Thiago Alcantara | Signed for Bayern Munich

[fishfingers15]

It's thiagOn!!

Well?

 

[Sandikan]

"Barca are annoyed by the player and want him to clarify his future"
" Thiago has 10 days to decide, before preseason starts."
"Tito will not pressurise him. He will trust Sergi Roberto or a new signing if needed"

Oh for bleedin rucks sake....all of the stuff last night made it actually feel close

 

[Kevin]

Sport: yesterday everything was agreed, today we are back to square one.

 

[OnlyTwoDaSilvas]

It's just a new, slightly different situation every day, to fill the silence. He's not returned to the club for pre-season yet, so he's technically still on 'holiday' or whatever, wherever he is. Hunter's not said much on him the past few days either.

 

[Bestie07]

Let's see if Moyes talk about this in today's press conference. The silence from all the parties involved is deafening considering the amount and length of media speculation surrounding this deal.

 

[SATA]

Sorry to rain on your parade, but seems like it will just be an introduction of David Moyes to United press conference only, nothing about transfers

Marcelo Lopez
‏@Marcelo_Lopez84
As far as I am aware, no medical is taking place tomorrow. Garay is not joining. Thiago is not flying in tomorrow

 

[pocco]

Fake twitter account. He's probably right on this one, though.

 

[TheBest]

I will watch all the youtube videos posted in this thread if he signs . I refuse to immerse myself in this till then.

 

[adam118]

Sorry to rain on your parade, but seems like it will just be an introduction of David Moyes to United press conference only, nothing about transfers

Marcelo Lopez
‏@Marcelo_Lopez84
As far as I am aware, no medical is taking place tomorrow. Garay is not joining. Thiago is not flying in tomorrow

A Spanish insider who only tweets in English and only about Manchester United, who claimed that we would announce the deal last week. Safe to say he is another twitter attention seeker.

 

[LR7]

TITO IS NOT INTENDED TO SPEAK WITH HIM BACK

THIAGO ULTIMATUM​

Mazinho, his father, passed yesterday by the offices, but only for ceremonial signing of the renewal of Rafinha

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Barca midfielder has sort of leftovers to triumph over Barca, but you must choose | Photo: Josep Maria Arolas

Ivan San Antonio​

| 07.05.2013 | 04:05 h.​

It's supposed to be, but he has not said. Publicly or to the club. So he may not go. Or might. It is this uncertainty the most annoying the club, who need and, in fact, deserves a response ...Especially if the answer is to leave the Nou Camp because, in that case, we must find an alternative for the minutes that Thiago Alcantara would have had.

Conditioned player in his day the solution to the dilemma of the European U21 outcome. The tournament ended on June 18, but has not yet leafless Thiago Daisy. And time is running out. There are exactly ten days for the club to start the season and midfielder still must meet with their peers to train. In addition, two theoretical suitors, which is supposed to bid for him, Manchester United and Bayern Munich are already training. And if that were not enough, the ace in the hole with the player that has the clause of 18 million euros, will be 90 on August 1. So, with all these conditions, Thiago Alcantara should start considering putting an end to the saga. And not only for him, also, but the club who has seen him grow to become one of the continent's best under-21 players.

In the club walk to fly behind the ear, somewhat annoying because they understand that the player, if you decide finally leave, should, at least, show your intentions. Anyway, the sports management has provided the two possibilities: if he stays, as usual, if you will, will implement the plan B. In the second case, the role of Sergi Roberto would be important to very important. Tito Vilanova, in that sense, has great confidence in Reus and if Thiago can not count, will give his minutes. But there is also the possibility reinforced by a midfielder with more experience. Sounds Gundogan, Borussia Dortmund.
The older of the Alcantara's wants more minutes, but that is something that the coach can not guarantee. Tito can not commit nor Xavi, which is saying something. It is understood that Xavi is a permanent fixture, but not if it would be reasonable guarantee ownership forever. Thiago and Vilanova spoke at the time to explain that trusts him, who has played a lot this season and will do so again next time, but nothing more. And as I've said what I had to say on the subject, will not happen again. Now the ball is on the roof of the midfielder.

