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I'm betting on Vince wants to be back in control and occasionally on tv and will make that happen over the next 6 months. If he sells the new owners are almost certain not to keep him in charge now. WWE is his life.
 

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Btw dynamite was great. The crowd was probably one of the hottest aew has ever had. They need to make new markets like this.

Fantastic show.
What did you think of the new set?

I quite liked it but personally I like the crowd lights being a bit more dim.
 

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I don't think he's officially back is he, thought the board and shareholders would fight against his return.
Looks like he is.

But no word that he's in charge of creative or anything (unless I missed it, or that it's meant to be a given)
 

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Looks like he is.

But no word that he's in charge of creative or anything (unless I missed it, or that it's meant to be a given)
Nope, whatever filings has to be done has stated he won’t be near creative.
Rumour is he’s there for a sale. It makes sense since he can hardly be expected to sit back after losing the company and not sell his shares
 

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I don't think he's officially back is he, thought the board and shareholders would fight against his return.
Cant do anything. Minor shareholders could start lawsuits if the stock price tanks. Its gone up

Vince can start all the releases now and start putting himself back into other roles.



Last tweet there suggests the investigation internally about Vince is over as the main person behind it resigned today
 
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It'll be so funny if he releases all of the folks HHH recently rehired. Looks like the stepping down was just to take the heat off for a while.

As for MITB, it's awesome that we're getting a proper PPV over here (Clash was basically just a big house show, and nothing that happened really mattered despite the amazing crowd). I'll have a good look into getting tickets, they'll get snapped up though.
 

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It'll be so funny if he releases all of the folks HHH recently rehired. Looks like the stepping down was just to take the heat off for a while.

As for MITB, it's awesome that we're getting a proper PPV over here (Clash was basically just a big house show, and nothing that happened really mattered despite the amazing crowd). I'll have a good look into getting tickets, they'll get snapped up though.
I think most of Triple H's hires will be okay for a few months. He signed lots of guys and other than 1 or 2 most of them arent up to anything significant. I think we'll see them fade off tv and probably released in a few months but I think Vince's attention will be elsewhere initially.

Realistically the guys who got the biggest roles for Triple H till now were 1) Kross and Scarlet working with Drew and 2) Dexter Lumis with Miz... with Gargano mostly his mouthpiece, still on tv a bit but not having many matches. 3) Bray given tv time with... himself... mostly 4) Braun squashing lower card guys and now in a tag team.

Anybody else didnt even make the midcard of their division

Regal is obviously not for on tv.
 

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I think most of Triple H's hires will be okay for a few months. He signed lots of guys and other than 1 or 2 most of them arent up to anything significant. I think we'll see them fade off tv and probably released in a few months but I think Vince's attention will be elsewhere initially.

Realistically the guys who got the biggest roles for Triple H till now were 1) Kross and Scarlet working with Drew and 2) Dexter Lumis with Miz... with Gargano mostly his mouthpiece, still on tv a bit but not having many matches. 3) Bray given tv time with... himself... mostly 4) Braun squashing lower card guys and now in a tag team.

Anybody else didnt even make the midcard of their division

Regal is obviously not for on tv.
The womens tag champs also.

What did you think of the new set?

I quite liked it but personally I like the crowd lights being a bit more dim.
I liked the new set. The crowd lights will dependon how packed the show is. If it's not it won't be good
 

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All this Vince McMahon stuff needs to dramatised in a HBO one off special series.
 

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It'll be so funny if he releases all of the folks HHH recently rehired. Looks like the stepping down was just to take the heat off for a while.

As for MITB, it's awesome that we're getting a proper PPV over here (Clash was basically just a big house show, and nothing that happened really mattered despite the amazing crowd). I'll have a good look into getting tickets, they'll get snapped up though.
He’s not releasing anybody, he’s there for the sale. They have already filed that he won’t be around creative.
The man’s wealth is the WWE stocks that he owns. He was always going to sell and it’s weird it took this long to kick it into motion if you think about it.
Apparently JP Morgan is handling the sale with Saudi money interested
 

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He’s not releasing anybody, he’s there for the sale. They have already filed that he won’t be around creative.
The man’s wealth is the WWE stocks that he owns. He was always going to sell and it’s weird it took this long to kick it into motion if you think about it.
Apparently JP Morgan is handling the sale with Saudi money interested
The sale was on before he even stepped down though, right? So there's no need for him to come back, it looks like he just can't let go, not that surprising really given that it's been his entire life.

