It's neither smug nor arrogant to say that United are currently no closer than Spurs to winning either the league title or the CL ... it's simply a fair reflection on how things are.
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People still nibble at Glastons bait?
Are Spurs linked with any players inparticular, or are they just renewing all their players at the minute?
Are Spurs linked with any players inparticular, or are they just renewing all their players at the minute?
If we can renew players like Verthongen, Eriksen and Son and a new contract for Poch that in itself would be a good transfer window.
If we could get one marquee signing on top of that it would show a signal of intent to take the step up, but who knows if it'll happen.
De Ligt I’d say will be a definite target when Toby moves on. We need quality midfielders, a link, ball playing midfielder and a back up for Kane/ who can also play on the flanks. If we could get a clear upgrade at either LB or RB I’d say we would be intrested also. I do think there will be money to spend as well as any money for Toby and hopefully Sissoko (hopes China comes calling with silly moneh.
You would have to say another season where Spurs have punched well above their weight in respect of transfer resources. Again they fell away at the wrong time of the season but another CL qualification and have played some brilliant football during the year.
They must be gutted for not turning up in the FA semi as we were there for the taking.
They must be gutted for not turning up in the FA semi as we were there for the taking.
Yes, yes we are gutted
.*walks into thread* 'Oh man it's a shit show again' *walks out of thread*
We're no closer to winning the PL or CL if you completely ignore our turnover. Taking that into consideration if you were to state the 5 teams most likely to win the CL or the 2 teams most likely to win the PL over the next 5 years, United would be mentioned in both.
Spurs would be maybe 15th and 5th respectively.
While I agree you have the resources to have more of a chance to win the League, there is only one team that will win it for at least the next 2 years.
What has club turnover got to do with winning the CL if either the money isnt invested in the team or we continue to spend the money poorly.
It'd be helpful that if people stop taking the bait of that "person" in this thread.
There are decent Spurs fans like @balaks and @hellohello. Better to debate/engage with them and keep that child alone.
There are decent Spurs fans like @balaks and @hellohello. Better to debate/engage with them and keep that child alone.
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The fact that its a great achievement to simply finish above United should speak volumes!
You think finishing second with nothing is better than 5th with 2 trophy's and CL qualification all you got was CL football.
I suppose us Utd fans should remember that Spurs are just a mid-table club who has some good players right now.
Well i guess we have a whole new season soon plenty of goals for prince Harry of Kane to steal and trophy's that you wont win!
Must be sad entering every season knowing you wont win anything as net spend is king.
You think finishing second with nothing is better than 5th with 2 trophy's and CL qualification all you got was CL football.
I suppose us Utd fans should remember that Spurs are just a mid-table club who has some good players right now.
Well i guess we have a whole new season soon plenty of goals for prince Harry of Kane to steal and trophy's that you wont win!
Must be sad entering every season knowing you wont win anything as net spend is king.
Glaston being deluded again. The gap between us and Spurs will increase next year.
I'm sure you would have posted something similar just after Fergie retired, but probably have given United an even higher rating and Spurs lower.
But the reality since then has been that Spurs average league position has been 3.8, whilst United's has been 4.6.
And the income gap between the two clubs has closed significantly in proportional terms during this period and looks set to close further.
So the notion that United are closer to winning the league than Spurs doesn't stand up to scrutiny. And as for United's abject performance in the CL the less said the better.
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The former is the best opposition fan on any forum.
@GlastonSpur ive asked you this a few times but I’ll try again.
What’s so different about spurs move to their new stadium than Arsenal’s move to the emirates? Because if the Gunners move is any kind of indicator as to what you can expect...
What’s so different about spurs move to their new stadium than Arsenal’s move to the emirates? Because if the Gunners move is any kind of indicator as to what you can expect...
Anyone know what Spurs are hoping to get for Dembele? Fellaini might be wrong that it would cost 50m euros to replace him...
Average league postion? Really?
Utd almost doubled your income last year!
This is just rambling nonsense
I think there are two main differences financially speaking:
1. Spurs saved up money for years (very low net spend) etc. to invest in the stadium. Although I don't have Arsenal's figures to hand, my guess is that, as a result, the proportion of the total stadium cost to be borne by debt is lower.
