Ahead of our visit to Stamford Bridge, and prior to Anfield, a lot has been made of Mourinho's record against the top 6 - particularly the away form. Lets have a look at the others:
Feel as if our record away to the top 6 has been overstated. Granted our performances weren't great, you wouldn't think anyone, bar Liverpool, would have been too impressed with their respective performances. Even they've been humbled in both their away games this season.
Arsenal: 2 points from 7 games. Chelsea: 7 points from 6 games Liverpool: 9 points from 7 games City: 7 points from 6 games. Spurs: 2 points from 6 games United: 3 points from 6 games.
So as it stands, Arsenal have the worst record, followed by Spurs and then us.
Also doesn't factor in that we played Spurs and Arsenal away with second-string teams to save players for the Europa League final as 4th was already gone.
Arsenal: 2 points from 7 games. Chelsea: 7 points from 6 games Liverpool: 9 points from 7 games City: 7 points from 6 games. Spurs: 2 points from 6 games United: 3 points from 6 games.
So as it stands, Arsenal have the worst record, followed by Spurs and then us.
Also doesn't factor in that we played Spurs and Arsenal away with second-string teams to save players for the Europa League final as 4th was already gone.
Let's bear in mind three of the away games for us last season happened at a stage where we gave up on the league. Were down to the barebones and started resting players for Europa.
As long as we at least try to attack, I don't mind. We don't need to go there and park the bus for the whole game. We have very good forwards who need service. I hope Mourinho picks a strong team which will be good at both attack and defend, and have match winners on the bench also..
‘Big games’ are overrated to me. If we get anything on Sunday, we would have gone through this period of ‘tough’ games and only managed a defeat against fecking Huddersfield. That loss is a reminder that all are as important as the other. To make up for that, we really need to try and beat Chelsea. If we’d have won that, we’d be 2 points behind City.
Same happened last season. Dropping points that we’ve already counted is what fecked us. We need to be approaching those games with the same attitude.
As you can tell, I’m still furious about the shambles at Huddersfield!
Arsenal: 2 points from 7 games. Chelsea: 7 points from 6 games Liverpool: 9 points from 7 games City: 7 points from 6 games. Spurs: 2 points from 6 games United: 3 points from 6 games.
So as it stands, Arsenal have the worst record, followed by Spurs and then us.
Also doesn't factor in that we played Spurs and Arsenal away with second-string teams to save players for the Europa League final as 4th was already gone.
I'm bumping this as I've seen a few comments complaining about Mourinho's away record in the big games, this is an updated version (17/18):
Arsenal 1 draw and 2 losses. 1 point.
Chelsea 1 win and 2 draws. 5 points.
City 2 wins and 1 loss. 6 points.
Liverpool 1 draw and 2 losses. 1 point.
United 1 win, 1 draw and 2 losses. 4 points.
Spurs 3 losses. 0 points.
Overall
City 5 wins and 1 loss. 15 points
Chelsea 2 wins, 3 draws and 1 loss. 9 points
Liverpool 2 wins, 2 draw and 2 losses. 8 points
United 2 wins, 1 draw and 3 losses. 7 points
Spurs 2 wins, 1 draw and 3 losses. 7 points
Arsenal 1 win, 3 draws and 3 losses. 6 points
Going into the last third of the season, we've the most home games against the top 6 with the solitary away game against City in April.
I'm bumping this as I've seen a few comments complaining about Mourinho's away record in the big games, this is an updated version (17/18):
Arsenal 1 draw and 2 losses. 1 point.
Chelsea 1 win and 2 draws. 5 points.
City 2 wins and 1 loss. 6 points.
Liverpool 1 draw and 2 losses. 1 point.
United 1 win, 1 draw and 2 losses. 4 points.
Spurs 3 losses. 0 points.
Overall
City 5 wins and 1 loss. 15 points
Chelsea 2 wins, 3 draws and 1 loss. 9 points
Liverpool 2 wins, 2 draw and 2 losses. 8 points
United 2 wins, 1 draw and 3 losses. 7 points
Spurs 2 wins, 1 draw and 3 losses. 7 points
Arsenal 1 win, 3 draws and 3 losses. 6 points
Going into the last third of the season, we've the most home games against the top 6 with the solitary away game against City in April.
