In answer to the thread title - I don't think it's as simple as saying that he is or isn't "done." He's in a position at Man Utd where it could easily go either way.
A lot of it is about the belief and togetherness of the squad. This could collapse at Man Utd or he could manage to assert himself and recreate the success he had at Chelsea. I'll explain what I mean...
At Chelsea last season he achieved some of the worst results ever for a squad of that quality - but I don't think that means he suddenly became the worst manager ever. It was because the squad turned on him. Contrast the unity and sense of purpose Leicester had last season, with all the squad, manager and fans pulling in the same direction. That must have been worth at least 10-20 points over the season. It means at least as much as the manager's tactics on the field.
Building a team that has this unity and purpose/drive is much easier said than done. You had it for a long time with the club and fans united under Sir Alex whom nobody could challenge. It's like a virtuous circle of on field success, unites the team behind the manager, which in turn leads to more on field success. As soon as Moyes was appointed, it went the exact other way - on field failures leading to the squad losing belief in the manager, loss of unity and belief, leading to more on field failures.
Going back to my original point - it could easily go either way with Jose. Your squad has a number of rampaging egos - e.g. Rooney, Ibra and of course Jose himself. Bad results over the next 10-20 matches could mean that his authority goes, the unity of the team goes, and the monster egos could all turn on each other like rats in a sack. But if you get the rub of the green over the next 5 or so matches - maybe a few lucky goals or penalties, or decisions, it will build Jose's authority and the team's unity and strength of purpose. It feels like you're in quite a precarious position at the moment.
I don't think he's become a useless manager since he was at Chelsea - it's just that he now has a lot of negative stories and history following him around. That could make it more difficult for the team to unite behind him in the way that his first Chelsea team did (or Man Utd under Sir Alex did, or Leicester under Ranieri) - and easier to end up with a "rats in a sack" situation like his last Chelsea team.
A lot of it is about the belief and togetherness of the squad. This could collapse at Man Utd or he could manage to assert himself and recreate the success he had at Chelsea. I'll explain what I mean...
At Chelsea last season he achieved some of the worst results ever for a squad of that quality - but I don't think that means he suddenly became the worst manager ever. It was because the squad turned on him. Contrast the unity and sense of purpose Leicester had last season, with all the squad, manager and fans pulling in the same direction. That must have been worth at least 10-20 points over the season. It means at least as much as the manager's tactics on the field.
Building a team that has this unity and purpose/drive is much easier said than done. You had it for a long time with the club and fans united under Sir Alex whom nobody could challenge. It's like a virtuous circle of on field success, unites the team behind the manager, which in turn leads to more on field success. As soon as Moyes was appointed, it went the exact other way - on field failures leading to the squad losing belief in the manager, loss of unity and belief, leading to more on field failures.
Going back to my original point - it could easily go either way with Jose. Your squad has a number of rampaging egos - e.g. Rooney, Ibra and of course Jose himself. Bad results over the next 10-20 matches could mean that his authority goes, the unity of the team goes, and the monster egos could all turn on each other like rats in a sack. But if you get the rub of the green over the next 5 or so matches - maybe a few lucky goals or penalties, or decisions, it will build Jose's authority and the team's unity and strength of purpose. It feels like you're in quite a precarious position at the moment.
I don't think he's become a useless manager since he was at Chelsea - it's just that he now has a lot of negative stories and history following him around. That could make it more difficult for the team to unite behind him in the way that his first Chelsea team did (or Man Utd under Sir Alex did, or Leicester under Ranieri) - and easier to end up with a "rats in a sack" situation like his last Chelsea team.
