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Pep is not a God but he is the best manager in the world in the last 13 years so...
The evidence is time bound to five years, so there's no proof Pep has done anything notable in the years before the cut off. As far as evidence dictates Pep has never won the CL in his life despite spending a BILLION (1,000,000,000!!!!!) pounds. He's basically done the same job in his career as Conte and Pellegrini, both of whom are just above average managers.

Come back when you have better evidence to present. Otherwise you're just embarrassing yourself.
 

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These are very beatable, if you close of the wings then there’s no where for them to get through, most of there goals against Norwich and against everyone they play Are all squared into the box. That’s the only way they can score. We will beat them again this season as they always leave space out wide for our rapid attackers to run into.
 

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The evidence is time bound to five years, so there's no proof Pep has done anything notable in the years before the cut off. As far as evidence dictates Pep has never won the CL in his life despite spending a BILLION (1,000,000,000!!!!!) pounds. He's basically done the same job in his career as Conte and Pellegrini, both of whom are just above average managers.

Come back when you have better evidence to present. Otherwise you're just embarrassing yourself.
Makes you wonder why you never hear specialists and top football players (or ex players) mention Conte or Pellegrini when talking about the best coaches the way they mention Pep, but i'm sure you know more than they do though right?
 

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Makes you wonder why you never hear specialists and top football players (or ex players) mention Conte or Pellegrini when talking about the best coaches the way they mention Pep, but i'm sure you know more than they do though right?
I have Jermaine Jenas, Alan Shearer and Danny fecking Murphy hooked into my veins for in depth analysis. :P
 

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Against Norwich, let's keep that in mind

They still need a reliable scorer in tougher games. Unless they get Kane and/or Jesus/Sterling become that... I'm sticking with my prediction of 3rd in the league for them.
How did they win it last season without one? Better to have no striker than a donkey! (Not naming names…)
 

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Makes you wonder why you never hear specialists and top football players (or ex players) mention Conte or Pellegrini when talking about the best coaches the way they mention Pep, but i'm sure you know more than they do though right?
He's taking the pee out of the courts not admitting evidence beyond a certain time frame regarding Man City's dubious accounts.
 

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It’s definitely not a minority view and I’m also considering the wider views outside of this forum particularly by pundits. I think it’s easy to look at the champions league win and equate that to league success but it doesn’t always work that way in reality.
You said this forum though. I think what you're arguing against is definitely a minority view on this forum. I kind of agree that general media have talked a lot about Lukaku being Chelsea's missing piece and therefore making Chelsea title favourites, and it's fair enough that you disagree with that but they're just opinions so meh. I haven't really seen much evidence of this huge Chelsea love in on this forum tough.
 

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Clearly a great manager but he’s spend far more than any other manager he’s competed against. That just makes his achievements tarnished. I would still have Klopp over him personally.

Pep’s trophy record gets bolstered because his second team is a top 4 side. So League Cup and FA cup games when he’s playing League Two sides he can rest his best players whilst starting a team worth over £300m, most other clubs fully rotate with youngsters. This rests his best 11 for the league whilst giving him a much bigger advantage in the cup games.

He’s dominated the league and in Europe he’s made tactical mistakes which has got City knocked out. It’s only a matter of time before they win it though.
 

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These are very beatable, if you close of the wings then there’s no where for them to get through, most of there goals against Norwich and against everyone they play Are all squared into the box. That’s the only way they can score. We will beat them again this season as they always leave space out wide for our rapid attackers to run into.
Yesterday they didn’t have De Bryune who adds a lot of creativity. I agree they are beatable though. The top 4 all look strong this season. No team
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Only 1 manager is anywhere close to him.
Look at what he's spent. Klopp is a better manager and Tuchel has his number too. This all in less time for them to settle into England.
 

