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Just embarrassing
Yeah we're all just complaining because we haven't won the league in a few years, we're so spoilt.Forget about the state of the stadium, debt payments, dividends, lack of long-term strategy, the failure to implement a DoF, embarrassing issues with training facilities and broken promises with women's side... there could be worse owners out there.
It's been a problem since 2005.I didn't know about the rodent problem.
Yeah, that figure seemed quite a bit high.Does blow my mind that it’d cost £750m+ to revamp the south stand and refurb the stadium, similar to what Madrid are paying. Isn’t that about double what Arsenal paid for a whole new stadium? And not that much less than what Spurs ended up forking out for their state of the art one.
We could surely massively improve Old Trafford with just say £250m worth of investment.
I've thought and felt exactly the same at that fixture. Old Trafford is akin to the Reebook / Macron whatever Bolton FC call it. Just standard concrete breezeblock. When I went to Wembley to see David Moye's first game for the shield it was like the twilight zone. Elevators to the seats!Stadiums been fecked for well over 10 years. I was going to games with my uncle in the 05-06 season & noticed how grimey it was. I remember going to watch us play Wigan at the JJB back in 06 & being taken aback at how much nicer it was than OT.
It's right next to a canal, at ground level and has normally got loads of fans and food vans around it. Of course there will be mice and rats. My office in the centre of Manchester struggles to keep the mice out.Watched it this morning.
I didn't know about the rodent problem.
Shameful!
They must be getting quotes from somewhere dodgy. I also fail to see how putting some extra ramps in and removing some seats for the disabled supporters facilities could possibly cost £11m.Does blow my mind that it’d cost £750m+ to revamp the south stand and refurb the stadium, similar to what Madrid are paying. Isn’t that about double what Arsenal paid for a whole new stadium? And not that much less than what Spurs ended up forking out for their state of the art one.
We could surely massively improve Old Trafford with just say £250m worth of investment.
Exactly. This is all about City and Liverpool and nothing to do with our own club. Because we're too dumb to look beyond the PL table.Yeah we're all just complaining because we haven't won the league in a few years, we're so spoilt.
Yep. And at one point were rebuked by the council for not doing anything about it.When the guy in the vid first mentions rats being spotted in the stadium, I naturally assumed it was a fitting reference to our less than glorious owners.
Unfortunately not.
Old Trafford has a rat infestation problem? Not shrews, not mice, actual RATS.
Urgh.
Refurbishment is more expensive than building from the ground up. You have to work around existing services and limitations without upsetting the existing structure. When you start from the ground up, its theoretically like a giant lego set. To every cable tray and power point has been factored into consideration in a set of design plans. Just take pouring concrete for example. You have a blank slate. You're literally doing your pours as you work your way up.Does blow my mind that it’d cost £750m+ to revamp the south stand and refurb the stadium, similar to what Madrid are paying. Isn’t that about double what Arsenal paid for a whole new stadium? And not that much less than what Spurs ended up forking out for their state of the art one.
We could surely massively improve Old Trafford with just say £250m worth of investment.
So, the gist of it is it's costly and time consuming.Refurbishment is more expensive than building from the ground up. You have to work around existing services and limitations without upsetting the existing structure. When you start from the ground up, its theoretically like a giant lego set. To every cable tray and power point has been factored into consideration in a set of design plans. Just take pouring concrete for example. You have a blank slate. You're literally doing your pours as you work your way up.
Now factor Old Trafford and you're high up in the North Stand and you've got to pour 100 cubes of concrete to amend a stair case.... how do you get the concrete there? how do you work around the stand or concourse? what if youre doing demo and there's a cable... unbeknownst to you, this cable has been in place since 1950 and isn't documented on any existing plans? you have to stop work for a day while you get a surveyor in. He's charging 1000 quid a day. That builder that you have told him to sit idle. He's hitting you with 4-5k quid per day with his lads and thats not factoring in the added cost of delay to his contract that will probably get on later. On top of that you've got your project engineers, your architect that needs to come inspect, your sparkies sitting idle, you plumbers etc. All of that for one problem and thats one day of delay. Suddenly that 1 day of delay has just cost you 100k in delay costs and you're not ahead of where you were two days ago and thats one of 15 other problems that showed up that day.
Im not defending the glazers, but people seem to think that it's an easy fix and it really isn't.
They're obviously going to take their dividends. Any investor into a profitable business is going to expect a return. Whether it is ethical or not that they leveraged debt to buy the club is another matter.So, the gist of it is it's costly and time consuming.
So why are the Glazers still taking their dividends?
It was also a reaction to losing the greatest manager of all time and the threat of other clubs gaining ground on us. The Glazers couldn't afford for us to drop out of top 4 so did everything to secure it. This reality combined with the powers that be having no fecking idea about football led to some of the worst transfer deals in history, compounded at one club, ours.Last 15 months has been the perfect time to repair the stadium but Glazers ignored it ....Really feeling bad about their time here..
People argue that they spent money on players and I agree but it was like headless chickens with out proper structure and strategy
Financially, it would probably be the worst time to repair it. No matchday revenue, and cashflows have taken a heavy hit. Manutd have already increased their debt from $470m to $520m, which was likely done to deal with the pandemic.Last 15 months has been the perfect time to repair the stadium but Glazers ignored it ....Really feeling bad about their time here..
People argue that they spent money on players and I agree but it was like headless chickens with out proper structure and strategy
Are the other owners taking dividends and "consultation fees?"They're obviously going to take their dividends. Any investor into a profitable business is going to expect a return. Whether it is ethical or not that they leveraged debt to buy the club is another matter.