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That's a bit of a roundabout way of looking at thingsOr a cyclical view would be the others have realised someone is about to release one and they need to rush theirs so they can get a big slice of the financial pie too!
That's a bit of a roundabout way of looking at thingsOr a cyclical view would be the others have realised someone is about to release one and they need to rush theirs so they can get a big slice of the financial pie too!
You'll probably find if you pick any 10m people or maybe any in the demographic who will get the initial vaccine that is true.The problems with these stats is there is nothing to suggest these people wouldn’t have died or had these problems without the vaccine either.
That's the point - that's what will happen without covid and without a vaccine to an average group of 10m people in the US. That just normal life. But those normal deaths/illnesses will get used as ammo on Facebook and Twitter etc by the antivaxers and conspiracy theorists.The problems with these stats is there is nothing to suggest these people wouldn’t have died or had these problems without the vaccine either.
Goes without saying that the counter-anecdotes about friends mums stroking out a week after catching covid won’t get as much traction (despite there being a more plausible cause and effect in the latter scenario)That's the point - that's what will happen without covid and without a vaccine to an average group of 10m people in the US. That just normal life. But those normal deaths/illnesses will get used as ammo on Facebook and Twitter etc by the antivaxers and conspiracy theorists.
I'm just reminding people about the sheer number of "my friend's mum, who's a nurse in her fifties had a stroke a week after taking the vaccine," stories we're going to see.
Monitoring will be close, the statisticians will be watching intently.
Makes you think about where society could really be if there was cooperation on more thingsFantastic news and a huge achievement to get a vaccine out this year. Human beings aren't so bad when we work together towards a singular goal. Let the Nobel prizes flow!
Honestly, can we not put this much effort into eradicating cancer etc now when the push is there?Fantastic news and a huge achievement to get a vaccine out this year. Human beings aren't so bad when we work together towards a singular goal. Let the Nobel prizes flow!
Any idea when they anticipate the first phase will end?Most of us will have to wait quite a while!
No-one publicly truly knows yet timetable of how many vaccines UK has access to.Any idea when they anticipate the first phase will end?
It depends...Any idea when they anticipate the first phase will end?
Sorry I misunderstood your initial post.That's the point - that's what will happen without covid and without a vaccine to an average group of 10m people in the US. That just normal life. But those normal deaths/illnesses will get used as ammo on Facebook and Twitter etc by the antivaxers and conspiracy theorists.
I'm just reminding people about the sheer number of "my friend's mum, who's a nurse in her fifties had a stroke a week after taking the vaccine," stories we're going to see.
Monitoring will be close, the statisticians will be watching intently.
So does the vaccine stop you catching the virus and stops you then passing it on or does it just prevent you from being really ill.With regards to this poll I suppose it depends on what the vaccine does. If it stops you carrying and spreading to others, of course I’d get it as soon as possible just so I could visit family and protect vulnerable.
if the vaccine only stops me getting too ill but I still catch the virus and able to carry and pass it, I don’t see much point in rushing to get it.
I’ll wait until they are actually released with info instead of guessing and trying to make head or tail of all the gossip
It's an unknown at the moment, but the Phase3 studies are being extended to monitor that, as well as looking at how long the protection lasts. It's also something that is relatively easy to test in these initial groups (healthcare workers and carehome residents/staff) where you can use weekly routine testing.So does the vaccine stop you catching the virus and stops you then passing it on or does it just prevent you from being really ill.
If it is the latter then it is great for the older and vulnerable but for younger folk it would be fairly pointless. Surely there will be clear explanation of what protection it gives before rolling it out as it would be quite dangerous initially if it just stopped you being really ill but were still contagious as vaccinated people that have been extra careful staying in and such would no doubt drop their guard.
According to this BBC article they don’t know yet.So does the vaccine stop you catching the virus and stops you then passing it on or does it just prevent you from being really ill.
If it is the latter then it is great for the older and vulnerable but for younger folk it would be fairly pointless. Surely there will be clear explanation of what protection it gives before rolling it out as it would be quite dangerous initially if it just stopped you being really ill but were still contagious as vaccinated people that have been extra careful staying in and such would no doubt drop their guard.
