Tosin Adarabioyo | Signs for Chelsea

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We will need at least 2 CBs right? maybe 3 if we sell Maguire? Feels like we should be looking hard at him on a free.
A starting CB is a must. After that we have a myriad of options. I’d be surprised if Maguire left and there’s been noise around so many young RCB’s over the past year from Todibo, , Yoro, Antonio Silva and Scalvini that it seems like we will prioritise this position.

I’d be happy with Martinez, Maguire, Kambwala, new RCB, Shaw as CB cover if we also sign a LB.
 

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A starting CB is a must. After that we have a myriad of options. I’d be surprised if Maguire left and there’s been noise around so many young RCB’s over the past year from Todibo, , Yoro, Antonio Silva and Scalvini that it seems like we will prioritise this position.

I’d be happy with Martinez, Maguire, Kambwala, new RCB, Shaw as CB cover if we also sign a LB.
That would be a very uninspiring group. Martinez not inspiring much that he could be healthy all year. Shaw.... yeah regardless of where he plays he prob gets injured by first international break. Then we are once again down to starting someone like Maguire or kambwala every single game. Puts a huge amount of pressure on new signing to be a rock from day one
 

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That would be a very uninspiring group. Martinez not inspiring much that he could be healthy all year. Shaw.... yeah regardless of where he plays he prob gets injured by first international break. Then we are once again down to starting someone like Maguire or kambwala every single game. Puts a huge amount of pressure on new signing to be a rock from day one
There is no reason to think Martinez won’t be able to stay fit next season. His latest injury was just an unfortunate collision on field.
 

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Of course Chelsea are in for him. Free agent, his salary will be huge. However, there's no guarantee he will succeed. If he flops and he sits on a huge contract, we can't sell him off. Thanks but no thanks. Chelsea can have him.
 
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There is no reason to think Martinez won’t be able to stay fit next season. His latest injury was just an unfortunate collision on field.
He got injured at the tail end of his first season, then was injured pretty much all last season. To say there's no reason to think he won't be able to stay fit next season just seems disingenuous. There is an easy line of thinking to say his body might not be able to cope at this level, especially considering the ferocity in which he plays
 

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There is no reason to think Martinez won’t be able to stay fit next season. His latest injury was just an unfortunate collision on field.
A quick google shows that the most league games he ever played in a season was his first season for you (which was only 27 out of 38). You need reliable backup for him, would be mad to expect him to start playing more.
 

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Slow off the mark as usual, what else is new for us?
If we were even in for him, maybe he wanted too much money, maybe he didn't want to move to Manchester, maybe he wants to stay in London close to family and friends.

No point pursuing a player who doesn't want to come.
 

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Of course Chelsea are in for him. Free agent, his salary will be huge. However, there's no guarantee he will succeed. Thanks but no thanks. Chelsea can have him.
What do you think his "huge" salary will be? Google says he is currently on about £40K a week.

I reckon he'll double his money.
 

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Don't get me wrong, he could be good business, but he wouldn't even be in the conversation if we were trying to buy him for a fee.
I just don't think he's much of anything. A decent player and on a free, he would be fine. But, it's no great loss if he goes to Chelsea.
 

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What do you think his "huge" salary will be? Google says he is currently on about £40K a week.

I reckon he'll double his money.
26 Years old, transfer free, possibly joining a big PL club, I reckon at the minimum he wants to triple his current salary.
 

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People getting carried away.

He wasn't even Fulhams best CB, and he only played 20x in the league last year.

Would I of took him as a back up? Yes. But this really isn't a loss.
 

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There is no reason to think Martinez won’t be able to stay fit next season. His latest injury was just an unfortunate collision on field.
There is a reason. It doesnt matter if its bad luck that means hes had a lot of injuries, because bad luck can continue. You have no reason to say right then the pattern is over
 

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There is a reason. It doesnt matter if its bad luck that means hes had a lot of injuries, because bad luck can continue. You have no reason to say right then the pattern is over
Right but no team in the world can rely on anything. Any player could break his leg first game of the season. Having a decent backup (and Maguire is that) is more than good enough for most teams.
 

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Right but no team in the world can rely on anything. Any player could break his leg first game of the season. Having a decent backup (and Maguire is that) is more than good enough for most teams.
I think we can evaluate based on how many injuries we've had this season compared to other teams that there are contributing factors other than RNG. If those dont change we're more likely than another club to have the same happen next season.

Maguire is good enough to start as he's shown this season. Lisandro is too if he can stay fit. The rest of our options are sub par. Since we're in this thread Tosin is a good example of a player who would have been great as competition for Maguire and good as a stand in if Lisandro isnt fit. He's not the same type of player so he's not a great replacement.

Chelsea's defence was somehow worse than ours despite all our injuries and playing players out of position. So Tosin would be a great get for them on a free especially as they've spent so much on CBs over the past 3 or so seasons and almost all of them have played average or worse.
 

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I think we can evaluate based on how many injuries we've had this season compared to other teams that there are contributing factors other than RNG. If those dont change we're more likely than another club to have the same happen next season.

Maguire is good enough to start as he's shown this season. Lisandro is too if he can stay fit. The rest of our options are sub par. Since we're in this thread Tosin is a good example of a player who would have been great as competition for Maguire and good as a stand in if Lisandro isnt fit. He's not the same type of player so he's not a great replacement.

Chelsea's defence was somehow worse than ours despite all our injuries and playing players out of position. So Tosin would be a great get for them on a free especially as they've spent so much on CBs over the past 3 or so seasons and almost all of them have played average or worse.
I’m sure Tosin would be a decent option but by all accounts we want a first choice partner for Martinez which keeps Maguire as 3rd/4th choice.

