In the end it didn’t effect the result, but the ref made a couple of absolute howlers last night.
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Mate only two of his 10 opponents are in blue on wikipedia
"Been nothing like this in boxing since a young Tyson." but I guess by the names from other sports you're comparing him to as prodigious talent, you think he has the potential to be Sugar Ray Robinson levels of good i.e. the best boxer of all time, which I think is crazy talk, especially so when he's faced no challenges yet.
He looks good, potentially great, but 'young Tyson' great, you're on your own with that. The buzz around him would also be astronomical if it was commonly held as an opinion.
AJ to his corner "what the feck! Did you see that shot? What the hell was that???"
Corner "yeah it was crazy, we'll work on it in the next camp, stay focused"
No, he didn't. He got outclassed the entire fight and then got knocked out.
It was quite a low shot.
He's talking about Itaume.No, he didn't. He got outclassed the entire fight and then got knocked out.
It was quite a low shot.
There hasn’t been a heavyweight boxer I’ve seen in 40 years that has the speed, accuracy and power that Moses Itaume has. His footwork, skills and boxing iq are off the scale. If you don’t believe me, YouTube his amateur & professional fights.
There’s a buzz from the people who work with him and apparently he’s been doing some incredible things in sparring, and he’s still just a teenager.
But you can quote me in 5 years time if you like, I’m very very very confident because I’m not blind.
Like I said, you're talking about him as though he's a sure thing to be a true all-time great, and it's premature, to me. He looks good - and I actually started watching him because of your posts some time ago - but you can't throw out such extreme statements without scrutiny, and I don't get that same feeling as watching a young Tyson do anything: footwork, bag work, pad work let alone putting it together in the ring, from him. Inuoe was the last One that I saw and excitedly @'d @Inter Yer Nan about, and I don't get that energy from Itaume, not yet anyway.
Perhaps you are going to be proven right, but I'm saying, at the moment, it's incredibly hyperbolic because he's not done anything of note yet except be another huge prospect in the sport.
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I know what I’m seeing and I’m absolutely convinced Itaume’s real deal and that it’s only a matter when not if he’ll be dominating the heavyweight division and on everybody’s lips. His only challenge is going to be finding opponents (or canon fodder) willing to box him.
He's not going to marry you. Or maybe he is, you could be his mum for all I know.
When's his next fight?
Don’t think there’s one scheduled, but I guess he’ll be on an undercard soon.
Fighters can look extremely good against fodder. Until he does it against elite opposition, it's all in your head.
The game has levels, and until Itauma has fought at certain levels, it's impossible to tell how he'll do. I like him though, and he's definitely promising.
Ah ok, never heard about him.
Just watched it. Good for Dubois, who Joshua and his team have completely looked down on the whole time.
For all the good AJ has apparently done for boxing and all that, he's been a weirdo and a massive twat for the most part too with the transparent "I'm actually a good guy!" persona despite being anything but that. Including during this fight with his pathetic antics like the tongue, dropping guard and guiding Dubois to his stool. He won't be allowed to retire of course, but all the above being said, he still probably deserves a better ending than crawling around the mat like a baby trying to walk. Just.
Chances are he'll now do a weird (and suspiciously drugged up) interview where he can't even look in the right direction talking about the rematch and how scary he is, once Hearn orders him into the rematch.
For all the good AJ has apparently done for boxing and all that, he's been a weirdo and a massive twat for the most part too with the transparent "I'm actually a good guy!" persona despite being anything but that. Including during this fight with his pathetic antics like the tongue, dropping guard and guiding Dubois to his stool. He won't be allowed to retire of course, but all the above being said, he still probably deserves a better ending than crawling around the mat like a baby trying to walk. Just.
Chances are he'll now do a weird (and suspiciously drugged up) interview where he can't even look in the right direction talking about the rematch and how scary he is, once Hearn orders him into the rematch.
I can sort of understand what Joshua is saying it's not like Dubios is a difficult puzzle to solve but his aggression caught Joshua off guard I reckon, which is a mirror in his performance against Andy Ruiz.
I think the concern for Anthony is his punch resistance (which wasn't fantastic to begin with) is called into question. If there's ever a fighter I worry for when it comes to exchanges its Joshua when he goes blow for blow with a game opponent his chin never holds up.
Dubios upon reflection didn't even look to have turned his gloves fully over when he was punching, he landed grazing blows and Joshua was rocked.
That's a retirement level performance not on the premise of the outcome (losing) but the mitigating factor in punch resistance, he has to think about his long-term health.
Sorry but this comment is a complete load of fecking bollocks. To say people are just here for AJ is massively disrespectful and incredibly offensive. There are many here who are true boxing fans with great knowledge.
