was a self-centered, ageing egomaniac who set us back, as his style of play went against what we were building in terms of a hard-working team.
You quite clearly haven't got a clue what went on during his visit with us. You wouldn't have posted such tripe if you did.“Jude was in the building, we sold it to him”
Well obviously not.
“He knew what he wanted.”
Well what’s the point having him in the building if you’re unable to change his mind?
I said it at the time & I will say it again. We should have moved heaven & earth for that boy.
Ole Gunnar Wenger, the nearly man.
I think he means the thought process behind bringing in someone who was still one of the best goalscorers in the world and club legend into a squad without a consistent top striker (Cavani and Martial were very injury prone and Greenwood was still developing) was a good one. But ultimately the decision was wrong as they didn’t factor in the effect he would have out of possession on the team as well as how much of a focal point the squad would make him as well.Tweet
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Signing Ronaldo was the right decision but then says it was a wrong decision?
Yeh, it’s gas how people interpret some signings.This is the same as Jose signing Alexis Sanchez and the decision backfiring. The manager has a veto decision, but when a big player falls in your lap, it is quite difficult to say no, unless you are 100% sure it won't work.
He only signed for two years, so its unlikely it would've worked out any better than it did, particularly given that he had to deal with 3 different managers in 15 months, each with different approaches. That's not an ideal situation for any player, nevermind CR7.Would the Ronaldo signing have worked out if we brought in a better winger than Sancho?
Ronaldo was on the slide but his goal return was decent that season and in a better team he might've been just enough to do something serious.
Perhaps Ole had a plan for Sancho, I don't even think he was regular starter in the short time they worked together. Ole spoke about identifying the right kind of player for United but Sancho has proven to not be that so I wonder if he met him enough or he misjudged his character.
Personally I don't think Sancho’s time at United would've been as disastrous had Ole been in charge for another year or two. He was less strict than Ten Hag and likely wouldn't have gone in as hard on Sancho’s timekeeping issues.That's true but in an alternate history where we have better players we might have gotten away with it.
Or let's suppose we don't sign Ronaldo at all, would the Sancho signing have bitten him in the arse? What happened with Greenwood would've happened so Sancho would've probably been playing a lot more, maybe Elanga might have been developed more.
How on earth is it a fact.Disagree with this too. They’d have elevated United. There’s nobody here who would suddenly be the best player at city or Madrid if they’d joined them instead of us. Fact is we’ve just missed out on the 2 best players of this generation when we could have had them both. Awful recruitment which needs a giant overhaul
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Yeah, agreed. It was obvious Ole wanted Ronaldo, and I don't blame him. It was the people pretending that he was forced upon him, that I found odd.This is the same as Jose signing Alexis Sanchez and the decision backfiring. The manager has a veto decision, but when a big player falls in your lap, it is quite difficult to say no, unless you are 100% sure it won't work.
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No, because out of possession, Ronaldo wasn't willing to do even the bare minimum in regards to pressing the opponent.Would the Ronaldo signing have worked out if we brought in a better winger than Sancho?
Ronaldo was on the slide but his goal return was decent that season and in a better team he might've been just enough to do something serious.
Perhaps Ole had a plan for Sancho, I don't even think he was regular starter in the short time they worked together. Ole spoke about identifying the right kind of player for United but Sancho has proven to not be that so I wonder if he met him enough or he misjudged his character.
The only manager who has us actually playing football.Still the best manager we've had since Fergie. Nice to hear him speak on the things that happened, sounds more clued up than any of the managers we've had.
Say it because club were clearly negligent and boy have we paid for that in the last 5 yearsOle said when he was at Molde he rang Utd and told them they have to go for this kid , he is going to be phenomenal. He said 20m would have def got him before he moved to Salzburg , no big club was looking at him at the time.
I am not saying the club were negligent or anything , you can't act on every tip you get about an unknown player but looking back it was a missed opportunity.
Ole - "the club asked me, 'would you want us to try this?', and I said YES. It was my decision. It didn't work out for me and Cristiano, but it was the right decision"Very interesting indeed, maybe he was “forced” to sign Ronaldo, despite what he said in the interview about him, which was quite diplomatic anyway…
That's a very romantic view. A lot of the football was fecking terrible and people said so in real-time.The only manager who has us actually playing football.
From the impression I got, the players were asked if they wanted to play the second half or not because they were upset. Rashford and McTominay seem like they would have been close to Ole, so it's fair enough. I don't think there's any significance in the players coming on really.
Top clubs weren’t looking for Ronaldo for a reason.Yeah, agreed. It was obvious Ole wanted Ronaldo, and I don't blame him. It was the people pretending that he was forced upon him, that I found odd.
There are two ways of looking at it. That is one of them.From the impression I got, the players were asked if they wanted to play the second half or not because they were upset. Rashford and McTominay seem like they would have been close to Ole, so it's fair enough. I don't think there's any significance in the players coming on really.
From Ole's perspective, it was absolutely terrible planning, I fully agree. From a giddy fans' perspective, it seemed like a good signing for many people. But as the manager, Ole should have thought it through better.Top clubs weren’t looking for Ronaldo for a reason.
The main reason he was “perfect” for us was because it’s a proper United/woodward kind of signing. Nothing to do with what the team needs or fitting into any sort of plan, but a big name who will bring positive attention and vibes. There was a lot of pressure on Ole and given United have been getting players like Ighalo and Weghorst for managers, who wouldn’t snap their hands off for Ronaldo.
Jeez we could have got Rice as well,didn’t think it gets any worse but clearly I was wrong on thatI don't think the Bellingham one was one that got away , as Ole said did everything to convince him but his mind was set on elsewhere and getting regular first team football straight away. At 17 and then unproven he was never going to get that assurance at any top Premier league club.
But listening to Ole the Haaland one was there early in his career and we turned it down , Ole seems convinced for 20M and it would have been a done deal but the club ignored Ole's recommendation and never considered him.
Ole also seems to suggest we(The club) never put any effort into trying to sign Rice and we should have and maybe could have got him if we really wanted to.