Tosin would kind of be like signing another Malacia. He is a good player, adds some depth but he wouldn’t improve our first team in my opinion. Shaw was briefly challenged for his spot by Malacia but what we need is players who can take first team places to then push good players into squad roles.
 

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Im genuinely surprised how many people wanted Tosin. He is the most average of PL defenders. I am convinced that people just haven't watched him play more than 1 or 2 games.

If we want to get back to being a challenging side, we can't be signing specialist backups, we need to be signing understudies with the ability to one day become first choice players. This is how you create healthy competition within the squad and make sure players are always striving to be their best.
 

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Im genuinely surprised how many people wanted Tosin. He is the most average of PL defenders. I am convinced that people just haven't watched him play more than 1 or 2 games.

If we want to get back to being a challenging side, we can't be signing specialist backups, we need to be signing understudies with the ability to one day become first choice players. This is how you create healthy competition within the squad and make sure players are always striving to be their best.
They're looking at our alternatives and suggesting he could well be an improvement on them, Big Willy, Lindelof & Harry haven't show they can play a high line consistently. Kambwala looks the most physically able to do so but lacks experience.
 

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Think he would have been a good grab for us, but his heart was set on Chelsea as he's a boy hood fan. Apparently stalled the Newcastle the negotiations as he got a whiff Chelsea fancied him.
 

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Would be a good bench option. I think he is a bench warmer at chelsea too. But it makes sense to him to join the Blues. Their project is fancier and he is from London.
 

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Im genuinely surprised how many people wanted Tosin. He is the most average of PL defenders. I am convinced that people just haven't watched him play more than 1 or 2 games.

If we want to get back to being a challenging side, we can't be signing specialist backups, we need to be signing understudies with the ability to one day become first choice players. This is how you create healthy competition within the squad and make sure players are always striving to be their best.
Our backup CBs and the departing Varane were worse than average, Tosin was above average this season and Fulham conceded just 3 more goals than us despite Tosin being surrounded by a keeper, CB partner and RB worse than our players. Leftback was good in Robinson though.
 

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Our backup CBs and the departing Varane were worse than average, Tosin was above average this season and Fulham conceded just 3 more goals than us despite Tosin being surrounded by a keeper, CB partner and RB worse than our players. Leftback was good in Robinson though.
did you just imply that he's a better defender than Varane? surely you didn't
 

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did you just imply that he's a better defender than Varane? surely you didn't
Varane had 3 or so good games. He's also good at clearing the ball out of the box in general, but theres more to defending than just that. In every other way he was poor and has been since he arrived.
 

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Of course Chelsea are in for him. Free agent, his salary will be huge. However, there's no guarantee he will succeed. If he flops and he sits on a huge contract, we can't sell him off. Thanks but no thanks. Chelsea can have him.
Define huge

Say £150k a week ( even with signing in fee seems unlikely) that’s what £7.5 million a season or circa £45 million over the term of his 6 year contract.
Let’s say you go for a player who costs £25 million and £100k a week. Over just five years that’s £50 million.
Is there a guarantee that because you pay £25 million that player will not be a flop ?
The simple reality is every player signing a deal be it on a free or with a fee involved comes at a risk
 

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Define huge

Say £150k a week ( even with signing in fee seems unlikely) that’s what £7.5 million a season or circa £45 million over the term of his 6 year contract.
Let’s say you go for a player who costs £25 million and £100k a week. Over just five years that’s £50 million.
Is there a guarantee that because you pay £25 million that player will not be a flop ?
The simple reality is every player signing a deal be it on a free or with a fee involved comes at a risk
I think his point is in resale value, Lets say he turns out to be not so good and you want to move him on. It's much easier to move a player on 100k a week than 150k a week. Of course you'll end up saving on the whole if its a free transfer and it turns out he's a success.

You should trust United fans on this, it's a lot harder to move on players on high salaries, we have a lot of unfortunate experience with this issue over the last 5 years and continue to do so.
 

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Would be a good bench option. I think he is a bench warmer at chelsea too. But it makes sense to him to join the Blues. Their project is fancier and he is from London.
Don’t see him being a benchwarmer at all. Think he goes straight into our first XI on the right side and partnered with Colwill. Or if we play a back 3 he’ll be in the central Thiago Silva role with Colwill and Fofana either side of him.
 

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Did he miss games because of injuries? Just checked his stats and he started around 50% of the games for Fulham.
 

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Did he miss games because of injuries? Just checked his stats and he started around 50% of the games for Fulham.
According to transfermarkt he missed 10 league games through injury this season. He was left on bench as an unused sub for 2 games and then for some reason left out of the squad completely for the final 4 games of the season.
 

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Don’t see him being a benchwarmer at all. Think he goes straight into our first XI on the right side and partnered with Colwill. Or if we play a back 3 he’ll be in the central Thiago Silva role with Colwill and Fofana either side of him.
I know it's hard to replace Silva as is but Aradabioyo is pretty significant downgrade as a starter.
 

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According to transfermarkt he missed 10 league games through injury this season. He was left on bench as an unused sub for 2 games and then for some reason left out of the squad completely for the final 4 games of the season.
Maybe Fulham didn't want to give him mins as he was leaving.
 

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I know it's hard to replace Silva as is but Aradabioyo is pretty significant downgrade as a starter.
Anyone is a big downgrade, tbf. I just don’t know if the club want to spend the huge money it would take to sign one of these super highly rated young CB’s.

Tosin would give us a 26/27 year old PL ready guy who can slot straight in and not have the huge pressure of a giant transfer fee hanging over him.
 
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