2. The income boost for Spurs from the new stadium will be proportionally much bigger than the boost Arsenal got from their move.
Isn't that some kind of indicator as to the near future likelihood of winning the league title?
It isn't nonsense. Compare the income of the two clubs at the end of Fergie's last season and compare them now - the result is that the proportional gap has closed significantly.
Proportionally bigger to what degree? And are you adjusting for inflation?
Do you expect Spurs, at any point in the future, to be on a comparable level financially to the likes of City, United or Chelsea?
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The actual gap is almost double though. 2 years in a row as number 1 despite Madrid winning back to back CL.
A few top 4 finishes to bump you up ONE place last year in the revenue league doesn't mean anything.
Imagine if we weren't in the banter years during that time.
Its a nothing argument, making points for the sake of them.
You only scraped into the top 10..I mean come on now.
Not in any way, shape or form is that even remotely an indicator as to the future aspirations of the football clubs in question. Pure lunacy to suggest otherwise.
Spurs were on an upward spiral around the period of SAF's retirement (although they have leveled out the last couple of seasons) whilst United had entered a state of transition that would last half a decade or more. When you consider United's financial strength and brand, it is only logical to expect them to buy themselves out of transition and eventually a league title. Spurs had their chance during the Leicester anomoly and failed to capitalise. They are unlikely to find a better chance any time soon, not when you consider the financial strentgh of the teams that oppose them (those mentioned above).
I don't have the figures for Arsenal. But the difference in capacity between Highbury and the Emirates is less than between WHL and our new stadium. More importantly, ours will be more of a stadium complex - multi-use and multi-purpose - and so have multiple income streams.
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Chelsea yes - any sugar-daddy free gifts from Abramovich aside. The others, no .... or not in the near future at least.
The gap maybe nearly double, but that doesn't change the fact that the proportional gap has closed and will close further.
From here on in it's not so much the revenue from league places (including any CL qualifications) that will figure, it's much more the boost in income from our new stadium.
Arsenal got a huge boost in match day revenue.
Back then match day revenue was more important. 45% of Arsenal revenue came from Match day. As of 2015-16 it was down to 29%.
No doubt the new stadium will improve Spurs turnover but the trend in football is that it's becoming less important.
There is absolutely no way that Spurs saved up anything significant and given stadium cost of 800m-1bil I bet whatever number you come up with from 1. above will be completely immaterial.
As for no 2, income boost may be higher but the stadium cost is almost double. Poch thought that the stadium was going to generate money which could be used for the team but the reality is you’re going to be struggling with finances for the next 5 years. Just wait and see. Drop out of the CL and it’s going to really hurt.
Sorry, but league table positions clearly are one indicator (not the only one of course) of near-future title-winning chances. Otherwise you'd give West Ham an equal chance with United on that score.
League positions aren't a great tell though for future title winning chances. Spurs have finished 3rd, 2nd and 3rd now in a row yet have never seriously looked like they were challenging for the title come April.
I looked it up
2015
Utd £433.2
Spurs £196
2017
Utd £581.2m
Spurs £305m
The difference being a lack of CL football for last year
Its a nonsense point. You might catch us in 100 years if we also fail to qualify for the CL every season as well.
Okay, you win. I'm offically lost for words.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ur-agrees-to-897-million-plan-for-new-stadium
Spurs are thinking that match day revenue will be around £100mil. Around the same as Arsenal.
They are hoping to get £3mil per non-football event. They are allowed 16 non-football events. So it could add an extra £48mil.
Hey..... am I chopped liver?
It’s also an indicator of a big, fecking nasty glass ceiling that you’ll never get past. It must hurt you that we suddenly finished above you once again, perhaps winning a trophy once again - just like that... For all the imaginary success you’re finding behind all the numbers and biased theories, Chelsea will probably buy a few players this summer that will bump you down to 5th again - and nobody would give a single feck. Getting an upturn must have been great, but it doesn’t look like you’re enjoying it one bit. Too bad there are absolutely no trophies to show for it. Bale, Modric, Kane, Walker, Alderweireld... not a single trophy even though you had all the talent in the world as disposal.
It’s comertial revenue and fan base that we hope will really increase, yes match day will hopefully in real terms double but that’s not where the big money is.
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