As long as we play the correct formation/players in their right position with the addition of Sanchez our record should improve albeit we wont be the only ones who will improve over the next 18 months
I'm bumping this as I've seen a few comments complaining about Mourinho's away record in the big games, this is an updated version (17/18):
Arsenal 1 draw and 2 losses. 1 point.
Chelsea 1 win and 2 draws. 5 points.
City 2 wins and 1 loss. 6 points.
Liverpool 1 draw and 2 losses. 1 point.
United 1 win, 1 draw and 2 losses. 4 points.
Spurs 3 losses. 0 points.
Overall
City 5 wins and 1 loss. 15 points
Chelsea 2 wins, 3 draws and 1 loss. 9 points
Liverpool 2 wins, 2 draw and 2 losses. 8 points
United 2 wins, 1 draw and 3 losses. 7 points
Spurs 2 wins, 1 draw and 3 losses. 7 points
Arsenal 1 win, 3 draws and 3 losses. 6 points
Going into the last third of the season, we've the most home games against the top 6 with the solitary away game against City in April.
People on here just want to find a way to complain about something - this just isn't it. In fact, there isn't a lot to complain about overall but half of the cafe, if not more, will find the smallest mole hill and make it into a mountain. The last month, we won 5 and lost 1 yet you still feel more people complained after the Spurs loss than praised us after a great month. What I find even more humorous is the fact that we had people complaining after we beat Spurs late last year.
I'm bumping this as I've seen a few comments complaining about Mourinho's away record in the big games, this is an updated version (17/18):
Arsenal 1 draw and 2 losses. 1 point.
Chelsea 1 win and 2 draws. 5 points.
City 2 wins and 1 loss. 6 points.
Liverpool 1 draw and 2 losses. 1 point.
United 1 win, 1 draw and 2 losses. 4 points.
Spurs 3 losses. 0 points.
Overall
City 5 wins and 1 loss. 15 points
Chelsea 2 wins, 3 draws and 1 loss. 9 points
Liverpool 2 wins, 2 draw and 2 losses. 8 points
United 2 wins, 1 draw and 3 losses. 7 points
Spurs 2 wins, 1 draw and 3 losses. 7 points
Arsenal 1 win, 3 draws and 3 losses. 6 points
Going into the last third of the season, we've the most home games against the top 6 with the solitary away game against City in April.
Obviously the record isn't good, but a bigger problem is the actual performances. Away from home we basically just leak chances to the opposition, and have very little ourselves. Even our only away win to Arsenal was not actually a good performance after the first 10 mins. We got a 2-0 lead, and then proceeded to sit back, even though we are absolutely awful at sitting back, and gave away big chance after big chance... And that was to Arsenal who are woeful this year. And it's not like the other games were any better. Performances in every big game seems to be we just get battered but de Gea sometimes saves us. Spurs at home was just a bore draw with almost no chances for either side, but we grinded out a result with the random flick on. It's not like we outplayed them... It was a nothing game decided by a tiny moment.
Home against Arsenal last season was probably the only time we significantly outplayed the opposition AND created a lot of chances (which we still drew), the way Spurs did to us the other day. We defensively shut out chelsea last season, and were clinical, but it wasn't like we battered them or significantly outplayed them. We just did a solid all around job on them. We pretty much never have an all around convincing performance in any big game and that has to start changing when you see the players we have. Like even if we go a goal or 2 down, the second half of that spurs game was embarrassing. Say what you want about Arsenal but they responded to us once going 2 goals down and pretty much battered us without finishing their chances so they still lost. We lose a goal and just stop playing basically.
The stats you are showing for 17-18 are inaccurate because
1) Season isn't over yet, so all the teams have played different number of away matches, one team might have played more away matches then the other. It makes no sense to compare the stats if one team has played only 2 and other has played 4.
2) Number are inaccurate as well as Liverpool has played more than 2 away matches, not sure but my guess is 4 since we only have 2 away matches left.
My apologies, you have already presented the accurate stats. But I don't know how to delete the post , new to the forum.