His father, Mazinho, was yesterday in the offices of the club, but not to talk about Thiago, but to attend the signing of the renewal of Rafinha, his other son footballer.Former world champion with Brazil just said "we have not talked about it" at the exit of the club.It was the day, but should be soon.Not to entrench a situation that benefits no one, neither the team nor the player himself, whose future should be clear.The club understands that the player has two significant deals, although does not know officially.One would be that of Bayern Munich, whose coach, Pep Guardiola, would be the main guarantor of Thiago Alcantara.Instead, the second proposal comes from England.Specifically, Manchester United, whose leaders would be the main responsible of interest.Their coach, David Moyes, who seems to not bid more for it.Although today will offer a press conference and could talk about it.A Thiago time runs out and the club need answers. http://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/ultimatum-thiago-2467149&usg=ALkJrhjtHrUCzlXBL68jGkPRLXmR82Wgpg

So this is the Sport article, they seem to be getting more impatient than the Cafe. Basically saying that Barcelona deserve to know what Thiago's decision is (in the event that they need to find a replacement) but also emphasising that Tito would not give Thiago any more reassurances or guarantees about playing time.

There is another article that suggests that We might have to pay 40m Euros because Barcelona might not want to compromise with us http://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/clausula-rescision-thiago-podria-costar40-millones-2466829&usg=ALkJrhhNoTUJP15E0wHIei61hsnKlDo0rA

 

[OnlyTwoDaSilvas]

A Spanish insider who only tweets in English and only about Manchester United, who claimed that we would announce the deal last week. Safe to say he is another twitter attention seeker.

Yeah! What does he know?!

Thiago will burst out down a runway to his own entrance music during Moyes' presser, like in wrestling when someone is getting interrupted.

 

[charleysurf]

The Bayern Munich link still makes a lot of sense.

 

[LR7]

Keep the suspense over the future Thiago

• The presence of Mazinho, his father, in the offices did not say anything and the club still without news

javier Gascón| Barcelona 05/07/2013 8:28

Expectation in the offices of FC Barcelona at the Camp Nou. 18 hours. Mazinho arrives physically accompanied his young son, Rafinha, and mentally by his eldest son, Thiago.

The first yesterday signed a new contract until 2016, but the future of the second is unknown due to the attractive buyout clause of 18 million euros, with fiscal nuances, which will be 90 million on August 1 if no one moves on .
And one of the possibilities offered by the morbid Mazinho exploited later was that the 'day of Rafinha' to tell the club something about the 'month of Thiago'. But in the end logic prevailed paternal. A respect for Rafinha, who has earned it. And it increases the suspense with Thiago.
"I came for Rafinha, not the day of Thiago" simply repeated over and over again on the way to his office vehicle while being pursued by a cloud of representative media, indicating that each day grows passing interest in what will happen to a player of such quality as future.
Mazinho not lie. At 1820 hours the vehicle and walked away from the Camp Nou. There was no time to talk about anything but the signing of Rafinha. Furthermore, in the presence of Gines Carvajal, left-sided midfielder representative present and signed on the spot, would not make sense that they were the 'case Thiago', whose agent is Pere Guardiola.

In offices, in the absence of the president, Sandro Rosell, also attended the sports vice president, Josep Maria Bartomeu, sporting director Andoni Zubizarreta and the director of football, Raul Sanllehí.
In any case the lack of news about Thiago is becoming the main news. Mazinho not the only one who brings light, neither has shown signs of life the said Pere Guardiola nor called any club to advance their intentions.
Although they would not have to do it, enough money condepositar required in the LFP of respect among the great footballing institutions are expected this kind of details.

Tito Vilanova and Thiago informed at the time that he was a major player, but that since it had to win. Xavi has come to call to ask for patience and within the template there is a perception that Thiago is going to play a lot if you are just staying.
Taxation may also be scaring the suitors. Although a great club Manchester United and Bayern, for example, 18 million ceded the player, he would have to pay tax on that money.
Although the club would never get more than 18, the buying club income tax withholding you would assume that the amount was fired almost at 30. If a transfer is agreed, yes, just add the VAT.

http://www.mundodeportivo.com/20130705/fc-barcelona/sigue-suspense-futuro-thiago-alcantara_54377248106.html#ixzz2Y9XWqoJv

And this from Mundo Deportivo basically saying that the lack of news is actually becoming the news. Mazino went to the Barcelona offices yesterday to sort out Raffinha's contract extension and refused to talk about Thiago, which is increasing the suspense. Again it mentions the tax issue which may be something Barcelona is leaking out to these papers perhaps?

Also in MD:

Thiago and Rafinha: Two brothers, two worlds

• No share selection, sports firm or agent

Thiago Alcantara, 22 years since April, and Rafa Alcantara, 20 since February, they love and admire dearly. They are such good friends like brothers, something that does not always happen in all families.