Still, it's Vinnny Mac, hard to see a control freak like him not getting involved in creative, especially given that it seems he has a stranglehold on the company direction again.
 

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Where abouts will money in the bank take place? Has is been announced apart from London?
 

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By the way Vince wanted to come back and take over everything again including creative. The board voted against it.

Vince replaced 3 board members :

" On January 5, 2023, the Reporting Person acted by written consent (the “Written Consent”) to remove JoEllen Lyons Dillon, Jeffrey R. Speed and Alan M. Wexler without cause as directors of the Issuer and to fill such vacancies by electing the Reporting Person, George Barrios and Michelle Wilson as directors of the Issuer. " Third replacement being Vince.

And 2 others resigned - Ignace Ladoud and Man Jit Singh.

Now Vince is back in as chairman. These are the 9 board members :

https://corporate.wwe.com/investors/corporate-governance/board-committees-and-charters

The board that installed Trips and Steph and investigated Vince is gone. This is now Vince's board majority so he will likely get whatever he wants.
 

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Caught up with Rampage and Battle of the Belts. Also both excellent shows.

Easily the best match I've seen from Jade Cargill. Working with Bryan Danielson looks like it's really starting to pay off. That finish was something else. :eek:
 

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Caught up with Rampage and Battle of the Belts. Also both excellent shows.

Easily the best match I've seen from Jade Cargill. Working with Bryan Danielson looks like it's really starting to pay off. That finish was something else. :eek:
I skipped the Jade match as I never have high expectations but glad to hear she's improving. Is she getting coached by Danielson? I didn't know that.
 

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By the way Vince wanted to come back and take over everything again including creative. The board voted against it.

Vince replaced 3 board members :

" On January 5, 2023, the Reporting Person acted by written consent (the “Written Consent”) to remove JoEllen Lyons Dillon, Jeffrey R. Speed and Alan M. Wexler without cause as directors of the Issuer and to fill such vacancies by electing the Reporting Person, George Barrios and Michelle Wilson as directors of the Issuer. " Third replacement being Vince.

And 2 others resigned - Ignace Ladoud and Man Jit Singh.

Now Vince is back in as chairman. These are the 9 board members :

https://corporate.wwe.com/investors/corporate-governance/board-committees-and-charters

The board that installed Trips and Steph and investigated Vince is gone. This is now Vince's board majority so he will likely get whatever he wants.
It's a question of "when" not "if" Vince takes back creative control in my opinion.

If he's in charge of creative when the company is sold he has more of a chance of keeping that job, then he does of an external company putting a 77 yr old with dodgy allegations in that job.
 

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I skipped the Jade match as I never have high expectations but glad to hear she's improving. Is she getting coached by Danielson? I didn't know that.
Apparently so. Yeah you can see visibly see the improvement so something must be sticking. The finish btw...

 
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Vince has done it again with gaining control of his company back.

If Austin couldn’t get the job done back at King Of The Ring 1999, then what chance does anyone have? :p
 

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It's a question of "when" not "if" Vince takes back creative control in my opinion.

If he's in charge of creative when the company is sold he has more of a chance of keeping that job, then he does of an external company putting a 77 yr old with dodgy allegations in that job.
Could be nail in the coffin for WWE if Vince is back in charge. Not sure getting Goldberg and Lesnar out once in a blue moon will save them if there is shite storylines. He just needs to feck off now.
 

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Could be nail in the coffin for WWE if Vince is back in charge. Not sure getting Goldberg and Lesnar out once in a blue moon will save them if there is shite storylines. He just needs to feck off now.
Unfortunately theres only one way he'll feck off :nervous:
 

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Could be nail in the coffin for WWE if Vince is back in charge. Not sure getting Goldberg and Lesnar out once in a blue moon will save them if there is shite storylines. He just needs to feck off now.
If anything I think it'll actually correctly help them out when it comes to the new tv rights deals in the next couple of years that make up the majority of their income. Nick Khan would have done fine, but Vince with his experience is obviously going to be better helping than Trips and Steph who dont have experience with it.

That will be the major thing in terms of health for WWE financially. More than the shows, booking, etc.

Obviously the optics of Vince being in control isnt as good for sponsors, some talent and personalities that have in the past or do work there.

Personally I havent been impressed with WWE in his absence. For me its mostly been the same, but mixed with Triple H getting his guys from NXT on the main show... But most of them are the ones I didnt find interesting in NXT/indies. People like Cole, KOR and Swerve Strickland already went to AEW and those were the people I was more interested in because I've liked their matches

Most of the stuff we've seen Vince has done himself at various points in time, so its hard to say he wouldnt ever do it.
 