Manchester's first mass vaccination centre is expected to be on the Etihad campusWe'll see throughout the country leisure centres converted into mass vaccination centres, not sure where they'll get staff form to operate there
Maybe army, maybe health professionals. Leicester racecourse near where I live is being set up
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/...cester-racecourse-being-prepped-covid-4755021
The specifications for this vaccination programme as a direct enhanced service is logistically too difficult for primary care to set up in the short term from what I've seen so I don't think many GPs will be signing up to deliver this, although primary care is well placed usually to do it but needs more time.
I'm not too personally worried about anti-vaxx sentiment, the demographic most worried about (over 65s, comorbidities) have all been telling me during their sessions for flu jabs that they'll trust the process and get the vaccine as soon as. Think hesitancy might be prevalent among the young but in the longer run many of those who have adopted vaccine hesitancy as like a counter-cultural way of thinking/personality trait will give in and get it especially with pressures from private companies for needing it. I think hardcore anti-vaxxers still make up a small, if loud proportion. There is work to be done to advocate for it to the non-crazies though
At least the Etihad will finally fill up I suppose.Manchester's first mass vaccination centre is expected to be on the Etihad campus
Salford Royal Hospital are expected to be the first Manchester centre to kick off next week - targeted at healthcare staff initially.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...etihad-covid-mass-vaccination-centre-19375049
On the antivaxxer front. I think the system will have more demand than supply for the first few months. One worry I have are that some groups at high risk will be amongst those who don't take the "first appointment offered" approach - and that needs some real targeted community work. The other worry is that we have to get people back for Jab #2, which may prove a bigger problem than Jab #1. Particularly if we're using these mass vaccination centres (miles away!) rather than local services. The follow-up on missed appointments will need to be really slick.
Be more if it was at StockportAt least the Etihad will finally fill up I suppose.
Don't know, how soon can you find one?INJECT ME IN THE EYE SLUTS
Not read the articles as I’m working..
When would a fit and healthy 30 year old who isn’t a key worker be able to be vaccinated?
Fantastic news and a huge achievement to get a vaccine out this year. Human beings aren't so bad when we work together towards a singular goal. Let the Nobel prizes flow!
Makes you think about where society could really be if there was cooperation on more things
Just shows that when the collaboration and funding is there, the speed of scientific advances can be powerful.Honestly, can we not put this much effort into eradicating cancer etc now when the push is there?
Brexit festival but we slip it in everyone's drink.Feck the Brexit festival we should have a week long bank holiday when this gets rolled out to the general population.
- To aid in halting the spread of the virus and participate in the fight against it.Can someone explain to me why you would take the vaccine if you were under 40, assuming everyone that is over 40 and also those who are compromised do so?
When do you expect Canada to have it? I don't see the masses in the UK having it any time soon.I'm in Canada but have a British passport. Could fly back to get it.
Sounds like Canada won't have it for a while.
If we accept those under 40 are at a very low risk I still don't know that these hold up.- To aid in halting the spread of the virus and participate in the fight against it.
- Because we don’t know how long anyone has immunity.
- To protect friends and family members.
- To eliminate the chance that you are one of the fatalities under 40 (they do happen)
- To help provide better statistics and improve the technology and medicine behind vaccines
- To avoid health difficulties associated with the virus.
Many, many reasons to be honest.
The vaccine will be safer than the virus.If we accept those under 40 are at a very low risk I still don't know that these hold up.
Protect family & friends? - They're vaccinated.
Avoid health difficulties - Very slim risk (All vaccines carry SOME risk)
Halting of the spread - Numbers are already lowering, if all those previously mentioned are vaccinated then that halts the spread. Let alone those already previously infected.
Risk of fatality under 40 - VERY VERY VERY few without comorbidities have died from Covid.
To protect those who are at risk who might catch it from you. Not everybody can be vaccinated, and older people generally don't respond as well to vaccines anyway. The sooner everybody is vaccinated the sooner life gets back to normal.Can someone explain to me why you would take the vaccine if you were under 40, assuming everyone that is over 40 and also those who are compromised do so?
Exactly this. Humans are terrible at assessing risk.The vaccine will be safer than the virus.
It depends. If it stops people passing the virus on, then it makes a big impact.If we accept those under 40 are at a very low risk I still don't know that these hold up.
Protect family & friends? - They're vaccinated.
Avoid health difficulties - Very slim risk (All vaccines carry SOME risk)
Halting of the spread - Numbers are already lowering, if all those previously mentioned are vaccinated then that halts the spread. Let alone those already previously infected.
Risk of fatality under 40 - VERY VERY VERY few without comorbidities have died from Covid.