And possibly the secret of such good value is that everyone has shown to have a personality that has respected the other. Soccer-speaking only share a passion for the ball with Barcelona shirt, but other issues everyone goes by. Even Thiago is right and Rafinha, left-handed.

Most striking is that Thiago was born in Bari (Italy) due to his father's sporting career, have chosen the Spanish and Rafinha, natural de Sao Paulo (Brazil), Brazil. The youngest of the Alcantara child spent more years there and scored more. But there is more.
Thiago is a firm of Nike while Rafinha was decided by Adidas. And when will negotiate with the club, the club can not 'kill two birds with one stone' because their agents are just different: Pere Guardiola, in the case of Thiago, and Gines Carvajal, in Rafinha.

http://www.mundodeportivo.com/20130705/fc-barcelona/thiago-rafinha-dos-hermanos-dos-mundos_54377248139.html#ixzz2Y9ZV7pY1

A hint that they don't think Thiago will make the same decision as Rafinha?

 

[iSparky]

So today is the day then, 11am Cider yeah?

 

[Dante]

"I love both of you equally... but I'm selling my restaurant in Barcelona to be closer to your older brother"

 

[SATA]

A Spanish insider who only tweets in English and only about Manchester United, who claimed that we would announce the deal last week. Safe to say he is another twitter attention seeker.

I'm sold

 

[KM]

Sorry to rain on your parade, but seems like it will just be an introduction of David Moyes to United press conference only, nothing about transfers

Marcelo Lopez
‏@Marcelo_Lopez84
As far as I am aware, no medical is taking place tomorrow. Garay is not joining. Thiago is not flying in tomorrow

Sorry to rain on your parade but he's actually fake ITK account.

 

[LR7]

ALWAYS WANTED TO SEE YOUR CHILD SUCCEED IN DIFFERENT TEAMS

The plan to separate Mazinho Thiago de Rafinha starts to take shape at the United


Thiago Alcantara has become the main objective of facing Manchester United next season.The Spanish midfielder is intended by the 'Red Devils', and the last step on your hypothetical has given out by Barcelona player removing an official photograph .After spectacular U19 has signed, the English club is not willing to let it slip ...but this would be really happy hiring someone: Mazinho.

The former world champion Brazil in 1994 has always proved to be an ambitious person. Mazinho never satisfied with being one in the field, but always sought that point that was different to the others. The Brazilian former player spent much of his sporting life in Spain and, despite being part of clubs of different levels-Valencia, Celta, Elche and Alava-quality earned him to be a regular in the Brazilian team.

Mazinho has lived in their own flesh the difficulty succeed in football and, very early, decided to inject his ideas to your children for them to become great players. The main axis around which turned exinternacional particularly Brazilian policy was clear: both are separated, live parallel lives in different clubs, to become icons in two different hobbies.

However, although Mazinho tried, offering their children to clubs like Chelsea, Real Madrid and Valencia, was not able to 'place' in different teams. So Barcelona was interested in signing them, to what end giving. Although it did not fit too much in his philosophy, Mazinho club agreed that it was done with the two players, leading to a 14-year-Thiago and Rafinha--12 years-to become Barcelona players. But the duality was still in his plans.

Although belonging to the same club, both players were taken very different paths in some basics. While Thiago decided to play for the Spanish, Rafinha did by playing with Brazil, Thiago is known for being an excellent assistant and Rafinha is a real llegador, a man with a goal in mind is the image of Adidas Thiago, but it is Nike Rafinha ... The differences between them were clear, and change only needed to round out the play club.

Therefore, the appearance on the scene of Manchester United has become the possibility that long awaited Mazinho. The former player relies heavily on the chances of his two sons, while Thiago can become an important part of the 'Red Devils', Rafinha has a promising future in football, and it is hoped that over the next season go alternative to having its highest level. The opportunity of the two is very close.

If concrete finally the Spanish international signing for Manchester United, Mazinho will have achieved your goal finally. Having two children with very different profiles, different clubs, and with basic features to become stars on different clubs.No more cause there comparisons between the two: Mazinho has 'created' two icons differentiated.Their plans are very close to fulfillment. http://www.elconfidencial.com/deportes/liga-bbva/2013/07/05/el-plan-de-mazinho-de-separar-a-thiago-de-rafinha-empieza-a-tomar-forma-gracias-al-united-124344/&usg=ALkJrhi2mgX3w15RUUD_KOE1FLLY2pZ3eQ

This is really interesting from El Confidencial (which I think is more reliable than Sport or MD to not be biased). Like the MD article it describes the differences between the two brothers but then suggests that was Mazinho's plan all along to have the two bothers as different types of payers with different profiles as stars at different clubs, and suggests that Thiago's move to Manchester United will bring Mazinho's dream closer to fulfilment. Interesting perspective.

