I do love me a bit of refereeing ‘polemica’ as the Spanish call it.
Exactly. There's no difference. It's not like he's fouled twice. He runs his studs down Cavani's leg, the first contact is outside the box but it's all one motion and ends on the line, which is the box. Awful decision, especially considering the ref gave it and stopped play.
I haven’t seen any decent replays,but this is crucial - if an offence action is made outside the box and then another inside the box, or a prolonged offence starting outside the box and continuing into the box - just as in advantage of play - the attacker shall receive the advantage of continued play, and the part of the foul that happened inside the box should be called for. Said another way - if a player is fouled but the ball continues to a bigger goal opportunity, the advantage shall be given, and a penalty is a bigger goal opportunity than a free kick.
If video footage leaves as much as an inkling of doubt wether as much as a millimeter of the foul took part on the line of the box, V
The worse decision is not to play on, Bruno steps over it for Greenwood clean through, there was no advantage for us.
This is a blatant and very bad mistake from
That's insane. So if an attacker is running in the box but is pulled back by his arm which is outside the box then it's a freekick?
But his foot was on the line. That's the foot that got kicked, yes? On the line counts as inside the box, so if the foot that got tackled was inside the area then the foul happens inside the area, so it's a penalty.
It was his foot that was fouled. Not his shoulder, knee or thigh. His foot was on the line. Penalty. To make things even clearer, the defenders foot continued to crunch Cavani’s boot until the entirety of both of their feet was in the box.
And all of that is without even getting into the “clear and obvious error” loophole they’ve previously used to avoid changing referee’s decisions previously. It was an utterly bizarre decision. We get several similar VAR atrocities every set of fixtures too. It’s a farce.
The rule has never been about body parts. It has always been a question of where (from a birds eye perspective) the offence took place, and the offence is the action of the offender. If a player stands with half his foot on the line and you kick him in the heel, it’s a free kick, if you kick him in the toes, it’s a pen. It has always been like this, which is why since you grew up you’ve seen countless examples of a defender hanging onto a shirt or arm running behind the attacker, and then releasimg his grip the split second before entering the box, holding his arms up.
don't think its a pen, really cant understand the rule where if its on the line its a penalty when the ball has to go over the goal line to be a goal, but that some's up football rules at the moment a shambles, add in the contact is outside the box no matter where Cavani's foot is.
Another rule that has been the same for a century or more. A line is defined as prt of the area it marks out. The line that marks out the penalty box, is considered a part of the box. The line that marks out the field of play, is considered a part of the field of play. The goal line is part of the line of the field of play, so if some of the ball is alligned with the goal line (from a birds eye perspective, the ball is considered still within the field of play, and hence not entirely inside the goal. That’s just how it is, and every player knows this.
Martial dived. Wasn't a pen or red card.
Agreed. After seeing eighteen versions of the situation, I was sure Dean was going to rescind the penalty and give Martial a yellow card. Bednarek does not hinder him, he hinderes himself. Any contact is irrelevant if it’s not hindering the player.
The red card to Bednarek is to me the worst mistake of the lot. Yes, the wording of the red card rule is stupid and clumsy, in an attempt to avoid having referees think for themselves. If robots where to ref, a defender will get a red card for trying to get away from the attacker, and then being shoulder tackled by another attacker so he falls and is kicked in the head by the first attacker trying to score. That kind of stupidity hopefully no one ever wants. The argument that that ‘if he calls a pen he is forced to give a red’ is a part of this stupidity.
Everyone who has seen a game of football knows that referees call some fouls, let others slide, gives a red or a yellow based not only on mincing word definitions but on appraising the whole situation. It happens on every singlecorner kick. No referee is ever fired for it, and noone thinks a referee is making a grave mistake in not awarding 30 pens and red cards in a game for holding in the box.
Dean can see that Bednarek is trying not to foul Martial, that Martial goes down of his own free will, that the ball is running fast enough from Martial for it not to be that clear of a goal opportunity, and he can, and should undoubtedly, decide that whatever it is, it is not an action worthy of a red card, and so not give it. He would not be wrong, he would not be fired, and he would not be stupid.Neither would he be Mike Dean, unfortunately, as we all know Mike Dean will Mike Dean.