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The evidence is time bound to five years, so there's no proof Pep has done anything notable in the years before the cut off. As far as evidence dictates Pep has never won the CL in his life despite spending a BILLION (1,000,000,000!!!!!) pounds. He's basically done the same job in his career as Conte and Pellegrini, both of whom are just above average managers.

Come back when you have better evidence to present. Otherwise you're just embarrassing yourself.
Funny you are mentionig Antonio Conte who has never managed Manchester City . Certain Roberto Mancini did. Yeah, the same guy who just won the Euros with Italy. Guess what? Pep's record at City is better than his. Its better than Pellegrini's also. Actually Pep Guardiola is the most successful manager in Manchester City's history already, regardless if he wins or not the CL till the rest of his time is up there. Try harder next time.
 

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Funny you are mentionig Antonio Conte who has never managed Manchester City . Certain Roberto Mancini did. Yeah, the same guy who just won the Euros with Italy. Guess what? Pep's record at City is better than his. Its better than Pellegrini's also. Actually Pep Guardiola is the most successful manager in Manchester City's history already, regardless if he wins or not the CL till the rest of his time is up there. Try harder next time.
Me culpa. But I guess you understood my point. Pep has achieved more than two above average managers at City. Spending that billion. Did you forget to mention that again?
 

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Look at what he's spent. Klopp is a better manager and Tuchel has his number too. This all in less time for them to settle into England.
It's not they also faced him in Germany right?
You can say that Pep has never coached a mid table team, but the opposite goes for Klopp in the sense that we don't know how he'll fair in a team that demands result and expansive football immediately.

If we're going by the logic that Tuchel has Pep's number, making him better than Pep, does that mean that Ole is also better than Pep?
 

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It's not they also faced him in Germany right?
You can say that Pep has never coached a mid table team, but the opposite goes for Klopp in the sense that we don't know how he'll fair in a team that demands result and expansive football immediately.

If we're going by the logic that Tuchel has Pep's number, making him better than Pep, does that mean that Ole is also better than Pep?
Tuchel has also won a champions league with his club in the Premier League in far less time. And what Klopp did with Dortmund was nothing short of phenomenal. Pep isn't capable of pioneering a team with limited budget. He needs stars in every single position for his system to work. He's an inferior coach in that sense, because he's only competent in very specific circumstances.
 

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Tuchel has also won a champions league with his club in the Premier League in far less time. And what Klopp did with Dortmund was nothing short of phenomenal. Pep isn't capable of pioneering a team with limited budget. He needs stars in every single position for his system to work. He's an inferior coach in that sense, because he's only competent in very specific circumstances.
So is Klopp (see Dortmund and Liverpool projects) so far.
Pep's first season as a professional coach when he won everything possible (with a team that won nothing the 2 previous seasons and ended 19 points behind Madrid), how much did he spend again ? So you're wrong about him never been able to win with limited budget.

Di Matteo also won the CL with Chelsea in far less time, i guess he's a superior coach to Pep too ?
 

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How did they win it last season without one? Better to have no striker than a donkey! (Not naming names…)
They had no serious challengers last year. This year they have Chelsea and us and Liverpool will (probably) be better.
 

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So is Klopp (see Dortmund and Liverpool projects) so far.
Klopp took Mainz from fighting relegation to top 4 within 1 season. He then went to Dortmund when they were 13th and converted them to league champions.
Pep on the other hand has always had generational talent or walked in to clubs who were already title leaders. Please, lets not compare Pep's challenges to Klopp's.
Pep's first season as a professional coach when he won everything possible (with a team that won nothing the 2 previous seasons and ended 19 points behind Madrid), how much did he spend again ? So you're wrong about him never been able to win with limited budget.
He did have generational talent but there's no doubting his achievement then, which was over 10 years ago now. That's not relevant when we're talking about his chops here and nor is it an achievement as impressive as what Klopp has done. Also since then Pep took a treble winning Bayern and regressed them in Europe. He took over City who were already Champions, spent what a billion(?) and achieved no more than the manager before him.
Di Matteo also won the CL with Chelsea in far less time, i guess he's a superior coach to Pep too ?
If Di Matteo had foundations that were credible, i.e. won the Bundasliga against the odds and had the win % Tuchel has had already in the EPL then sure, go ahead and compare the two. But Tuchel has actually done all that, and then when backed with a class side, has had Pep's number since. His impact with Chelsea is arguably just as impressive as Pep's with City on balance, and he's hardly been there enough time to buy a house.