 

[Skywarden]

The tax talk is clutching at straws. Not one penny will go to FCB anyway so why should they care.

 

[LR7]

I won't post the whole article but Marca's headline is:
"Thiago requires assurances that he will play"
They also suggest that although Guardiola knows what a great player Thiago is, he can't guarantee that Thiago will be a permanent in the Bayern side and that the main suitor has always been us and that Moyes has suggested (not guaranteed) that he will play a lot of minutes for us.

http://www.marca.com/2013/07/05/futbol/equipos/barcelona/1373003967.html&usg=ALkJrhhP-MsPbnigau4tLqFAR8BSSXkdjg

AS reckon Moyes will reveal soomething today and say that the British press is expecting him to and also that thiago wont be expected to pay the fee (which would then bring in the tax issue) but that Barcelona, us and Thiago will reach a compromise. They also throw the possibility of Rooney joining Barcelona in as an option, for good measure!

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://as.com/&prev=/search?q=as.com&rlz=1C1CHMO_en-gbGB483GB483&biw=1280&bih=933

 

[SirAF]

I won't post the whole article but Marca's headline is:
"Thiago requires assurances that he will play"
They also suggest that although Guardiola knows what a great player Thiago is, he can't guarantee that Thiago will be a permanent in the Bayern side and that the main suitor has always been us and that Moyes has suggested (not guaranteed) that he will play a lot of minutes for us.

http://www.marca.com/2013/07/05/futbol/equipos/barcelona/1373003967.html&usg=ALkJrhhP-MsPbnigau4tLqFAR8BSSXkdjg

He wants assurances? Goes without saying he will start, next to Carrick, ahead of what we have now!

 

[vanthaman]

Imagine the carnage if the first question in Moyes press conference went like this..

reporter: how close is the deal for Thiago
DM: what deal? We haven't spoken to Barcelona or the player and are not interested in starting any kind of negotiations

 

[jojojo]

The Barcelona press are impatient because they want to get on with the bit where Barca go shopping and so far neither Thiago nor Villa (nor anyone else who'd raise significant money) has been sold. They're frustrated because they were expecting news yesterday, after Rafinha's renewal meeting.

What looks clear is that Thiago is saying nothing to Barca (or anyone else) until he's either got a contract to sign or has abandoned the move. United haven't spoken to Barca, because that isn't the important bit.

The tax stories just add a little spice, like on all those TV reality house makeover shows where they've only got an hour to finish before the family gets home (or the house turns back into a pumpkin again). It's a tax/legal issue, that has been resolved successfully in the past.

This is the biggest decision of Thiago's life so far. It will be one of the biggest decisions of his career. Barca and United want to know so they can get on with their other transfer plans and prepare his pre-season, but that doesn't mean he has to tell Barca (or us) anything until the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed.

 

[fishfingers15]

Let's get the important question out of the way. Is he a fantasista? Can we call him a fantasista? Or is he Regista or a Teraquista or a Motherfecka?

 

[LR7]

He wants assurances? Goes without saying he will start, next to Carrick, ahead of what we have now!

Agree

The Barcelona press are impatient because they want to get on with the bit where Barca go shopping and so far neither Thiago nor Villa (nor anyone else who'd raise significant money) has been sold. They're frustrated because they were expecting news yesterday, after Rafinha's renewal meeting.

What looks clear is that Thiago is saying nothing to Barca (or anyone else) until he's either got a contract to sign or has abandoned the move. United haven't spoken to Barca, because that isn't the important bit.

The tax stories just add a little spice, like on all those TV reality house makeover shows where they've only got an hour to finish before the family gets home (or the house turns back into a pumpkin again). It's a tax/legal issue, that has been resolved successfully in the past.

This is the biggest decision of Thiago's life so far. It will be one of the biggest decisions of his career. Barca and United want to know so they can get on with their other transfer plans and prepare his pre-season, but that doesn't mean he has to tell Barca (or us) anything until the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed.

I understand the impatience of the Catalan press, and I also understand Thiago taking time with the decision, or at least waiting until everything is confirmed before announcing anything. He's a lot more refreshing than Hazard fluttering his eyelashes and whoring himself with cryptic clues and hints like "next season I will play in blue or red" every five minutes via twitter last summer.