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If anything I think it'll actually correctly help them out when it comes to the new tv rights deals in the next couple of years that make up the majority of their income. Nick Khan would have done fine, but Vince with his experience is obviously going to be better helping than Trips and Steph who dont have experience with it.

That will be the major thing in terms of health for WWE financially. More than the shows, booking, etc.

Obviously the optics of Vince being in control isnt as good for sponsors, some talent and personalities that have in the past or do work there.

Personally I havent been impressed with WWE in his absence. For me its mostly been the same, but mixed with Triple H getting his guys from NXT on the main show... But most of them are the ones I didnt find interesting in NXT/indies. People like Cole, KOR and Swerve Strickland already went to AEW and those were the people I was more interested in because I've liked their matches

Most of the stuff we've seen Vince has done himself at various points in time, so its hard to say he wouldnt ever do it.
One change I'd noticed is they'd started to build up more long term stories/feuds. Sami/KO, Ray/Dominic, Whatever is meant to be going on with La Knight/Bray, etc. And it has improved the shows a tiny bit.

Also the last two Raw episodes have been weird in that they've started off the first hour like they're going to be really good, then it's almost like whoever is scripting them gets bored half way through and just goes "yeah that'll do" and the second half of the show is the wrestling show equipment of playing Solitaire at your work desk because you cant be fecked anymore but it isn't acceptable to leave and go home yet.

Personally don't think WWE will get much better until at least one of their rosters has a world title that they can actually realistically go for and build meaningful fueds around. The whole point is supposed to be that everyone wants to be the world champion. At the moment what's anyone actually even bothering to fight over? They have the women's titles but then they get devalued by doing dumb shite like have Flair come back and become champion within 1 minute for about the 800th time. Stuff like this only comes off if the person going over is the underdog.

So yeah its not like there's much for Vince to tear back down if he did take over creative. There'll just be more bizarre random shite again, like LA Knight being a fashion show host or graphics of leprechauns jumping out of Sheamus's hair as he enters the ring or something.
 

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Apparently so. Yeah you can see visibly see the improvement so something must be sticking. The finish btw...

Good stuff. I find both Jade and Red Velvet wildly attractive. Also Jade is someone you can build a company around as one of your totems if she could be trusted to be in the ring and not lose the crowd.

I'm not sure that AEW's more humane, ethically sound, financially cost-effective schedule of wrestling rarely helps someone as green as her though. If she was in WWE not so long ago she'd have done about 350 matches by now. But glad to hear she's improving, I might watch her next match then.
 

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If anything I think it'll actually correctly help them out when it comes to the new tv rights deals in the next couple of years that make up the majority of their income. Nick Khan would have done fine, but Vince with his experience is obviously going to be better helping than Trips and Steph who dont have experience with it.

That will be the major thing in terms of health for WWE financially. More than the shows, booking, etc.

Obviously the optics of Vince being in control isnt as good for sponsors, some talent and personalities that have in the past or do work there.

Personally I havent been impressed with WWE in his absence. For me its mostly been the same, but mixed with Triple H getting his guys from NXT on the main show... But most of them are the ones I didnt find interesting in NXT/indies. People like Cole, KOR and Swerve Strickland already went to AEW and those were the people I was more interested in because I've liked their matches

Most of the stuff we've seen Vince has done himself at various points in time, so its hard to say he wouldnt ever do it.
I think it has improved since Vince but there has been an influx of alot of new characters and some of which have had very minimal impact e.g Hit Row. There has however been clear pushes for the talented stars in my opinion such as Sami Zayn, Kevin Owens, LA Knight, Gunther, Austin Theory reinvented, Bloodline, etc. There's still alot of improvements to be made though. As have others have said, if Vince is back, it will just lead to some very strange characters and storylines.
 

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I think it has improved since Vince but there has been an influx of alot of new characters and some of which have had very minimal impact e.g Hit Row. There has however been clear pushes for the talented stars in my opinion such as Sami Zayn, Kevin Owens, LA Knight, Gunther, Austin Theory reinvented, Bloodline, etc. There's still alot of improvements to be made though. As have others have said, if Vince is back, it will just lead to some very strange characters and storylines.
Vince has filed to the SEC that he isn’t there to take control of creative and is only there I on the business side. It might be different after a takeover but if he went back in that he could be sued to high heaven.
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