So yeah, when you say there's only 1 manager close to him, I call BS. I think even if you gave Ancelotti 1bn to spend on a side that were already Champions when he would take over, he'd go on to win a couple titles and a cup. I reckon Conte could do it too, and Allegri. Klopp's obviously done it on a fraction of the budget. Tuchel can do it, and its quite funny he won the Champions League with less, beating Pep in the final to do it whilst holding a very impressive win % since he came to the league. Heck Ole after 1bn spend would probably win a couple of leagues, I'd even go that far. You're looking at £50m a pop at full backs, £50-60m squad option attackers and then a few world class inherited talent. Pep's a very very good manager, but to say only 1 manager is close to him is BS.
 
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Klopp took Mainz from fighting relegation to top 4 within 1 season. He then went to Dortmund when they were 13th and converted them to league champions.
Pep on the other hand has always had generational talent or walked in to clubs who were already title leaders. Please, lets not compare Pep's challenges to Klopp's.
Klopp never took Mainz to top 4 in Bundesliga, where does that information come from? That's not undermining what he did there as a coach but what Pep did with Barca B is comparable.
It took him 3 seasons to win with Dortmund and 4 with Liverpool. But that's precisely the point i've been making about Klopp, he prefers projects where he isn't expected to deliver immediately and where he has time to build the team and a style of play.
Pep is expected to not only win titles, but most especially get his teams to play a certain brand of football, which is why big clubs want him, not just because they want to win.


He did have generational talent but there's no doubting his achievement then, which was over 10 years ago now. That's not relevant when we're talking about his chops here and nor is it an achievement as impressive as what Klopp has done. Also since then Pep took a treble winning Bayern and regressed them in Europe. He took over City who were already Champions, spent what a billion(?) and achieved no more than the manager before him.
Be it 10 years ago or 20, the fact is that he did it. And what he did there gave him the reputation that made him sort after by every big club. Like for every job, he isn't going to remain at the bottom in order to prove a point to some people, what he did at Barca especially in his first year of coaching, meant that hee was only going to keep moving higher up.
How many clubs have retained their CL apart from Madrid, so technically, every club that wins it regresses the next season. I mean he only got them to the semi finals 3x.
As for his City career, well all you have to do is compare the number of titles he's won to that of the coaches that were there before him and the number of records he broke. He definitely achieved way more than they did.
You may not like Pep, but try to be honest in your assessments.

If Di Matteo had foundations that were credible, i.e. won the Bundasliga against the odds and had the win % Tuchel has had already in the EPL then sure, go ahead and compare the two. But Tuchel has actually done all that, and then when backed with a class side, has had Pep's number since. His impact with Chelsea is arguably just as impressive as Pep's with City on balance, and he's hardly been there enough time to buy a house.

So yeah, when you say there's only 1 manager close to him, I call BS. I think even if you gave Ancelotti 1bn to spend on a side that were already Champions when he would take over, he'd go on to win a couple titles and a cup. I reckon Conte could do it too, and Allegri. Klopp's obviously done it on a fraction of the budget. Tuchel can do it, and its quite funny he won the Champions League with less, beating Pep in the final to do it whilst holding a very impressive win % since he came to the league. Heck Ole after 1bn spend would probably win a couple of leagues, I'd even go that far. You're looking at £50m a pop at full backs, £50-60m squad option attackers and then a few world class inherited talent. Pep's a very very good manager, but to say only 1 manager is close to him is BS.
You must be confusing me with someone else.
With that been said, there's a reason Pep is considered better than all those coaches you mentioned in football world, it's not because he wins titles (all those coaches do too, maybe not as much), but because of the impact he's had in the way the game is played.
I mean all you need to do is listen to the way the players he's coached (some being amongst the greatest players ever in the positions) talk about him as a coach, even those that hate him as a person.
I'm pretty sure their opinions are worth way more than yours or mine or that of any other armchair expert on this topic.
 