Obviously the record isn't good, but a bigger problem is the actual performances. Away from home we basically just leak chances to the opposition, and have very little ourselves. Even our only away win to Arsenal was not actually a good performance after the first 10 mins. We got a 2-0 lead, and then proceeded to sit back, even though we are absolutely awful at sitting back, and gave away big chance after big chance... And that was to Arsenal who are woeful this year. And it's not like the other games were any better. Performances in every big game seems to be we just get battered but de Gea sometimes saves us. Spurs at home was just a bore draw with almost no chances for either side, but we grinded out a result with the random flick on. It's not like we outplayed them... It was a nothing game decided by a tiny moment.
Home against Arsenal last season was probably the only time we significantly outplayed the opposition AND created a lot of chances (which we still drew), the way Spurs did to us the other day. We defensively shut out chelsea last season, and were clinical, but it wasn't like we battered them or significantly outplayed them. We just did a solid all around job on them. We pretty much never have an all around convincing performance in any big game and that has to start changing when you see the players we have. Like even if we go a goal or 2 down, the second half of that spurs game was embarrassing. Say what you want about Arsenal but they responded to us once going 2 goals down and pretty much battered us without finishing their chances so they still lost. We lose a goal and just stop playing basically.
This is the problem. Big games seldom produce the fantasy performances you want them to. Think back to the SAF years, how often did we blow away the top teams? We won a fair amount of them, but a lot of them were close, others not so much. We've an average amount of points from our rivals this season, if we can pick up 4-6 more, honestly, who cares about how we get them?
This is the problem. Big games seldom produce the fantasy performances you want them to. Think back to the SAF years, how often did we blow away the top teams? We won a fair amount of them, but a lot of them were close, others not so much. We've an average amount of points from our rivals this season, if we can pick up 4-6 more, honestly, who cares about how we get them?
There's a difference in games basically being around 50/50 chance wise as you'd expect, but the thing is, our big game performance at home are at best that. Most of the time the opposition completely outplays us and we're fortunate to get out with a draw. Never do we actually outplay the opponent. And it happened plenty of times with Sir Alex that we were clearly the better team and had a clear system in those games to get the result. Sometimes it happened that we would play poorly and grind out a result or lose, sometimes they were even games, but we had our fair share of games where we were clearly the better side and put in convincing performances. Especially when we clearly had the better side. Even with Van Gaal we generally played well in the big games. With Mourinho, the big games have just been a mess and the results poor.
Some of the stats I’ve seen dont include Arsenal because they're not in the top 4.
Also, the away games to spurs and arsenal last year were dead rubbers for us.
The fact that some of these stats are for away games only dont include wins against Chelsea last year, beating Spurs this year etc. We dominated Arsenal last year as well. There are obviously improvements we can make, but even this year we’ve had Carrick, Fellaini and Pogba all out for the big games.
City 6P 5W 1L 15 pts 2H 2A left
Chelsea 6P 2W 3D 1L 9 pts 2H 2A left
Liverpool 7P 2W 3D 2L 9 pts 1H 2A left
United 6P 2W 1D 3L 7 pts 3H 1A left
Spurs 6P 2W 4L 6 pts 2H 2A left
Arsenal 7P 1W 3D 3L 1H 2A left
Away games only: City 3P 6 pts, Chelsea 3P 5 pts, United 4P 4 pts, Liverpool 3P 1 pts, Arsenal 3P 1 pts, Spurs 3P 0 pts
Take away city:
Chelsea 5P 9pts (5 in 3 away)
United 5P 7 pts (4 in 4 away)
'Pool 5P 6 pts (1 in 2 away)
Spurs 5P 6 pts (0 in 2 away)
Arsenal 6P 6 pts (1 in 2 away)
Without arsenal:
City 12/5 (6/3)
Chelsea 7/4 (4/2)
Spurs 6/5 (0/2)
'Pool 5/5 (0/2)
United 4/5 (1/3)
The fact that some of these stats are for away games only dont include wins against Chelsea last year, beating Spurs this year etc. We dominated Arsenal last year as well. There are obviously improvements we can make, but even this year we’ve had Carrick, Fellaini and Pogba all out for the big games.
We got the tactics wrong. We beat Spurs at our ground without Pogba. He did offer a lot against Arsenal though. On Carrick and Fellaini, it was more because it didnt give us an option to play 3 CMS with Pogba also out.
