Saying the guff about not wanting to be a champion is pathetic. Different to me calling him pathetic. Everybody will have a pathetic opinion about something, not everybody is pathetic
So the stuff he says (which he follows through on) is pathetic, not him. Despite the whole convo being about him. Gotcha
If I speak, I big trouble.
Oh dear he's having a stroke
Yeah, that was standard Jericho. Hook gained far more from the Joe loss, because that was for the title against a dominant champion. Jericho hasn't been a big player in AEW for ages, in fact his booking reminds me a little of Cody's given how separate he seems from everything else.
I think it's pretty generous to call it a build, it's mostly been them having matches with other people and an occasional staredown, there didn't seem to be much story beyond having the match for the sake of it.
I genuinely think you’re just confused and we’re talking about different thingsSo the stuff he says (which he follows through on) is pathetic, not him. Despite the whole convo being about him. Gotcha
As I said, ok mate. Im sure hes gutted somebody on a forum is calling him pathetic and lacking ambition.
Its still a build though. Its about whos better, not just thrown together last second. If they could have had a different build, sure, that can be argued, but we cant say there wasnt any build to it or that it didnt matter.
I think AEW should have done a better job once they got him. IMO, they didnt follow up on his debut (along with Adam Cole) and that period where Punk debut'd. They had over 1m viewers per week, and just blew that.
Yeah just watched it now. Exceeded my expectations and it's as good if not better than the matches Will had with Kenny. The two of them had unbelievable chemistry and some of the spots were so crisp that it's not surprising the usual crowd can't comprehend what they're seeing. Nothing was unsafe.
Eddie Kingston is 95% of my problem with AEW, and wrestling in general.
Said it last year but ospreay has to main event all in this year. Winning the title would be a great moment after what will be inevitably a great match
Yeah defo. Wrap him up in cotton wool a solid month before though. Would just by typical if he gets injured.
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I loved being at all in last year but was gutted about a few injuries like pac, Danielson, hayter. Hopefully they all get a good showcase this year
Same. Hayter feels like she's been gone forever at this stage.
It was a cool spot, but it would have been better if they found a way to make the cutter attempt make sense - Danielson was on the floor when Ospreay went for it, so going for that move looked out of place.
Fully agree
fair point. Now I need to see Joe doing the walk off when he tries it.That's what makes me laugh when see people waxing lyrical about "amazing storytelling" and all that rubbish for matches like that.
There's isn't a really a debate amongst anyone with any sense.
I don't really agree with this, just because you know a match is going to take place doesn't mean it's being built, that's just the passage of time between the announcement and the match.
It'll happen eventually. Given how pointlessly flippy some of the lower card AEW guys are, I'm surprised Joe hasn't had a match that's just entirely walking away from high moves until the opponent collapses. That actually sounds like fun to watch!
I don't think it's fair to say the match was only that, the majority of it was well put together, it was a really good match technically, but I agree that the reaction has been over the top.
Disagree on that. His selling was really good in the match. He sold the arm well all the way through it and even pinned him with his other arm at the end. I think a lot of the people calling it no selling are just used to an entirely different style of wrestling really. The 1 kick outs, going hit for hit and bouncing back up on certain moves are more the fighting spirit/adrenaline style of NJPW. It's not for everyone but I like it personally (when it's done well as it was in this). The match had great pacing as well, started off quite slowly with some great chain wrestling from both and then really went for it around about when Danielson hit that tiger suplex from the top turnbuckle.
But you can say that about any match that was on Mania that didnt include a title (about five matches). You can say that about most matches on AEW PPVs that dont include a title, if you really want to argue that.
This is a little defensive, you've put a lot of words in my mouth that I haven't actually said.
I think you may have read more into my post than I actually wrote. I think the pacing was really good, that's part of what I meant by technically great. I enjoyed the match, I thought it was really good, just that some of the praise and reaction is over the top.
What have I paraphased you saying that you havent really said?
It's the 2nd best wrestling match I've seen, I would have rather had Danielson and Ospreay shake hands at the end.
Whats 1st?
That stakes = title mostly. Stakes is anything beyond having a match for the sake of it.
I never said 'you' (@thehilton )said that. I said you (as in, in general) can argue the point that most title matches dont have stakes, hence why i added ' if you really want to argue that.'.
Flippy shit Essex boy
Makes him a perfect heel then, no?
Kinda hope with drew that they keep making him miss out on his moments…have him lose the title match in Glasgow due to shenanigans (punk), moments away from winning MITB only to have it snatched away (punk again) be the last guy eliminated in the rumble, becomes more bitter and twisted and so on.
Him losing in Glasgow would be a brave call.
