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California independence? :lol:

sweet Jesus...

swallow the fecking bitter pill and move on. (or move to Canada)

Its time for the US citizens to work together, not the time to keep antagonizing.

The irony in this is bigly. A supporter of a candidate that have done nothing but being divisive in he´s political campaign, saying people should just work together like its just another day. It ain´t just another day and being democratic don´t mean you just sit down and accept whatever the most decide to vote on.
 
I have mixed feelings.

On the one hand, they were probably right in thinking Bernie would be a better candidate than Clinton, whereas I wrongly thought Clinton was the way to go. On the other hand, I saw a lot of Bernie fans say that Clinton was as bad as Trump, which is shitehawkery of the highest order and actually pisses me off more than hearing conservatives back Trump.

THIS!! and it is those exact same people who are complaining now. They made Hillary into some monster just so they could fanboi behind Bernie. I always liked Bernie but his core support was so annoying and still are.
 
California independence? :lol:

sweet Jesus...

swallow the fecking bitter pill and move on. (or move to Canada)

Its time for the US citizens to work together, not the time to keep antagonizing.
After Brexit, I was all for London going independent.

It's difficult to sit through these shit shows weeks on end, only to see your countrymen approve of the campaign that was full of nasty and divisive rhetoric.

Then have to listen to people on the other side of the world, totally unaffected by the outcome, tell you to stfu and come together...:wenger:
 
leicester winning PL
brexit
cubs winning world series
president trump

any more upsets this year anyone can think of?
Turkey causes cancer and early next year The Trolls win best picture Oscar.
 
BTW: Has Pierce Morgan suddenly become the 2nd most powerful person in the UK? Im being serious .... he has better personal ties to Trump than any other Brit!

 
As others have said I don't think he'll be as bad as the campaign has portrayed him to be, though I thought that before I realised how much more power the president has over Congress and the other associated bodies now than they used to.

A lot of his policies are completely unworkable and won't pass or will be completely watered down but when questioned about them he'll be able to deflect it somehow, he seemingly always does and gets away with it. I fully expect a whole bunch of his supporters to be quite literally up in arms about it though.

If nothing else it will be interesting to see how much of his business acumen and the type of negotiation style that entails he can apply to political issues. Given he's touted as being against the typical politician style establishment he'll be looking at things in a presumably different way to the norm, unless he just delegates everything to Pence and whoever else is below him.
 
A paragraph from the New Yorker sums up my thought on this exactly....
All along, Trump seemed like a twisted caricature of every rotten reflex of the radical right. That he has prevailed, that he has won this election, is a crushing blow to the spirit; it is an event that will likely cast the country into a period of economic, political, and social uncertainty that we cannot yet imagine. That the electorate has, in its plurality, decided to live in Trump’s world of vanity, hate, arrogance, untruth, and recklessness, his disdain for democratic norms, is a fact that will lead, inevitably, to all manner of national decline and suffering.
 


That's...aggressively bad.


Although at least the Dems will be aided by the fact that sentiment towards the sitting President generally favors the opposition during the mid terms. - see 1994, 2006, 2010 in particular.
 
BTW: Has Pierce Morgan suddenly become the 2nd most powerful person in the UK? Im being serious .... he has better personal ties to Trump than any other Brit!



fecking arsehole of a man. Went on for years about gun control, about how enough wasn't being done to curb it, criticised Obama for it, and now sucks the arse off a man who represents a party that spend their time drooling over the second amendment. Hypocritical, attention-seeking stain of shite.
 
Although at least the Dems will be aided by the fact that sentiment towards the sitting President generally favors the opposition during the mid terms. - see 1994, 2006, 2010 in particular.

I'm hoping that's the case. Concern may be though that if Trump isn't as batshit crazy as he positioned himself during the election (as you've suggested he may not be) people may actually be quite satisfied with some normalcy that comes during his Presidency against what was expected, and will continue to vote Republican. A strong Democrat response needed.
 
I'm hoping that's the case. Concern may be though that if Trump isn't as batshit crazy as he positioned himself during the election (as you've suggested he may not be) people may actually be quite satisfied with some normalcy that comes during his Presidency against what was expected, and will continue to vote Republican. A strong Democrat response needed.
If he goes through with his campaign promises of starting a trade war with China & Mexico, it'll be back to what Bill once said 'it's the economy, stupid'
 
On another note, I wonder what President Obama will fill his time doing during the Trump years? I can't imagine he'll retire to play golf full time, with the way things are.
 
Donald Trump has won the presidency – not because of the “white working class”, but because millions of middle-class and educated US citizens reached into their soul and found there, after all its conceits were stripped away, a grinning white male supremacist. Plus untapped reserves of misogyny.....

....If it is a sudden change in status to a once dominant group that drives electorates to the far right, as political scientist Roger Petersen has argued – then we have to start with the biggest change in status of all time. That is the reproductive shock that began 50 years ago, with the pill, which has put women into boardrooms, frontline combat roles and, more relevantly, control over who they have sex with, and when, and how.