 

[Carl]

I actually don't like this assurances he'll play business. At the end of the day you earn your right to play with your performances in games and in training. Not because of what it says in your contract.

 

[Bestie07]

I actually don't like this assurances he'll play business. At the end of the day you earn your right to play with your performances in games and in training. Not because of what it says in your contract.

It's not ideal, but it's not that bad. It's not as if Moyes has to play him even if he is not playing well, it's more like we would lose him at a cut price fee if he isn't played. And since when have we got big bucks for our fringe players anyway?

 

[steeeb]

I actually don't like this assurances he'll play business. At the end of the day you earn your right to play with your performances in games and in training. Not because of what it says in your contract.

I agree. But in this specfic case, I'm not as bothered - he is coming to in my opinon fix a glaring problem. If he isn't playing all the time then something is wrong and he turns out to not be good enough - in which case we'll probably recover the money we spent.

 

[Genius Me!]

I actually don't like this assurances he'll play business. At the end of the day you earn your right to play with your performances in games and in training. Not because of what it says in your contract.

I don't agree that he should have a minimum game clause thing, but at the same time I don't have issue with him having assurances that he'll play. After all he's leaving one of the most in demand clubs in the world because he doesn't play as often as he'd like. Some people would see it as a step down leaving Sunny Spain and Barcelona to come to Manchester so I can't really blame him wanting to know he's going to get game time before committing his future either way.

 

[OnlyTwoDaSilvas]

So really, we are still at the stage we were at 2 weeks ago. That he might join us, but still might stay at Barca.

Has he seen our squad? Of course he'll play. He'll probably be our star man in less than 2 years. Get it signed.

 

[Coxy]

Some people would see it as a step down leaving Sunny Spain and Barcelona to come to Manchester

I think most people would to be fair - except for Man Utd fans perhaps...

 

[Stretch]

The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to think we will not sign him. It's just too good to be true Hopefully, the gaffer gives us muppets some info (even if cryptic) in his presser

 

[manusteve]

When it comes to big signings, do you think United is simply a club that conducts transfers with all correct due diligence before concluding?

I don't have proof, but the likes of Real, Barca, and Bayern (probs with Lewandowski, admittedly) just go for it. With Ronaldo, didn't United tell Real "ok, but we want 80m up front, in our bank". Real complied.

 

[Genius Me!]

I think most people would to be fair - except for Man Utd fans perhaps...

Yeah, but I personally hate playing football in the sun when it's hot so if I was a footballer I wouldn't want to leave England for Spain.

 

[Varun]

I actually don't like this assurances he'll play business. At the end of the day you earn your right to play with your performances in games and in training. Not because of what it says in your contract.

I dont see the problem. if he cant cement his place in Our CM, it wont be a big loss to See him leave anyways. We should try to Get It done without The clause ofcourse, but it shouldnt be a deal breaker if it comes to that. Considering why he's leaving barca, understandable that he wants assurances. Why he as any doubts about his own ability to make our CM position his own Alongside Carrick, i dont know.

 

[KM]

When it comes to big signings, do you think United is simply a club that conducts transfers with all correct due diligence before concluding?

I don't have proof, but the likes of Real, Barca, and Bayern (probs with Lewandowski, admittedly) just go for it. With Ronaldo, didn't United tell Real "ok, but we want 80m up front, in our bank". Real complied.

Let's not forget that it took Madrid three years of continous tapping up to sign Ronaldo. Giving us 80m was their last option because they had tried every thing in the book before that and still didn't get any close to sign Ronaldo.

 

[adamwest]

It's incredible after the elation of yesterday we seem to be back to square one again.

 

[manusteve]

Let's not forget that it took Madrid three years of continous tapping up to sign Ronaldo. Giving us 80m was their last option because they had tried every thing in the book before that and still didn't get any close to sign Ronaldo.

By no means am I having a go at United's transfer process, I applaud if we are that meticuluous. The Real/Ronaldo example was just an illustration of how Real does business, which is seemingly quickly.

And I don't include "tapping up" as formal transfer activity, naive as I am! I refer to when the clubs start talking to each other formally, even if outside the gaze of the media.

 

[LR7]

It is not back to square one at all though. The Spanish press seem resigned to the fact that he's leaving, it's just a matter of telling the club his intention and they all seem to think we are the most his most likely destination.

I reckon it's a case of dotting i's and crossing t's like jojojo said.

 

[Sassy Colin]

Hold on, so yesterday's rumours about medicals were bullshit afterall?