Away league records for managers at current clubs (except Wenger)
Mauricio Pochettino
29/09/14: Arsenal 1:1 Spurs
18/10/14: Man City 4:1 Spurs
03/12/14: Chelsea 3:0 Spurs
10/02/15: Liverpool 3:2 Spurs
15/03/15: Man Utd 3:0 Spurs
08/08/15: Man Utd 1:0 Spurs
08/11/15: Arsenal 1:1 Spurs
14/02/16: Man City 1:2 Spurs
02/04/16: Liverpool 1:1 Spurs
02/05/16: Chelsea 2:2 Spurs
06/11/16: Arsenal 1:1 Spurs
26/11/16: Chelsea 2:1 Spurs
11/12/16: Man Utd 1:0 Spurs
21/01/17: Man City 2:2 Spurs
11/02/17: Liverpool 2:0 Spurs
28/10/17: Man Utd 1:0 Spurs
18/11/17: Arsenal 2:0 Spurs
16/12/17: Man City 4:1 Spurs
v Arsenal: P4 W0 D3 L1 Pts: 3/12
v Chelsea: P3 W0 D1 L2 Pts: 1/9
v Liverpool: P3 W0 D1 L2 Pts: 1/9
v Man City: P4 W1 D1 L2 Pts: 4/12
v Man Utd: P4 W0 D0 L4 Pts: 0/12
Jose Mourinho
17/10/16: Liverpool 0:0 Man Utd
23/10/16: Chelsea 4:0 Man Utd
27/04/17: Man City 0:0 Man Utd
07/05/17: Arsenal 2:0 Man Utd
14/05/17: Spurs 2:1 Man Utd
14/10/17: Liverpool 0:0 Man Utd
05/11/17: Chelsea 1:0 Man Utd
02/12/17: Arsenal 1:3 Man Utd
31/01/18: Spurs 2:0 Man Utd
v Arsenal: P2 W1 D0 L1 Pts: 3/6
v Chelsea: P2 W0 D0 L2 Pts: 0/6
v Liverpool: P2 W0 D2 L0 Pts: 2/6
v Man City: P1 W0 D1 L0 Pts: 1/3
v Spurs: P2 W0 D0 L2 Pts: 0/6
Jurgen Klopp
17/10/15: Spurs 0:0 Liverpool
31/10/15: Chelsea 1:3 Liverpool
21/11/15: Man City 1:4 Liverpool
14/08/16: Arsenal 3:4 Liverpool
27/08/16: Spurs 1:1 Liverpool
16/09/16: Chelsea 1:2 Liverpool
15/01/17: Man Utd 1:1 Liverpool
19/03/17: Man City 1:1 Liverpool
09/09/17: Man City 5:0 Liverpool
22/10/17: Spurs 4:1 Liverpool
22/12/17: Arsenal 3:3 Liverpool
v Arsenal: P2 W1 D1 L0 Pts: 4/6
v Chelsea: P2 W2 D0 L0 Pts: 6/6
v Man City: P3 W1 D1 L1 Pts: 4/9
v Man Utd: P1 W0 D1 L0 Pts: 1/3
v Spurs: P3 W0 D2 L1 Pts: 2/9
Antonio Conte
24/09/16: Arsenal 3:0 Chelsea
03/12/16: Man City 1:3 Chelsea
04/01/17: Spurs 2:0 Chelsea
31/01/17: Liverpool 1:1 Chelsea
16/04/17: Man Utd 2:0 Chelsea
20/08/17: Spurs 1:2 Chelsea
25/11/17: Liverpool 1:1 Chelsea
03/01/18: Arsenal 2:2 Chelsea
v Arsenal: P2 W0 D1 L1 Pts: 1/6
v Liverpool: P2 W0 D2 L0 Pts: 2/6
v Man City: P1 W1 D0 L0 Pts: 3/3
v Man Utd: P1 W0 D0 L1 Pts: 0/3
v Spurs: P2 W1 D0 L1 Pts: 3/6
Pep Guardiola
10/09/16: Man Utd 1:2 Man City
02/10/16: Spurs 2:0 Man City
31/12/16: Liverpool 1:0 Man City
02/04/17: Arsenal 2:2 Man City
05/04/17: Chelsea 2:1 Man City
30/09/17: Chelsea 0:1 Man City
10/12/17: Man Utd 1:2 Man City
14/01/18: Liverpool 4:3 Man City