The mass issuance of rape and death threats against women in public life, led by key figures on the alt-right media, is only the froth on the deep lake of bile nurtured by some men. You do not overturn 40,000 years of biologically rigged social control without a backlash. Before we agonise about the racial betrayal white America committed last night, we must understand the gender betrayal runs deeper.


https://www.theguardian.com/comment...isation-dead-white-supremacy-trump-neoliberal
 
Even if his negative effects are ameliorated by the structures around him (or even his lack of commitment to those positions), he's still brought some pretty horrendous positions into the mainstream of American politics. Who's to say the next guy who walks through the door Trump has opened won't actually be committed to those beliefs?
 
Not sure about that. He will expect Republican Congress and Senate to toe the line. I can also see him try to bully foreign countries. US after all is the country with most leverage on the world stage. Nothing in Trump's candidacy so far would have taught him to compromise on any issue.

Tough test ahead for American diplomats.

But that's the point isn't it? I don't claim to be an expert on US politics but from what I've read the congress & senat is > the president!
 
On another note, I wonder what President Obama will fill his time doing during the Trump years? I can't imagine he'll retire to play golf full time, with the way things are.
Could we swap out Theresa May with Obama?
 
Even if his negative effects are ameliorated by the structures around him (or even his lack of commitment to those positions), he's still brought some pretty horrendous positions into the mainstream of American politics. Who's to say the next guy who walks through the door Trump has opened won't actually be committed to those beliefs?
time to learn a thing or two. Don't give the president sweeping and dangerous powers (drones, surveillance, guantanamo, wars) just because you trust the current one.
 
I guess there's one thing I think will become particularly blatant and that's that it's one thing to get the general public to vote for you, but it's a completely another thing to get the congress & senat to back you!
 
Donald Trump has won the presidency – not because of the “white working class”, but because millions of middle-class and educated US citizens reached into their soul and found there, after all its conceits were stripped away, a grinning white male supremacist. Plus untapped reserves of misogyny.....

....If it is a sudden change in status to a once dominant group that drives electorates to the far right, as political scientist Roger Petersen has argued – then we have to start with the biggest change in status of all time. That is the reproductive shock that began 50 years ago, with the pill, which has put women into boardrooms, frontline combat roles and, more relevantly, control over who they have sex with, and when, and how.

The mass issuance of rape and death threats against women in public life, led by key figures on the alt-right media, is only the froth on the deep lake of bile nurtured by some men. You do not overturn 40,000 years of biologically rigged social control without a backlash. Before we agonise about the racial betrayal white America committed last night, we must understand the gender betrayal runs deeper.


https://www.theguardian.com/comment...isation-dead-white-supremacy-trump-neoliberal
I don't think most people consume far right propaganda though. Seems more likely that they looked deep into their souls and decided they'd rather pay less taxes than live in a tolerant society.
 
Donald Trump has won the presidency – not because of the “white working class”, but because millions of middle-class and educated US citizens reached into their soul and found there, after all its conceits were stripped away, a grinning white male supremacist. Plus untapped reserves of misogyny.....

....If it is a sudden change in status to a once dominant group that drives electorates to the far right, as political scientist Roger Petersen has argued – then we have to start with the biggest change in status of all time. That is the reproductive shock that began 50 years ago, with the pill, which has put women into boardrooms, frontline combat roles and, more relevantly, control over who they have sex with, and when, and how.

The mass issuance of rape and death threats against women in public life, led by key figures on the alt-right media, is only the froth on the deep lake of bile nurtured by some men. You do not overturn 40,000 years of biologically rigged social control without a backlash. Before we agonise about the racial betrayal white America committed last night, we must understand the gender betrayal runs deeper.


https://www.theguardian.com/comment...isation-dead-white-supremacy-trump-neoliberal
It's got nothing to do with the title in thread, but that article is bollocks!!!! The reason why people voted for Trump is because of their dissatisfaction with with the political establishment, and not because they want to less pay tax. It's the same reason why the Brits voted for Brexit!!
 
I'm hoping that's the case. Concern may be though that if Trump isn't as batshit crazy as he positioned himself during the election (as you've suggested he may not be) people may actually be quite satisfied with some normalcy that comes during his Presidency against what was expected, and will continue to vote Republican. A strong Democrat response needed.
Michele Obama
 
And Trump did call for revolution over the electoral college in 2012, in fairness.
 
I'm torn on this. I'm as disgruntled as anyone by this result, but I don't think people should discredit the electoral process. He won the Electoral College.

It's a bit of a joke of a system, to be fair. The fact that a party can have as much control as the Republicans will whilst coming 2nd is absurd - Trump's win ended up being by a comfortably margin too, unlike Gore-Bush which was very close.
 
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