AJ is a bum, he's also not a nice person at all. Just ask all those who he used to bully at school. As for boxing, yeah he's a big guy, has a hard punch but his technique has always been lacking. Before his losses he just fought with power and after losing he tried to learn to box a little more but he's always been too arrogant, too cocky and too slow at reading the opponent as his first fight with Ruiz showed. Last night was a disaster. He continually made out he wasn't hurt and arrogantly kept just walking back in to the same punches. He's lucky he's not severely hurt or even killed.
He has the size and reach and could easily have kept Dubois at bay and taken his time to break him down but he just went in for an all out war. That was never going to work as Dubois can take a punch and AJ can't. Mind you, in the heavyweight division especially, one punch can finish anyone and that's what makes it so exciting and often unpredictable. The thing is, shit fighters with good punches can get lucky but always get found out. Wilder and AJ both fall in to that category.
I grew up watching Marvin Hagler, Sugar Ray Leonard, Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Mike Tyson, Joe Calzaghe, Roy Jones Jr, Barry McGuigan, Manny Pacquiao, Oscar De La Hoya, and so many more ... AJ isn't worthy of being classed anywhere near any of them. Granted he's won two world titles and credit to him for that, I couldn't do it. But he won them at a time the heavyweight division was weak in comparison to previous times and it still is. Dubois is promising but I don't think he's anything truly special. Usyk is definitely a great fighter and Fury as much as he has the heart of a lion and as much as great boxer he is, he's still nothing TRULY special. More awkward if anything. But that's subjective really and a debate that's had in pubs and front rooms all around the world each time people gather to watch boxing.
Just because not all of us post here regularly doesn't mean we are just part time fans or AJ haters. I don't hate AJ just hate the hype and personally find it funny that people defend him when not really knowing what he's like or because of his name rather than his actual boxing ability (or lack thereof)
I just don't post here often because I spend fight nights with mates and we usually get smashed and make a night of it as we did last night when every single one of us said AJ could be in serious trouble so feck knows what that commentator was on about saying everyone thought AJ was going to walk it. Had they not seen Dubuois fight before? Not seen his recent fights against Usyk or Hrgovic or Miller?
AJ needs to retire now, and Fury will be soon unless he gets lucky against Usyk. If he does he will get his trilogy but if he loses again he will be on Netflix next December against AJ.... Guaranfeckingteed .. Oh, and unless he gets lucky ... He's fecking losing that too.. All day long.
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To be fair, I agree with a lot of your post. However, you are totally deluded if you can't see that AJ is the biggest appeal to boxing casuals in decades, just look at how many times he has sold Wembley out against medicore opposition. Therefore, it is quite clear that a lot of 'people are just here for AJ', which is totally fine as they obviously find watching/following him entertaining. In terms of character, well, let's not get into the characters of a lot of sportspeople...
I agree that AJ is not elite, which has now been proven, but my point is that there is no need to ridicule a guy who won Olympic gold and is a two-time world champion. I'm obviously fighting against the tide on that one as it is the society we live in, turbocharged by the internet obviously.
I never said he didn't have appeal. Of course he does. He is charming, good looking and has an amazing physique. He also speaks well at times and comes across relatable to many. His olympic win was deserved and was before he went all out on size. Since he turned pro he has been massively over hyped, overrated and hugely mismanaged in my opinion.
As I said in my post, he had the ability and reach to keep Dubois at bay but through arrogance, recklessness and severely disrespectfing his opponent he chose to instead go toe to toe. Aside from the very last round he didn't catch Dubois with any decent punches instead was just used as a punchbag himself.
I love boxing, always have, and many fighters are absolute wankers, but if they are they own it or back it up in the ring. AJ pretends to be otherwise yet his mask always slips and as shown in the ring, he can't back it up either. That's why as much as I think Fury is a cock, at least he fecking owns it and he has backed it up time and time again. Not always pretty, but he's still managed to find a win. Although I think in Ulysk he's bitten off more than he can chew especially at the age he is now. But the thing with Tyson is he's always unpredictable and when people write him off he is at his most dangerous because he hates losing and literally lives to prove people wrong. AJ is all about the money and glamour and has been for a few years. He lost the respect for the sport that made him and ultimately believed his own hype.
I don't doubt he's got all the potential in the world but the more experienced bruisers would school him at the moment. The likes of Zhang, Chisora, Parker before you even get to the elite.
His Management team quite rightly will get him progressively tougher tasks to get rounds into him and look for titles in about 3 years.
The problem will be in contracting the right type of opponent to give him this.