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Klopp never took Mainz to top 4 in Bundesliga, where does that information come from? That's not undermining what he did there as a coach but what Pep did with Barca B is comparable.
It took him 3 seasons to win with Dortmund and 4 with Liverpool. But that's precisely the point i've been making about Klopp, he prefers projects where he isn't expected to deliver immediately and where he has time to build the team and a style of play.
Sorry, the achievement referenced was in his early Mainz career when they were in the 2nd division. But nonetheless he took them to great heights during his time. Didn't he also join Dortmund when they were 13th? And he improved them over time, won the Super cup, took them to top 4, then won the league, Champions League finals etc. with that Dortmund side is far more impressive. It's a very strong side but not glistening with talent all around the park, and that's what I really enjoy about such managers.

Pep needs a big chequebook to achieve big things in my opinion. I still backed Pep as the best around up until Klopp walked in and with a fraction spent, just annihilated City in that year. Then Tuchel coming in, that strong win %, having Pep's number something like 3 games in a row? Maybe it'll change but no chance is Pep in some sort of unparalleled territory, is my point.
Pep is expected to not only win titles, but most especially get his teams to play a certain brand of football, which is why big clubs want him, not just because they want to win.
It's not like Tuchel or Klopp won their leagues with boring football.
Be it 10 years ago or 20, the fact is that he did it. And what he did there gave him the reputation that made him sort after by every big club. Like for every job, he isn't going to remain at the bottom in order to prove a point to some people, what he did at Barca especially in his first year of coaching, meant that hee was only going to keep moving higher up.
How many clubs have retained their CL apart from Madrid, so technically, every club that wins it regresses the next season. I mean he only got them to the semi finals 3x.
You probably need to go to the point I initially refuted to know why this is besides the point.

As for his City career, well all you have to do is compare the number of titles he's won to that of the coaches that were there before him and the number of records he broke. He definitely achieved way more than they did.
You may not like Pep, but try to be honest in your assessments.
I am honest in my assessment. Pep is a very good manager, he's spent more than anyone before him and he's won a bit more but not the prized CL. He's a very good manager who depends on a cheque-book. That's not an unfair evaluation. The difference between Pep and Pelligrini by way of honours is a few EFL Cups, an FA Cup and a Premier League. Meaty, sure. But I think Pep is now in his 4th or 5th year whereas Pelligrini had 2.5 years (the last 0.5 I don't count because Pep was announced and the tires came off that year). Pep also spent a feck ton more to improve the squad beyond what Pelligrini had. Like a ridiculous amount.

You must be confusing me with someone else.
Yep - apologies, my initial post was a reply to this:
Only 1 manager is anywhere close to him.
With that been said, there's a reason Pep is considered better than all those coaches you mentioned in football world, it's not because he wins titles (all those coaches do too, maybe not as much), but because of the impact he's had in the way the game is played.
I mean all you need to do is listen to the way the players he's coached (some being amongst the greatest players ever in the positions) talk about him as a coach, even those that hate him as a person.
I'm pretty sure their opinions are worth way more than yours or mine or that of any other armchair expert on this topic.
Pep is not superior to Klopp. As far as "peak" Pep goes, his achievement's don't touch "peak" Mourinho either. Tuchel we'll see how he develops in the PL, but Pep is far from untouchable as a manager.
 