Away league records for managers at current clubs (except Wenger)
Mauricio Pochettino
29/09/14: Arsenal 1:1 Spurs
18/10/14: Man City 4:1 Spurs
03/12/14: Chelsea 3:0 Spurs
10/02/15: Liverpool 3:2 Spurs
15/03/15: Man Utd 3:0 Spurs
08/08/15: Man Utd 1:0 Spurs
08/11/15: Arsenal 1:1 Spurs
14/02/16: Man City 1:2 Spurs
02/04/16: Liverpool 1:1 Spurs
02/05/16: Chelsea 2:2 Spurs
06/11/16: Arsenal 1:1 Spurs
26/11/16: Chelsea 2:1 Spurs
11/12/16: Man Utd 1:0 Spurs
21/01/17: Man City 2:2 Spurs
11/02/17: Liverpool 2:0 Spurs
28/10/17: Man Utd 1:0 Spurs
18/11/17: Arsenal 2:0 Spurs
16/12/17: Man City 4:1 Spurs
v Arsenal: P4 W0 D3 L1 Pts: 3/12
v Chelsea: P3 W0 D1 L2 Pts: 1/9
v Liverpool: P3 W0 D1 L2 Pts: 1/9
v Man City: P4 W1 D1 L2 Pts: 4/12
v Man Utd: P4 W0 D0 L4 Pts: 0/12
Jose Mourinho
17/10/16: Liverpool 0:0 Man Utd
23/10/16: Chelsea 4:0 Man Utd
27/04/17: Man City 0:0 Man Utd
07/05/17: Arsenal 2:0 Man Utd
14/05/17: Spurs 2:1 Man Utd
14/10/17: Liverpool 0:0 Man Utd
05/11/17: Chelsea 1:0 Man Utd
02/12/17: Arsenal 1:3 Man Utd
31/01/18: Spurs 2:0 Man Utd
v Arsenal: P2 W1 D0 L1 Pts: 3/6
v Chelsea: P2 W0 D0 L2 Pts: 0/6
v Liverpool: P2 W0 D2 L0 Pts: 2/6
v Man City: P1 W0 D1 L0 Pts: 1/3
v Spurs: P2 W0 D0 L2 Pts: 0/6
Jurgen Klopp
17/10/15: Spurs 0:0 Liverpool
31/10/15: Chelsea 1:3 Liverpool
21/11/15: Man City 1:4 Liverpool
14/08/16: Arsenal 3:4 Liverpool
27/08/16: Spurs 1:1 Liverpool
16/09/16: Chelsea 1:2 Liverpool
15/01/17: Man Utd 1:1 Liverpool
19/03/17: Man City 1:1 Liverpool
09/09/17: Man City 5:0 Liverpool
22/10/17: Spurs 4:1 Liverpool
22/12/17: Arsenal 3:3 Liverpool
v Arsenal: P2 W1 D1 L0 Pts: 4/6
v Chelsea: P2 W2 D0 L0 Pts: 6/6
v Man City: P3 W1 D1 L1 Pts: 4/9
v Man Utd: P1 W0 D1 L0 Pts: 1/3
v Spurs: P3 W0 D2 L1 Pts: 2/9
Antonio Conte
24/09/16: Arsenal 3:0 Chelsea
03/12/16: Man City 1:3 Chelsea
04/01/17: Spurs 2:0 Chelsea
31/01/17: Liverpool 1:1 Chelsea
16/04/17: Man Utd 2:0 Chelsea
20/08/17: Spurs 1:2 Chelsea
25/11/17: Liverpool 1:1 Chelsea
03/01/18: Arsenal 2:2 Chelsea
v Arsenal: P2 W0 D1 L1 Pts: 1/6
v Liverpool: P2 W0 D2 L0 Pts: 2/6
v Man City: P1 W1 D0 L0 Pts: 3/3
v Man Utd: P1 W0 D0 L1 Pts: 0/3
v Spurs: P2 W1 D0 L1 Pts: 3/6
Pep Guardiola
10/09/16: Man Utd 1:2 Man City
02/10/16: Spurs 2:0 Man City
31/12/16: Liverpool 1:0 Man City
02/04/17: Arsenal 2:2 Man City
05/04/17: Chelsea 2:1 Man City
30/09/17: Chelsea 0:1 Man City
10/12/17: Man Utd 1:2 Man City
14/01/18: Liverpool 4:3 Man City