Just seen a few of his fights. The mam needs better quality opponents. He's only fought against...well below average fighters.
He had a great career. Sure it was carefully staged, dutifully pampered, well above his real worth as a boxeur since his contested olympic gold… yet at this stage, please sir AJ, just retire your cash-cow figure from your promoter’s fingers without damaging your own health and reputation further… imho.
Even against bums you still need to hit them, his accuracy and hand speed are off the scale for a heavyweight, so is his footwork. It’s so obvious the guy is a generational talent. I’m not saying he should be fighting the best already, I’m all for slowly bringing him and he’ll struggle to find the opponens anyway. Although Frank Warren did mention Joyce or even Parker within the next 12 months would you believe.
Anyway, for me it’s clear he’s the future of heavyweight boxing and he’s destined to become a superstar of boxing that that will probably transcend his sport being a heavyweight.
You’ve not seen him: take a punch, handle adversity, have to fight on the backfoot, take on any puzzle, go through a war of attrition, be outsized against someone who fights back, overpowered etc. etc.
Going forward and outclassing fodder isn’t anything special for high profile boxers; they get fed cans to tune up their game. It doesn’t mean much until they are actually in 2-way contests and we get to see what they are made of.
Joshua was knocking people out for fun at a similar stage in his career and I can remember the over the top reaction to his speed and punching strength at the time. He had something like 20 KO's or TKO's running and was winning most inside a couple of rounds.
Watch some of his amateur fights I’d say. And a lot of his opponents have outsized him, he’s not a big heavyweight. His last two opponents were not mugs btw, even if he made them look that way.
I get what your saying, but Itaume is not your average boxer.
Joshua won Olympic gold ffs.
Itauma is nothing like Joshua btw, Itauma’s talent is on a different stratosphere.
Yeah, and easily won his early fights as a pro looking great doing so. Joshua was levels above them, but still struggled at the top which is why it's difficult to tell early on.
Itauma could turn out amazing and I hope he does, but we won't know until he moves up a few levels of opponent.
People watch heavyweight boxing to watch AJ get knocked out. He’s a preening, fight dodging gobshite. Detestable human being. He acts like an Heavyweight all timer and has never been more than Frank Bruno with better PR and safeguarding.
He’s the Michael Owen of boxing. Weird little edgelord that’s lucky he’s built like a brick shit house.
There’s only been two heavyweights to blow me away when first watching them, one was Mike Tyson, the other is Itauma.
People saying Itauma isn't hyped, as though that really matters, but I'm sure he is hyped. I've read and heard a lot about him and I haven't followed boxing as much for a while now. I'm constantly getting articles about him pop up on my news feed on my phone. He must be doing something right.
I haven't seen him though so can't give my opinion on what I think. Sometimes you can tell really when there's a good boxer coming through, some of the talents, like Curmel Moton, at the lower weights, who they've been talking about since he was a kid. There's a few others too. Tank is another good example from recent years. On the flip side, boxing does often see overhyped fighters fall flat on their face as soon as they're tested, but I think a lot of these fighters do lack some fundamentals if you look carefully.
I haven't seen him though so can't give my opinion on what I think. Sometimes you can tell really when there's a good boxer coming through, some of the talents, like Curmel Moton, at the lower weights, who they've been talking about since he was a kid. There's a few others too. Tank is another good example from recent years. On the flip side, boxing does often see overhyped fighters fall flat on their face as soon as they're tested, but I think a lot of these fighters do lack some fundamentals if you look carefully.
That’s the thing about Itauma. He’s got the fundamentals, technically he’s wow class. I don’t think he’s even been hit properly in his professional bouts. His footwork is outstanding. He’s got skills, speed, accuracy and a bomb of a left hand. I haven’t spotted a weakness. Most of his fights are in full on YouTube.
Any idea why he isn't lined up for another fight? He wanted a fight on the Joshua card but obviously didn't get one and was/is meant to be on the undercard for the upcoming Fury v Usyk rematch in December but as of yet he's not. I know Warren has said he wants Parker or Joyce next but seeing as Joyce fought and lost to Chisora recently that's not going to be any time soon, and certainly not given the rumours he could be severely injured and shouldn't fight again. Parker has also called out Dubois and I can see that being lined up too. So where does that leave Moses?
That’s my main issue with Joshua he’s so unlikable and fake the guy is a clown
Hope he carries on there’s another 3-4 of those losses coming he’s shite
Problem Dubois has is that he lacks personality. He seems a nice guy but just dull. Maybe it's just me. I know for real boxing fans that means sht but boxing is a show and the likes of AJ and Fury became as big partly because of thier personality.