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Basically if you want a coach that can slowly build a team and that needs atleast 3-4 seasons minimum to get his team to not only win but play an intense brand of football, then Klopp is your guy.
But if you want a coach that can get your team winning while playing an expansive style of football by his 2nd season (if not the first), then Pep is your guy.

At Barcelona in his first season and without spending much, he got them to play his brand of football while winning everything possible. Every talk about generational talents is purely hindsight and nothing more.
 

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Basically if you want a coach that can slowly build a team and that needs atleast 3-4 seasons minimum to get his team to not only win but play an intense brand of football, then Klopp is your guy.
But if you want a coach that can get your team winning while playing an expansive style of football by his 2nd season (if not the first), then Pep is your guy.

At Barcelona in his first season and without spending much, he got them to play his brand of football while winning everything possible. Every talk about generational talents is purely hindsight and nothing more.
Spain began its reign as the strongest national team in the world just as Guardiola took over at Barcelona, winning Euro 2008 in June 2008.
 

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Spain began its reign as the strongest national team in the world just as Guardiola took over at Barcelona, winning Euro 2008 in June 2008.
And? Xavi and Iniesta were the only Barca players in that squad (and Iniesta didn't begin the competition as a starter), also Spain in 2008 played a different style of football than the one Pep will get his Barca team to play.

And anytime a NT wins a competition, does that mean that some or most of the players will always go on to become generational talents? A lot of players never reach their full potential.

Like i said, hindsight is always 20/20. So all the talk about Pep having generational talents when he was appointed at Barcelona is purely hindsight. They were already there before he was appointed and weren't setting the world on fire.
 

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And? Xavi and Iniesta were the only Barca players in that squad (and Iniesta didn't begin the competition as a starter), also Spain in 2008 played a different style of football than the one Pep will get his Barca team to play.

And anytime a NT wins a competition, does that mean that some or most of the players will always go on to become generational talents? A lot of players never reach their full potential.

Like i said, hindsight is always 20/20. So all the talk about Pep having generational talents when he was appointed at Barcelona is purely hindsight. They were already there before he was appointed and weren't setting the world on fire.
Xavi was about to be shipped off by Rijkaard at Barcelona before Pep took over

Everyone now talks like Xavi and Iniesta was a sure thing before Pep.

The idea of playing Messi as a false 9 vs playing him as a winger was also novel. The numbers Messi put up in those 4 yrs with Pep I think beats what he did pre and post Pep. Messi and Barcelona hit new highs under Pep like they never did before and after him
 

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But if you want a coach that can get your team winning while playing an expansive style of football by his 2nd season (if not the first), then Pep is your guy.
If true, everybody would prefer Pep over Klopp, because everybody prefers quick results and trophies.
You need to add and he needs a top team plus a huge budget to achieve this.
 

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If true, everybody would prefer Pep over Klopp, because everybody prefers quick results and trophies.
You need to add and he needs a top team plus a huge budget to achieve this.
Conveniently forgetting his first season at Barcelona? Or are you going to use that argument of generational talents again?
 

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Erm...why are they putting up statues of players who are still playing? Why are they even putting up statues?

Best, Law and Charlton are world renowned. They were once at the very top of the tree, the best players in the world. European/World Cup winners.

Their statue was unveiled 40 years to the day we lifted the 1968 European cup. That is when you unveil a statue. To remember and commemorate greatness.

Staying at the same club on 200k per week, isn't greatness. It isn't worthy of a statue. You cannot create a history in the present.

Where's Kinkladze's statue? Or Mike Sheron?

Why does this look nothing like David Silva?



I have added a picture of David Silva, just incase anyone forgot what he looked like, sorry, still looks like. He plays for Real Sociedad. We played against him a few months back. Now he has a statue in Manchester, that looks like a white walker. It actually looks like anyone other than David Silva!

Well done to City, you total cringe muppets.

 

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I would have been a bit worried if they'd got Kane but I don't think this side is as good or has as much leadership as their 17-18 side. I do wonder if they'll add another player before the window ends.